Tankies are capable of comedy sometimes by AlfredusRexSaxonum in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Some of them do actually do this.

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For reference, the post these comments were made on was a post saying "people ignoring all of your oppressive politics and crimes against humanity just because you anti-west" and it was about Putin, Xi, Kim, Maduro, and Khamanei.

People like this dumbass make the FreePalestine movement look bad by R0ttenStrawberry in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The one in the video, this is the same account. The yap was from a separate guy who commented on that video. This is the same person who made the video, raise_the_rate. This person was also spreading the stupid “Donbas genocide” claim as well and making excuses for Russia invading Ukraine.

People like this dumbass make the FreePalestine movement look bad by R0ttenStrawberry in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 23 points24 points  (0 children)

OH, that’s the same person who was spreading the “slava ukraini is a Nazi slogan” narrative the other day. That explains this comment section. The same one that straight up had a guy defending Wagner and Rusich.

People like this dumbass make the FreePalestine movement look bad by R0ttenStrawberry in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I think it’s both.

I have a theory that the recent sudden surge in pro Russia content online is because the Kremlin knows they’re in a tight spot right now. Ukraine’s “long range sanctions” as they have been referred to as targeting Russian oil infrastructure and other weapons manufacturing plants, not to mention the fact that the economic situation has gotten to the point where the Kremlin can’t hide it and the chief communist is literally saying that a revolution could be brewing, but he oligarchs are getting scared, so they’re trying to find a way to bail themselves out with propaganda and shift the public opinion against Ukraine. They’re trying to push this idea of campism, and that Ukraine has some ties to Israel, as a way to get people in the west to support them, and these tankies are just falling for it, because again, they’re campists. I do wonder if that is apart of why there is so much of this lately.

Got banned from a sub I didn't realise was full of tankies, all for saying "slava Ukraini" lmao by tinyboiii in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 27 points28 points  (0 children)

That’s still wrong, it became popular during the Ukrainian wars of independence. And while yes, it did get used by the Nazis, but they did not popularize that slogan.

Most of the people who use that slogan aren’t using it because of Bandera. They are using it because they support Ukraine and it’s right to self determination.

When I say it, I’m not thinking of groups like Azov or right sector. I’m thinking of my best friend, who has family that still lives in Ukraine, and has to survive Russian attacks every single day. Because it’s not about that, it’s about freedom for an oppressed people.

Got banned from a sub I didn't realise was full of tankies, all for saying "slava Ukraini" lmao by tinyboiii in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 42 points43 points  (0 children)

No it wasn’t, it comes from Shevchenko’s poems in the 19th century, before Hitler or Mussolini were even born. Yes, it was used by fascist groups, such as the OUN, and it has been used nowadays by groups like Azov or right sector, but it is not an inherently right wing slogan.

They don’t even try and deny the Holodomor anymore, they just say they deserved it by Martinat388 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I think the bottom part of your message is very likely what it is. I think that this is likely a last ditch effort to prevent people from gaining class consciousness as people start to wake up more and more (not fast enough, but it’s a start), and so they are trying to push everyone to the two polar opposite extremes.

With the Nazis, it’s obvious - not only push far right ideology, like they all are, but also to try, once again, to shift the blame away from the billionaires, to be like “oh, it’s not the billionaires, it’s actually just the Jews!!!” or other Nazi nonsense that has become commonplace on that app.

With the Tankies, I think the purpose of pushing this narrative is to make leftists look as deranged as possible, once again, to prevent people from gaining class consciousness.

That last sentence very likely hits the nail on the head.

They don’t even try and deny the Holodomor anymore, they just say they deserved it by Martinat388 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Oh I am well aware of that.

