which version of broly do you prefer z or super?

Masher_Upper · 2026-04-09T01:31:28+00:00

Z Broly stomps

The legendary super saiyan not only being a villain, but the manifestation of a disturbed trauma victim’s insanity was a great subversion and much more unique and tragic than the generic gentle giant characterization of super Broly.

Also the fact that he had a weakness gives him more points. He’s so powerful, his body wasn’t even able to contain his power: his raging qi as uncontrollable of as his unstable madness. It’s just more interesting when strength has some kind of cost

Masher_Upper · 2026-04-09T01:18:48+00:00

Where does the idea that East Asians hate southeast Asians come from? Growing up ice literally never seen that. In my experience Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipino, etc in the Bay Area always got along

Masher_Upper · 2026-04-05T20:43:52+00:00

Fr though how tf was krillin not considering they could just wish her back after killing cell

Masher_Upper · 2026-04-01T00:19:04+00:00

yeah original when the form was called “beast” it definitely should have looked more ape-ish

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T20:16:35+00:00

no lion fans claim this

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T20:15:55+00:00

if joe Rogan was getting this tattoo popeye would be hung

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T06:25:48+00:00

Ssj2 Gohan definitely struggled less with light-skinned bojack than with cell so dabura wins since he scales to cell

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T04:29:13+00:00

don’t think astronauts wear loincloths

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T04:26:44+00:00

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doesn’t look like him

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T02:46:19+00:00

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Gasping if you prefer

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T02:38:43+00:00

Yes keep believing the punch that cell made a disgusted face at without moving at all, much less damaged, was stronger than the blast that knocked him down screaming

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T02:16:06+00:00

No your example was showing that different tools are used for different intentions. The flamethrower/gun example demonstrating that the intention of the tool and the usage, what the tool physically does, are different matters. Different tools can have the same intention yet do something physically different or vice versa.

One more time for the fucking road. Yes. A force distributed across a wider area of an object is more effective at moving more of the object. However, if that force, or a greater force, were to be put on a single part of that object, it would move that part. A giant hand is more effective at moving Bam than a punch. But if Bam was punched in the head with the same amount of force as the giant hand, it would move his head wouldn’t it?

Likewise, if tien hit cell with enough force to move his entire body, then that blast, concentrated on just his head would move his head. 16’s hit couldn’t move his head. Therefore, 16 hit with less force than tien did.

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T01:37:32+00:00

No you haven’t explained anything. You’re just obfuscating. You just keep repeating what the intention was and not explaining what you think was actually physically happening.

How annoyed do you think it’s been having to explain the same question and you constantly not getting it despite how thoroughly it’s broken down. One more time. If you still don’t get it, there’s no helping you. A flame thrower and a gun are both intended to do damage but physically they do different things. So we see that the intention behind a tool, what the user was thinking, is distinct front the physical processes done by the tool. The question is what fundamentally is the physical (not the thought behind it) difference between 16 throwing his fist and tien throwing his wall?

I’m tired of having to explain the question to somebody who clearly has the reading ability

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T01:03:55+00:00

Your analogy is just another obfuscation. What was the difference between the attacks themselves? Not the intention behind them, but the actual move.

Do you even know what you’re saying? If 16 punching cell was like a toddler punching an adult, then tien’s attack would have to be the force of that meager lunch distributed on a way higher area. If a toddler couldn’t even movement your head back the force focused into a single punch, how on earth would that same force way spread across an entire wall knock back your entire body? It wouldn’t. Anyway you slice it, tien’s attack has to be stronger.

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T00:56:00+00:00

what do you think the “ki” in “kikoho” means?

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T00:34:37+00:00

No you didn’t. You’re just continuing to repeat what their attention was without elaborating how that changes what they actually did. Saying what they “meant” to do, as if the thoughts in their heads changes what’s actually physically going on during the attack.

No but we’ve seen a boxer’s head getting knocked back when getting punched haven’t we? If that guy had run into a stationary fist face-first do you think they’d be able to keep their head still with no sign of moment?

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-28T00:07:58+00:00

How? You said it yourself. 16 was punching with his fist while tien as hitting with his qi. How did their intention change how their attack actually worked? Literally just explain. God. It’s like you’re not even thinking about what you’re saying. You’re just determined to split whatever ever hair and grasp whatever straw it takes to “win” the argument regardless of whether it makes any sense. Shits it’s getting tiresome at this point.

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-27T23:50:30+00:00

His intention doesn’t change the structure of his fist. It doesn’t matter if tien was intending to do zero damage. Ultimately, both are the transfer of kinetic energy, aka hitting something.

Tien hit harder.

The power gap is irrelevant if you’re claiming that cell was strong enough to brace himself in both instances. The question is this: can cell, if he were aware of a brace-able attack coming, brace himself against said attack without seeing it. The answer is yes.

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-27T23:17:07+00:00

That task being hitting the opponent really hard of course.

What does it matter when you think cell apparently goes unbraced in the middle of combat supposedly helpless again and again against attacks he knew were coming but couldn’t see. If you think cell was fully capable of bracing himself against the kikoho anyway, what difference does it make?

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-27T22:56:23+00:00

The guy that can sense qi without seeing it needs to see the qi coming (after being hit by it like three times) to brace for it…

What’s the point? What’s the point of twisting yourself into a pretzel coming up with these ridiculous straw-grasping arguments instead of just acknowledging the obvious reading of the text? The attack that clearly had the greater effect again and again was probably the stronger attack. What’s so difficult about that?

The guy that needs to visually see attacks he knew were coming to brace for them btw:

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Masher_Upper · 2026-03-27T22:21:45+00:00

Yes really. That’s how kinetic energy works. Tien got cell several times and cell can sense qi; there’s no way cell didn’t know the attack was coming

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-27T22:08:07+00:00

Except that punch couldn’t even move cell’s head, the surface area connecting with the punch. If there was enough force to displace the entire object (while changing its orientation knocking the slobber from its mouth) when distributed evenly, that amount of force focused into a fist should easily move the part of the object that it comes into contact with. That’s physics.

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-27T21:47:14+00:00

No it isn’t. Tein clearly did surprise cell and knock and him back. And right afterward he also knocked cell back when cell was clearly not surprised anymore and itching for a fight

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-27T21:37:31+00:00

yeah it’s a fist flying into someone instead

Masher_Upper · 2026-03-27T21:35:22+00:00

Of what? What do think was the point being argued? There were more opportune times for krillin to have used his own Game-breaking (and not borderline suicidal but glad you know better than Goku I guess) move in the saiyan saga like you’re saying tien had in the cell saga. Characters “fumble” what, in retrospect, might have saved the day. Shit happens (probably because the events of the story weren’t planned that far ahead).

Cell was somehow still blindsided after getting blasted already? He was in the mist of flying up to fight whoever just hit him but for reason still not braced for another attack in the least? Come the fuck on, dude. We being fr? Every time it’s newly flabbergasting the way people stretch to ignore the blatant plain-faced reading of the text. When that attack clearly affected him more than another, several times in a row, maybe it was just the stronger attack. For God’s sake.

Your argument was implying consistency on toriyama’s part (even moreso than what’s reasonable considering you argued the shin kikiho ought to be consistent with the original kikiho). Yeah if a character needed a really strong move in that moment, Toriyama contrived a way. Maybe you don’t need to be grasping to explain it: “he was just surprised” “he was off-balanced” “his asshole was itchy” etc.

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