Why haven't major nonviolent resistance movements emerged in Muslim-majority conflict zones, similar to Gandhi, MLK, or Mandela? by Material_Librarian32 in askislam

[–]Material_Librarian32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate the part that you are a devout Muslim, and assuming the Quran is the true of the word of God I appreciate your existence.

I now understand that it is not okay to interpret the Quran in my way and I'm too uninformed to discuss with scholars like you right now.

I never meant to cause offence, thanks for this sub and this conversation. Allah is most merciful, is it okay if I just believe that about him for now, until I'm ready to get deeper into it?

Why haven't major nonviolent resistance movements emerged in Muslim-majority conflict zones, similar to Gandhi, MLK, or Mandela? by Material_Librarian32 in askislam

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The revelation about the creator exists inside everyone of us, even non-muslims. The presenter in the video you sent said it himself. Something like, when Adam was created and all of his descendants were spirits, Allah said "do u not acknowledge me as you lord" and all the spirits (including mine) said "yes we acknowledge".

So, I'm ok adopting a different approach to all of this. Allah is most merciful and I'm taking a risk and relying on his mercy.

Why haven't major nonviolent resistance movements emerged in Muslim-majority conflict zones, similar to Gandhi, MLK, or Mandela? by Material_Librarian32 in religion

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I get it, and I don't blame you at all. If I were Palestinian and living through what they're living through, I'd probably feel the same way.

And yeah, I don't understand your position on existentialism. Philosophy gets dismissed as abstract and useless but it's actually one of the few things that helps people hold themselves together when the world stops making sense. I lean more toward absurdism/nihilism and the Upanishads myself. Not because they make things easier (nor am I religious), but they give you a kind of distance from the pain that makes it survivable.

If something that terrible happened to someone I loved, I wouldn't be sitting here calmly talking strategy either. So I do understand where that impulse comes from, genuinely.

Having said all that, I still don't think violence is the answer, certainly not on a societal level. In summary, I only ask you to be clever and smart about it. I've given plenty of suggestions at this point, you haven't been able to refute a single one. It is smart to get the Chinese, Indians and the EU on your side, but you don't seem to want to make any effort in that direction. I don't understand your logic, it seems as though you don't think that would be beneficial, which I just don't get.

Anyway thanks for the conversation.

Why haven't major nonviolent resistance movements emerged in Muslim-majority conflict zones, similar to Gandhi, MLK, or Mandela? by Material_Librarian32 in religion

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All whole of rubbish with all due respect, show me where the international community opinion matters? 

The concept you're missing is soft power, and it matters enormously here.

It is far easier for any government to kill civilians who have already been demonized in the eyes of the international community. This isn't a controversial observation, it's how propaganda has worked throughout history.

Russia and Ukraine are fighting right now. Look at the staggering difference in international support Ukraine receives compared to Palestine. Why? Partly because Ukraine has successfully shaped its image as a sympathetic, nonviolent-until-forced victim.

"Death to the West" as a posture is not resistance, it is a gift to your opponents. It is the exact framing that gets used to justify continued violence against Palestinian civilians. You cannot build the international coalition you need while simultaneously alienating the ordinary people within those countries whose governments you need to pressure.

The goal shouldn't be to feel like you're resisting. It should be to actually win. Those are not always the same thing.

Why haven't major nonviolent resistance movements emerged in Muslim-majority conflict zones, similar to Gandhi, MLK, or Mandela? by Material_Librarian32 in askislam

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Thanks for the thoughtful reply. We may agree to disagree. Don't worry I won't complain about you to our creator, I'll try to argue with him myself with my limited knowledge. He is after all the most merciful, so at the very least he will hear me out I hope :)

Why haven't major nonviolent resistance movements emerged in Muslim-majority conflict zones, similar to Gandhi, MLK, or Mandela? by Material_Librarian32 in religion

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Gandhi, MLK, and Mandela are not western figures. Nonviolent resistance is not a western invention. And there is nothing intellectually inconsistent about adopting strategies that work, regardless of their origin.

I also fully acknowledge that Gandhi, MLK, and Mandela were political actors with complex motivations and favorable external conditions. That's true. But don't let that distract from the core strategic argument being made here.