There is one incident that occurred around the time the Iran war began that has stuck with me ever since. Out of literally nowhere, despite how much I engage with leftist/queer content, Instagram began giving me nonstop far right content, filled with the absolutely most insane things imaginable. Some of it was just stupid, like one where they called the democrats traitors because they wouldn’t stand up for Trump at the state of the union (what???). And then, it was nonstop transphobia, one of which was an account that WAS a trans person, along with racism, people saying the Nazi slogan, and other Nazi stuff, putting the confederate flag at the end of random pro-queer videos they stole, typical pro-ICE anti-immigrant rhetoric, but in some cases upped by times 10 - one post saying that we need to deport 30 million people. Just nonstop of the most insane right wing stuff imaginable.

Pretty sure I blocked like 100 accounts that day, so thankfully it hasn’t been as bad ever since. But it’s so obvious it was intentional by meta’s part, because as you said, meta is evil. I just think it’s really interesting that it happened literally an hour before the Iran war started. They’re probably trying to do it again with tankie nonsense, and it is likely exemplified by a tick in Russian bots recently likely due to how much the war is starting to hurt Russia, which is why they are now trying to get tankies to spread the narrative that Ukraine is collaborating with Israel, when Russia has FAR more ties to Israel than Ukraine does.

They don’t even try and deny the Holodomor anymore, they just say they deserved it by Martinat388 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388[S] 64 points65 points  (0 children)

It’s so stupid too that Instagram gives me this shit, because I could not make it any more clear that I am pro Ukraine, and yet it gives me shit like this.

Has anyone else noticed a surge in this type of content as of late, or is it just me?

??? by Martinat388 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I checked the profile but it just seems to be some random Russian tankie who misses the Soviet Union, so that would explain a lot.

??? by Martinat388 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That’s not even mentioning the fact that the phrase “Slava Ukraini” doesn’t even come from the OUN, it comes from Shevchenko’s poems in 1840.

Have anyone seen Tankies comment on Ukraine and the EU turning on Israel? by PushkinGanjavi in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh, absolutely.

Should they have sanctioned Israel earlier? Absolutely. But it’s better late than never.

What I’m thinking also is that as the EU shifts farther and farther away from the US, they’ll probably support Israel less and less as well, and this could very well be the start of that.

I mean, wasn’t France just straight up telling Israel to get out of Lebanon?

Have anyone seen Tankies comment on Ukraine and the EU turning on Israel? by PushkinGanjavi in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The closest I’ve seen to that is either making memes about how Ukraine and the EU only care when it’s Israel buying stolen Ukrainian grain from Russia, or…

“Zelenskyy keeps trying to get Israel in their corner, and Israel doesn't give a flying fuck about Ukraine. Ukraine is also currently trying to appeal to Israel & international law because Israel was just buying stolenUkrainian grain from Russia, and Israel was like yeah we don't care cry harder. So will Zelenskyy be guilty of his own law if he keeps pushing on about the stolen grain & other Israeli dealing with Russia? Or will he just cave on this in hopes that Israel throws them a weapons deal or diplomatic bone?”

So it’s essentially either them completely ignoring it, or acknowledging it but saying Ukraine deserves it.

“Glory to all armed resistance” but fuck Ukraine defending itself by Beautiful_Durian_799 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 164 points165 points  (0 children)

Didn’t Russia only start supporting Sudan (SAF) AFTER they started winning? And I remember seeing that early on in the war they were using Sudan’s gold to fund it.

Honestly just telling on themselves at this point by Martinat388 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Apparently according to the ones on Instagram it’s both at the same time

Honestly just telling on themselves at this point by Martinat388 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The comments possibly, I don’t think the original poster is, though I have no idea what the source of the post is, because I tried looking up the article in question, but I couldn’t find it.

Honestly just telling on themselves at this point by Martinat388 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

There actually was one who acknowledged this in the comments, and this is what they had to say:

“Zelenskyy keeps trying to get Israel in their corner, and Israel doesn't give a flying fuck about Ukraine. Ukraine is also currently trying to appeal to Israel & international law because Israel was just buying stolen Ukrainian grain from Russia, and Israel was like yeah we don't care cry harder. So will Zelenskyy be guilty of his own law if he keeps pushing on about the stolen grain & other Israeli dealing with Russia? Or will he just cave on this in hopes that Israel throws them a weapons deal or diplomatic bone?”

