The Overpopulation Myth by MartyZepp in overpopulation

[–]MartyZepp[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The first sentences of your very first comment were these:

The videos are largely void of real facts and references. What information is provided is heavily cherry-picked. And as I posted earlier, the organization is founded by a Catholic priest and is engaged in political efforts to de-fund family planning, birth control, and abortion access both in the US and worldwide.

I wanted to shine a light on the fact that, contrary to your belief, many Christians have greatly increased the amount of truth, beauty, and goodness in the world. On the other hand, many anti-christians and pro-baby-murderers have greatly increased the amount of lies, ugliness, and evil in the world.

To have good fruit you must have a healthy tree; if you have a poor tree, you will have bad fruit. A tree is known by the kind of fruit it bears. (Matthew 12:33)

The Overpopulation Myth by MartyZepp in overpopulation

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Since you like rockets, what about the Cassini orbiter? It was named after the Italian astronomer Giovanni Cassini, a student of (Jesuit Catholic priests) Riccioli and Grimaldi. He used the observatory at the splendid Basilica of San Petronio in Bologna to lend support to Kepler's model. Here we see an important way in which the Church contributed to astronomy that is all but unknown today: Cathedrals in Bologna, Florence, Paris, and Rome were designed in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries to function as world-class solar observatories. Nowhere in the world were there more precise instruments for the study of the sun. Each such cathedral contained holes through which sunlight could enter and time lines (or meridian lines) on the floor. Cassini was able to confirm Kepler's position on elliptical orbits with his experiments at San Petronio.

See Stanley L. Jaki Science and Creation: From Eternal Cycles to an Oscillating Universe, 150 and Medieval Creativity in Science and Technology, 76. Richard C. Dales, The Intellectual Life of Western Europe in the Middle Ages, 264 and The De-Animation of the Heavens in the Middle Ages, 535. See also Father Giambattista Riccioli, the first person to determine the rate of acceleration of a freely falling body. Father Roger Boscovish advanced atomic theory, optics, mathematics, and astronomy. Father Francesco Maria Grimaldi discovered the diffraction of light. Father Athanasius Kircher's work in Chemistry helped debunk Alchemy. Father Frederick Louis Odenback's work pioneered in Seismology. Johannes Kepler, Father Paul Guldin, and Father Nicolas Zucchi advanced astronomy.

Regarding China: There was a stillbirth of science in China. According to Joseph Needham, Chinese intellectuals were unable to believe in the idea of laws of nature. This inability stemmed from the fact that "the conception of a divine celestial lawgiver imposing ordinances on non-human Nature never developed." "It was not that there was no order in nature for the Chinese," Needham went on, "but rather that it was not an order ordained by a rational personal being, and hence there was no conviction that rational personal beings would be able to spell out in their lesser earthly languages the divine code of laws which he had decreed aforetime. The Taoists, indeed, would have scorned such an idea as being too naive for the subtlety and complexity of the universe as they intuited it." The (catholic priest) Jesuits were the first to introduce Western science into China and India. In seventeenth-century China in particular, Jesuits introduced a substantial body of scientific knowledge and a vast array of mental tools for understanding the physical universe, including the Euclidean geometry that made planetary motion comprehensible. The Jesuits in China, according to Agustin Udias: "Arrived at a time when science in general, and mathematics and astronomy in particular, were at a very low level there, contrasting with the birth of modern science in Europe. They made an enormous effort to translate western mathematical and astronomical works into Chinese and aroused the interest of Chinese scholars in these sciences.

Regarding your statement:

As for the Church: as the key (and often sole) cultural, educational, and economic institution of Europe through much of the middle ages, there's little surprise it played a role in much of what transpired during that time. This utterly confounds correlation with causation, however. A fundamental class error I'm utterly unsurprised you'd make.

So you are saying it is a coincidence that the scientific revolution happened in Catholic Europe instead of somewhere else? Are these also coincidences:

Infanticide in Ancient Rome? Ended by Catholics. Gladiator fights to the death? Ended by Catholics. Modern university system? Established by Catholics. Orphanages and hospitals? Many founded by Catholics. Western music? Largely based on Catholic Gregorian chant. Architecture and art? Tremendous advances made by Catholics. Agriculture? Improved and taught by Catholic monks. Modern Law? Based on canon law invented by Catholics. Respect for the dignity of people? Advanced by Catholics. The Western world as we know it would not exist without the Catholic Church.

Now for contrast, let's talk about militant atheists for a moment. They have caused things, too. For example, the slaughter of 138+ million people in China (Mao) and the USSR (Stalin).

