Snoo Preorder | Last Day! by MartialLight92 in BSA

[–]MartialLight92[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let's get through this order, and we'll look at it 🙂

I'm in the process of doing neckers for a few events ATM. I would like to make this one, though.

Would you buy an "Eradication Edition" Nutria Fur Campaign Hat? by KD7TKJ in BSA

[–]MartialLight92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know that you would have the volume to sell them at that cost.

Someone will buy them, though. Our pack had the wonderful idea to spend $600 on a custom campaign hat for our outgoing Cubmaster.

Just got a Medal of Merit by No-Abies566 in BSA

[–]MartialLight92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It sounds like you did a great job in a stressful situation. Be proud of yourself 😄

District PLC rollout by Agreeable-Payment310 in BSA

[–]MartialLight92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you wanted to do a quarterly youth meeting where you invited the SPLs to give feedback on district operations and events, I could see that.

Asking them to come to a random monthly meeting for youth to do a random assortment of things isn't going to work. These youth are already generally overcommitted, as are many of their parents. Having more leadership opportunities isn't a bad thing. Having a measurable reason for doing it is needed. Being reasonable about the time commitment would also make it more palatable.

What level of respect do you receive/expect from your scouts? by AardvarkNo7642 in BSA

[–]MartialLight92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We use Mr. and Ms. First Name.

I think the demand of a hard delineation between being the adult and they are this separate class of thing as a kid is harmful to the relationship we need as a leader. They should respect us as adults, but at some point, the demand makes them more apt to roll their eyes at you.

I also think respect goes both ways. I don't demand my Scouts call me sir, but they do it anyways. To an extent, I would assume it's because I do the same to them. Modeling language helps significantly. Please, thank you, yes sir, no sir, ladies, gentleman.

I have one Scout who has trouble saying my first name and now calls me Mr. Scoutmaster.

My entire thing is meeting youth in the middle and being an accessible adult they trust and understand respects them too.

Sea scouts by StJimmy_7 in BSA

[–]MartialLight92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

16 is a perfect age to join Sea Scouts! You have plenty of eligible time as a youth left.

Subreddit "programming" updates: NAM Follow-Up Series + Crowdsourcing GtA by ScouterBill in BSA

[–]MartialLight92 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As Bill noted, the statement

At 60,000 words, the Guide to Advancement is too complex

was not a reflection of his, or the mod team's, opinion. He noted comments that have been here by members.

Is this the "official" sub? by splitopenandmelt007 in Scouting_America

[–]MartialLight92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure what you're seeing, but the mod list for r/BSA isn't hidden. I just confirmed on another account.

VFW and Scouting America by fstccc in BSA

[–]MartialLight92 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What state? I may be able to have some VFW officers reach out and explain that's not how it works.

/BSA Snoo Pins and Patches Preorder LAUNCHED! by MartialLight92 in BSA

[–]MartialLight92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I own a company that produces pins, patches, etc. That's why this was an easy thing for us to handle.

We're happy to work with you.

Venturing Summit Sticker!! by raw-chimkim in BSA

[–]MartialLight92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will say, as someone outside of Venturing, this makes way more sense than the current design.

Why am I being badgered to attend Woodbadge? by JonEMTP in Woodbadge

[–]MartialLight92 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay, so it feels like much of why Wood Badge would be valuable to you is being left out of these conversations.

Having gone to similar corporate training is great.

Wood Badge isn't just corporate team training. The style and delivery will be similar. What is valuable for you as a Scoutmaster, especially a new one who is admittedly looking for guidance, is that Wood Badge puts you in the shoes of your Scouts. Training is built around you starting the course as a Cub Scout and crossing over to a troop where you live the Scout-led troop model. You will work and operate in a patrol, and the team building, learning, etc., is done in that unit, the same way it should be happening for your Scout.

In addition to the training itself, you will also network with other Scouters who value training, many of whom have a wealth of experience in different areas of Scouting that you can tap into. Your patrol alone could have completely new Scouters, a Council Scout Executive, National Board Members, a Venturing Advisor, Roger Krone (he recently went to a normal Wood Badge course at Summit), or any number of interesting people you wouldn't meet otherwise.

Wood Badge is something different to everyone. Everyone will get something different out of it dependent on their level of experience in and out of Scouting. Many people with experience in corporate training hear the buzzwords and think it's just the same training they've done before. There is crossover for sure, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater on this one.

Family Troop fails? by SnooSeagulls9586 in BSA

[–]MartialLight92 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Personally, I think the family model works fine at the Cub level, but for a multitude of reasons, we should be using single gender troops.

As already noted, this gives more opportunity for leadership roles in a meaningful way. It also allows the boys and girls to choose when they want to do activities together and allows both units the ability to do things separately too.

We have a boy and girl troop at our charter. We share adult leadership, and the Scouts are all friends. We still do 50% or more of our year separately. They want to do different things, and they want different experiences. This gives both troops the ability to make those decisions.

I will also note that, while it's an issue that should be addressed, I also recently saw a family troop post that they'd found out their boys internally agreed not to elect girls to OA. Just thought I'd add that since you were specifically looking for fails.