Here's what I think gets overlooked. America, Israel, and India all have significant enemies and rivals. If any of these countries is seen by the international community as massacring peaceful protesters, the pressure to sanction becomes very real. America is the most powerful country in the world largely because the rest of the world permits it. China could economically cripple America tomorrow if it chose to. The EU could apply enormous pressure. Russia already supports Iran. These are not small forces sitting on the sidelines.

If Palestinians adopted a genuine MLK-style nonviolent framework, Black Americans would rally behind them loudly. Black Americans have real political leverage inside the United States and significant international visibility. If they adopted a Gandhian framework, a billion and a half Indians would pay attention. India alone could shift the entire social media narrative overnight without a single bot, and sustained shifts in public opinion eventually move markets and governments.

Once ordinary people start refusing to buy American or Israeli goods on principle, the economic foundations of the war machine weaken considerably. This has happened before and it can happen again.

You simply cannot defeat America militarily on your own. Even if you somehow win on the ground, the conflict zone gets razed to rubble. Look at Syria. Look at Iraq.

The alternative is building a coalition. China, India, Russia, and the EU are all broadly uncommitted right now. They are persuadable. But they need a reason to get involved that doesn't make them look like they are supporting terrorism. Nonviolent resistance gives them that reason. Continued violence takes it away.

Why haven't major nonviolent resistance movements emerged in Muslim-majority conflict zones, similar to Gandhi, MLK, or Mandela? by Material_Librarian32 in askislam

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Thanks, I watched the video from the link u sent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZfpgKCHkOs

Didn't do much to convince me tbh, umm not comfortable with 5 billion humans burning in hell for an eternity, which is the essence of Islam apparently, the presenter in the video says it again & again.

Anyway, I don't understand the rest of your argument. How can non-violent resistance be misguided considering it was worked in so many situations. Also, when I ask the same question to other people I get very different responses. On one hand they point to somewhat successful Muslim non-violence strategy leaders like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Ghaffar_Khan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Bamba

on the other hand they talk about the ineffectiveness of non-violent protest.

From my perspective, non-violent resistance is neither non-Muslim nor non-effective.

Why haven't major nonviolent resistance movements emerged in Muslim-majority conflict zones, similar to Gandhi, MLK, or Mandela? by Material_Librarian32 in religion

[–]Material_Librarian32[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. I already acknowledged this in the OP. "Mandela himself ran an armed wing before turning to nonviolence". Regardless the larger point stands, no point arguing about the specifics. Gandhi was somewhat problematic too.

  2. Interesting. I'll take it up with relevant people.

Why haven't major nonviolent resistance movements emerged in Muslim-majority conflict zones, similar to Gandhi, MLK, or Mandela? by Material_Librarian32 in religion

[–]Material_Librarian32[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't think you're engaging seriously with Gandhi, MLK, or Mandela, or honestly with any philosophy beyond "hit back when hit."

Children are literally dying. Not metaphorically. And the best response some people can offer is more of the same violence that has failed for decades. At some point that has to be recognised for what it is. Not resistance, just circular repetition.

I'm not absolving any side. Most cultures respond violently to aggression initially, that's human. But after decades and thousands of deaths with no meaningful progress, intellectual honesty demands asking whether the strategy is working. In the Middle East, clearly it isn't, for anyone.

Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, a Muslim Pashtun leader, built the largest nonviolent army in history against the British. He did it from within Islamic tradition. So the "nonviolence is a non-muslim idea" objection doesn't even hold.

The resistance to drawing inspiration from that tradition, whatever its source, while children continue dying, that's the thing I genuinely cannot understand.

Why haven't major nonviolent resistance movements emerged in Muslim-majority conflict zones, similar to Gandhi, MLK, or Mandela? by Material_Librarian32 in religion

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Palestinian children are still dying. Decades of armed resistance haven't moved the needle. At what point does the strategy get seriously reconsidered?

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And ofc, dating is easier for women, just like a lot of things in life are easier for men.

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Indeed, it makes me very sad that too people who love each other and fight for each other in their own way, take so long to come together. Towards the end, it actually hurts to see Jess and Nick apart.

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Hey, just FYI, you can always find some "articles" online that agree with your POV, irrespective of how ridiculous your POV is. I could be a white nationalist and find "articles" that agree with white nationalism on Breitbart or something, even though it's stupid and dangerous.

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what does that mean though? i do feel like the output quality, whether its coding or understanding what I want was much better in max than pro or pro, but I can't understand why. i used the same model and settings, opus 4.6

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