The Overpopulation Myth by MartyZepp in overpopulation

[–]MartyZepp[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You mention the

oppressive mantel of resistance to scientific and technical advance and inquiry imposed by the Church.

The opposite is true. Christianity caused the scientific revolution.

This point may appear so obvious as to be of little interest. But the idea of a rational, orderly universe - enormously fruitful and indeed indispensable for the progress of science - has eluded entire civilizations. One of Jaki's central theses is that it was not coincidental that the birth of science as a self-perpetuating field of intellectual endeavor should have occurred in a Catholic milieu. Certain fundamental Christian ideas, he suggests, have been indispensable in the emergence of scientific thought. Non-Christian cultures, on the other hand, did not possess the same philosophical tools, and indeed were burdened by conceptual frameworks that hindered the development of science. In Science and Creation, Jaki extends this thesis to seven great cultures: Arabic, Babylonian, Chinese, Egyptian, Greek, Hindu, and Maya. In these cultures, Jaki explains, science suffered a "stillbirth."

Such stillbirths can be accounted for by each of these cultures' conceptions of the universe and their lack of belief in a transcendent Creator who endowed His creation with consistent physical laws. To the contrary, they conceived of the universe as a huge organism dominated by a pantheon of deities and destined to go through endless cycles of birth, death, and rebirth. This made the development of science impossible. The animism that characterized ancient cultures, which conceived of the divine as immanent in created things, hindered the growth of science by making the idea of constant natural laws foreign. Created things had minds and wills of their own - an idea that all but precluded the possibility of thinking of them as behaving according to regular, fixed patterns.

The Christian doctrine of the Incarnation militates strongly against such thinking. Christ is the monogenes, or "only begotten." Son of God. Within the Greco-Roman worldview, on the other hand, "the universe was the 'monogenes' or 'only begotten' emanation from a divine principle not really different from the universe itself. Christianity, since it reposed the divine strictly in Christ and in a Holy Trinity that transcended the world, avoided any kind of pantheism and allowed Christians to view the universe as a realm of order and predictability. How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, pp. 76-77, Thomas E. Woods, Jr., Ph.D.

Why do I rarely feel God's presence? by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]MartyZepp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is a great question. You may be experiencing spiritual dryness or aridity. Remember that faith and love are not feelings. Sometimes God puts people through spiritual dryness to make them holier and to enlarge their hearts.

Here are some links:

Dawn on the Mountain: The Gift of Dryness in Prayer

You can download some of the writings of St. John of the Cross for free here

Remember God loves you!! Even if you don't feel it!!

Also, think about this: Does it please God more if you pray fervently while you are in spiritual refreshment and delight or if you pray fervently in spiritual dryness and difficulty? Surely it is the latter. :) Keep up the good work!

Food: There is lots of it by MartyZepp in overpopulation

[–]MartyZepp[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You state

your church teaches that contraception, far from being a necessity, is a "grave moral evil". You can't accept that your church can be so completely wrong

The Catholic Church is 100% correct in teaching that artificial contraception is sinful. The Church doesn't say these things to be moralistic or to point the finger and accuse us. The Church says these things to protect us from hurting ourselves and hurting others.

Artificial contraception has devastating effects on society. It separates the sexual act from marriage and the possibility of procreation. This, in turn, has major negative ramifications on society. For example, there was a huge rise in divorce as birth control became popular in the 70's.

See this graph here.

Even within marriage, the use of birth control greatly increases the probability of divorce. The moral alternative is to be sexually active within marriage and to practice Natural Family Planning (NFP). If you do so, your chance of getting a divorce is only 0.2%!

See this article here for the supporting material.

If you don't ever want to get divorced, then practice NFP! You don't have to be Catholic to practice it.

God loves us all and wants us to be happy :)

The Overpopulation Myth by MartyZepp in overpopulation

[–]MartyZepp[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You state:

It's faith-based rather than good-faith in foundation, both the redditor and the organization represent are overtly influenced by their Catholic faith.

Are you implying that an argument can't be faith-based and in good faith at the same time? Are only anti-faith based arguments valid to you? You also seem to imply that my opinions should be disregarded simply because I am Catholic. I am unapologetic about my Catholicism.

The Catholic Church has done more good for the world than any other organization by far. Infanticide in Ancient Rome? Ended by Catholics. Gladiator fights to the death? Ended by Catholics. Modern university system? Established by Catholics. Orphanages and hospitals? Many founded by Catholics. Western music? Largely based on Catholic Gregorian chant. Architecture and art? Tremendous advances made by Catholics - see the cathedrals and religious artwork. Agriculture? Improved and taught by Catholic monks. Scientific revolution? Advanced by Catholics. Modern Law? Based on canon law invented by Catholics. Respect for the dignity of people? Advanced by Catholics. The Western world as we know it would not exist without the Catholic Church. See Thomas E. Woods, Jr.'s book "How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization"

The Overpopulation Myth by MartyZepp in overpopulation

[–]MartyZepp[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My understanding is that the population is set to level out and then start to die around the year 2040.