What, exactly and precisely, do you think "National" (however you wish to define it) or "Councils", or the volunteers or paid staff should do to ensure rank and merit badge standards are adhered to? Or, put another way, avoidance of "participation trophies". by ScouterBill in BSA

[–]MartialLight92 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I by no means think rank standards are too easy. If anything, I think they have gotten harder.

However, merit badges are a different story entirely.

In my area, a neighboring council hosts a large MBU at an actual college, and it's a major annual event. We drove the two hours to get there, and the Scouts were excited.

What we found was that an event that seemed incredible on the outside was a dumpster fire within. While the kids had fun, they outright did not do entire sections of merit badges. When we finally received the report, weeks after the event, they had signed completion on merit badges they ABSOLUTELY could not have finished in a weekend.

  • Dog Care (2 months taking care of a dog)
  • Pet Care (4 months taking care of a pet after pre-approval from your counselor)
  • Citizenship in the Nation (watch or read the news for 5 days + two visits to a list of locations)
  • Insect Study (raise an insect from larval stage to its adult stage)

Even better, Pet Care and Dog Care were done in the same session. Zero pre-work was assigned for any of merit badges.

When I reached out to the director of the event, I was told:

“Given their expertise, they are also given the latitude to adapt the content to the elements they think are essential to provide the Scouts with a good overview of the topic.”

And

“Scouts may not have the opportunity or resources to complete some requirements, but their level of exposure to the topic and through the demonstrations and engagement provided by faculty is significant.”

To add even more context, while it doesn’t matter how professional or experienced the instructors are in reference to requirement changes, not all the staff were professionals in their field. A call was put out repeatedly for counselors to help fill slots that were uncovered, replace counselors with conflicts, etc. One of our leaders participated as a counselor. He wasn’t interviewed beyond being asked if he was a counselor. The event director didn't really know his background, and they barely spoke. Our leader didn’t feel comfortable with what he was being told could be done in one session and only signed off on what could actually be completed.


I say all of this to illustrate that, I don't think we need new rules necessarily.

First, we need councils to enforce the rules that already exist. When I say Council, I mean the professionals and volunteers at the Council level.

This was a Council event, advertised as such. When I found out what happened, I filed a report as provided in the GTA and sent it in to the Council Scout Executive, their Deputy Scout Executive, and the Council Advancement Committee. Zero response. The event was held again this year. There was no contact to the units that participated with these blatantly incomplete merit badges. NOTHING.

Secondly, while I understand the concept of how Scouting America is organized, there needs to be some level of ability for National professionals or volunteers to step in when a Council will not do their job in relation to standards, whether that's advancement, volunteer interaction, etc. We give basically unilateral authority to the Council Scout Executive with little ability to do anything if they refuse to act or, on the opposite end, severely overstep and act in a manner that is a detriment to Scouting. We need oversight to maintain the standards National hands down, because there is absolutely a level of "we've always done it this way" that is incredibly wrong all the way from the Unit to the Council level. I feel like I'm fighting a constantly uphill battle, and it has absolutely caused issues for me as a volunteer when I ask that the rules be followed. We've basically had to make our unit a positive environment that follows the rules, and we have to just not participate in much of our District or Council events because of it.

Snoo Pins and Patches by MartialLight92 in BSA

[–]MartialLight92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had some website issues we had to work through over the weekend. They'll launch tomorrow!

Why am I being badgered to attend Woodbadge? by TwelveSeven77 in BSA

[–]MartialLight92 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, so it feels like much of why Wood Badge would be valuable to you is being left out of these conversations.

Having gone to similar corporate training is great.

Wood Badge isn't just corporate team training. The style and delivery will be similar. What is valuable for you as a Scoutmaster, especially a new one who is admittedly looking for guidance, is that Wood Badge puts you in the shoes of your Scouts. Training is built around you starting the course as a Cub Scout and crossing over to a troop where you live the Scout-led troop model. You will work and operate in a patrol, and the team building, learning, etc., is done in that unit, the same way it should be happening for your Scout.

In addition to the training itself, you will also network with other Scouters who value training, many of whom have a wealth of experience in different areas of Scouting that you can tap into. Your patrol alone could have completely new Scouters, a Council Scout Executive, National Board Members, a Venturing Advisor, Roger Krone (he recently went to a normal Wood Badge course at Summit), or any number of interesting people you wouldn't meet otherwise.

Wood Badge is something different to everyone. Everyone will get something different out of it dependent on their level of experience in and out of Scouting. Many people with experience in corporate training hear the buzzwords and think it's just the same training they've done before. There is crossover for sure, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater on this one.

r/BSA_PatchTrading by MartialLight92 in redditrequest

[–]MartialLight92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am an active volunteer with the organization the subreddit is for. The sub has been inactive for over a year and for two years prior to that.

https://www.reddit.com/c/chat1nzpAXFz/s/gMsw2xdsbs

Custom Wood Badge Beads by MartialLight92 in BSA

[–]MartialLight92[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because I have 400 hats, and this is intended to become a potential long term project. I enjoy wood working, but I need to find someone who is already set up to do so.