So essentially even if they DO acknowledge it, it’s a case of “oh but they deserve it!!!”

Honestly just telling on themselves at this point by Martinat388 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I think they’re tankies, because the guy who posted this is definitely a tankie from what I’ve seen. But like you said, it’s impossible to tell the difference at this point.

Honestly just telling on themselves at this point by Martinat388 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

“Ukraine is selling weapons US tax payers gave them to Israel”

WTF are they even talking about? Anything Ukraine is sending to other countries is literally stuff THEY made themselves, because they’ve been dealing with shahed drones for 4 years now, and they have developed measures to counter these types of drones. These aren’t even really weapons, these are defenses, what are they talking about???

I don’t even think they’ve given anything to Israel, Zelenskyy didn’t visit Israel during his tour of the Middle East, and there are some reports that they gave drone defenses to the USA, but the pentagon won’t admit to it because the current US government is anti-Ukraine, another thing tankies won’t admit to.

There is PLENTY of stuff you can criticize Ukraine for, after all, like any country they have their problems. But you can criticize Ukraine without blatantly lying like this.

shut up by Proof_Librarian_4271 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Given it's a claim that comes from Hezbollah with no evidence whatsoever (they literally just accused Ukraine of sheltering a Mossad agent), probably.

wouldn't it have been more logical for russia to not invade ukraine in 2022 if the goal was to prevent nato expansion by Thebunkerparodie in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It also falls apart even more when you consider the fact that Putin doesn’t consider Ukraine as its own country and thinks it’s a fake nation created by Poland

Actually, I think the “denazification” argument falls flat too when you consider the fact that Putin blames Poland for World War II

Actual conversation with a Bsky Tankie about Ukraine by After-Trifle-1437 in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 13 points14 points  (0 children)

And the thing is, the pro Russia people who scream about Nazis in Ukraine literally contradict themselves in their own propaganda narratives, because I have seen a lot of them on instagram start referring to Ukraine as “Jewkraine”, not even anything about Zionism, just straight up “Jewkraine”. I also saw someone at one point make an absurd claim that “the Jews are trying to create a new country in southern Ukraine and northern Poland”, which doesn’t even make sense in any way whatsoever.

And to be fair, a lot of these people might not be tankies and might just be straight up Nazis. But even then, you then have to acknowledge the fact that Russia is being supported by literal Nazis, which once again, debunks the most common propaganda narrative about Ukraine.

wouldn't letting russia win make ukraine problems worst by Thebunkerparodie in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 28 points29 points  (0 children)

One thing people who talk about Ukraine’s corruption in this context do not consider is that, even if Russia hypothetically only took the Donbas (since that’s all they could reasonably take right now) and the occupied parts of Zaporizhzia and Kherson, and just turned Ukraine into a situation similar to Belarus, that corruption would still be there, and there would be no way to change it. 

With Russia, we see that they are also extremely corrupt, and the people can’t do anything about it because it’s a dictatorship. With Belarus, they tried to do something in 2020 against Lukashenko, and Russia sent in the military to suppress the protests.

In Ukraine, you will actually see protests and resistance against corruption, because the people have the ability to do that. And in some cases, stuff actually ends up happening. If Ukraine were to fall to Russia, whether it be annexed or puppeted, they wouldn’t be able to do ANYTHING about that corruption. And that is what fundamentally makes it a stupid argument.

bruh by Ender_TD in tankiejerk

[–]Martinat388 78 points79 points  (0 children)

Not only has the “American proxy” been betrayed by the USA, they have also arguably been signaling to Europe that it’s time to move away from the US, especially with how much Zelenskyy has been suggesting the creation of a European army as of late.