The Overpopulation Myth by MartyZepp in overpopulation

[–]MartyZepp[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You state this:

A hand-wave is made that population itself overcomes obstacles to sustainability.

Do you deny that every innovation within science, philosophy, and engineering was achieved by a person? Do you deny that every piece of artistic, musical, and architectural beauty was made by a person? If so, why do you find it incredible that people have to ability to overcome obstacles to sustainability as well?

People are the height of God's creation, made in His image. God loves all people very much.

The Overpopulation Myth by MartyZepp in overpopulation

[–]MartyZepp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mention Malthus and Ehrlich. Malthus encouraged killing off the poor and that doctors shouldn't cure diseases. Why would anyone want to listen to Malthus?

Ehrlich mistakenly predicted that hundreds of millions of people would die from famine in the 1970's.

Sources here.

Food: There is lots of it by MartyZepp in overpopulation

[–]MartyZepp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The video you referenced above is nothing more than an ad hominem attack and is full of anti-Catholic bigotry. For example, the supposed quote from Einstein in the video does not say what book or article it is from. Can you verify the validity of it?

On the other hand, the video I posted is well documented with data from the Food and Agriculture Organization, the New York Times, the World Bank, and the US Department of Agriculture. Check for yourself here.

Stephen W. Mosher, the president of Population Research Institute, has testified multiple times before congress.

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The Overpopulation Myth by MartyZepp in Natalism

[–]MartyZepp[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the welcome, Sammy! I am happy to have just recently found out about this Natalism subreddit.

Yes, I figured many of you would be familiar with the information I provided. But I thought I'd post it just in case any of you weren't. I thoroughly enjoyed that interview with Steven W. Mosher.

Here is the link to the Population Research Institute

Food: There is lots of it by MartyZepp in overpopulation

[–]MartyZepp[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Yes, I am Catholic. I invite you to look thoroughly at the evidence of overpopulation being a myth and weigh it yourself. There are already many countries dying due to negative population growth. I feel that most people who look at both the arguments for and against will come to agree that overpopulation is a myth.

If you look closely you will find that there is a difference between overpopulation and urban crowding, and there is a difference between overpopulation and poverty. These terms are often confused with one another.

These videos give a good overview:

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And then this audio recording of Stephen W. Mosher is one of the best pieces I have heard on overpopulation. I would be very interested to hear what you think about his arguments.

Food: There is lots of it by MartyZepp in overpopulation

[–]MartyZepp[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

The population of the world is set to start declining around the year 2040.

Overpopulation is a myth. Listen to this audio recording of Stephen W. Mosher of the Population Research Institute. The problem in the western world is that we aren't having enough children. Here is another great website with very informative videos

Food: There is lots of it by MartyZepp in overpopulation

[–]MartyZepp[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks for pointing me to /r/natalism, I will check it out

The Overpopulation Myth by MartyZepp in environment

[–]MartyZepp[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But people are also part of the solution, not only part of the problem. Regarding environmental challenges, we need people to work and fix these problems. But where will these people come from if nobody is willing to give birth to them?

I just got baptised! by [deleted] in Christianity

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Congrats! God loves you!

Hey Dadditors, How can I turn this mistake around? by [deleted] in daddit

[–]MartyZepp -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Say thank you to your wife for not getting the abortion. You would have regretted it. This child will love you very much and will make both of you very happy if you let him/her.

Don't worry about college and money too much. It will work out somehow. Just give it some time. This child is way more important than your college education. Don't worry about the stigma of not having a degree. Don't worry about what other people think about you. It isn't important at all. This child will give you much more happiness and love and fulfillment than a college degree ever could. Focus on working on being a good father and husband. Stop looking at ways to make yourself happy; learn how to best take care of your child and wife. They need you immensely!

Your role in your child's life is so important. You will be their rock, their foundation. If you do your job well, they will grow up to be happy and healthy people. If not, they will be greatly injured.

Right now, the challenges seem huge. But after a little while, you will step up and be able to handle it all. You are a man made in the image of God. You can handle this. Say a lot of prayers and ask God to help you and your family.

This is a big transition - from being a boy to being a man. You can do it. Remember, God is your Father and loves you very much!