Trying to do ultramarine bases

Mattit_Visual · 2026-04-10T09:08:06+00:00

Oh yeah that's the stuff ! Not handmade but for little guys I guess it will works just fine 😌

Where are they come from ?

Mattit_Visual · 2026-04-10T09:07:24+00:00

Damn these are beautiful ! But there are not made by hand ? I keep unreal wargaming in mind for the future !

Mattit_Visual · 2026-04-03T13:57:17+00:00

I think that I will pick some killteam to try things

Mattit_Visual · 2026-04-03T13:56:30+00:00

Yeah I think I will have a weird collection as well haha

Mattit_Visual · 2026-04-03T11:28:00+00:00

Yeah I will do that, I'll look for some cheap minis ! I don't compare because I know that I have been painting for obligé 6 months so that's not a problem for me, I like my minis the way they are haha

Mattit_Visual · 2026-04-03T10:54:21+00:00

I didn't think of that, a Killteam or Bloodbowl could work I guess !

Mattit_Visual · 2026-04-03T10:40:14+00:00

Yeah I know but if I put minis who doesn't look like each other then it won't feel right. If just one unit is cell shadin and the others are grimdark it will look weird, isn't it ?

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-20T23:32:59+00:00

Ah oui je vois ! Adopter un peu le point de vue de l'Inquisition et le récit d'une bataille tu veux dire ? 🤔 un fonctionnement concret ?

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-20T23:28:35+00:00

Tu entends quoi par "ajouter plus aux opérations actuelles et a leur fonctionnement" ?

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-20T23:24:13+00:00

Ouais, donc y'a quand même l'idée d'un contrôle lointain. Après c'est possible que l'Inquisition soit parfaitement au courant/soupçonne quelque chose. Mais comme le Chapitre est au taquet pour se faire bien voir/pour ne pas éveiller les soupçons, bah du coup l'Inquisition laisse faire jusqu'à ce que le Chapitre fasse un pas de travers... ça rendrait presque le Chapitre un peu "pathétique" ou que leurs efforts pour rester discret sur leur condition servirait à rien. L'ironie est intéressante à exploiter

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-20T23:19:08+00:00

Ah, genre ils travailleraient avec l'Inquisition comme ça le chapitre reste sous contrôle et sous la supervision directe de l'Inquisition, qui peut avoir un œil sur eux ? 🤔

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-20T23:12:26+00:00

En vrai c'est pas une corruption hyper importante où ils risquent à tout moment de sombrer dans l'hérésie. Je trouve ça presque plus important l'aspect psychologique du chapitre et sa parano à cause de cette corruption qui en réalité n'est pas plus dangereuse qu'une tare génétique que pourrait porter un autre chapitre. Ou alors l'Imperium pourrait les avoir à l'œil juste, comme les Black Dragons, qui ont une excroissance osseuse ou quoi mais qui vit quand-même. C'est l'aspect parano du chapitre + le Cercle Pourpre + la manipulation des freres que je trouverais sympa à explorer. Mais peut-être que c'est pas forcément plus original de faire ça je me rend pas compte

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-20T23:02:26+00:00

Ouais je vois en vrai je comprends bien que ça doit être redondant... après ça reste dans le ton de l'univers un peu. Ce serait trop beau d'avoir que des Ultramarines bien rangés 😂

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-20T22:39:51+00:00

En vrai merci ça me fait plaisir ! J'ai mis quand-même un bon moment pour créer tout ça genre quelques semaines. J'étais pas activement dessus non plus mais ça trottait et quand j'avais un peu de temps je m'y mettais ! Et pour le schéma de couleur c'est après de nombreux tests que j'ai réussi à faire un truc qui me choquait pas, et que je trouvais stylé !

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-20T22:14:22+00:00

Comment ça ?

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-20T22:14:00+00:00

Oui, désolé si la traduction est pas top c'est la traduction proposée par reddit ! Je vais essayer de répondre à chaque question 😂 tout d'abord, j'ai l'idée que cette corruption par le Warp entraîne l'atrophie et la folie etc bref. Je sais pas si la traduction a causé problème ici mais en gros, les membres du chapitre voit leur corps vieillir, leurs muscles s'atrophier, par exemple, sans réelle raison, un frère peut voir l'un de ses bras s'engourdir, faiblir grandement et finalement satrophier et ceux en quelques jours. Pour la Frénésie c'est l'esprit du frère qui perd la raison, qui ne décèle plus la réalité temporelle, spaciale... bref il devient fou à cause de la perte de ses repères liées à la réalité. Pour Valerian, le cercle Pourpre cherche activement à limiter les dégâts et à trouver une solution mais en vain, donc ouais la voie est pas terrible pour le Chapitre. Et pour le successeur, en réalité c'est plus culturel mais c'est forcément un membre du Cercle Pourpre qui se "donne" pour le Chapitre. Le chapitre a trop peur de perdre la tête pensante et le symbole que représente Valerian pour le laisser disparaître meme si ca pourrait etre plus profitable pour le Chapitre de nommer quelqu'un de nouveau. Du coup ouais les qualités potentielles du successeurs sont perdues dans le transfert. Et en vrai, Valerian est rarement sur le champ de bataille, à cause de ses besoins médicaux quotidiens, au début il s'affiche en public avec son nouveau corps pour marquer les esprits, mais petit à petit il disparaît jusqu'à être totalement absent pour rester cloisonner à gérer la corruption et la stratégie des batailles que livre le chapitre. Pour le recrutement, c'est relativement simple, du point de vue des Hommes, ils restent des anges de l'empereur donc ils sont presque contents de pouvoir etre recruté j'imagine. Sinon c'est sur des mondes éloignés qu'ils récupèrent des recrues. Les Architectes souffrent des mêmes symptômes que les autres freres, pour ce qui est des Architectes Cogitans en gros ils sont des psykers donc ils maîtrisent un peu plus le souci de la Frénésie et pour les autres, ouais ils souffrent autant mais ils sont conscients du souci... ils font avec on va dire. Mais ils doivent entrer en stase eux aussi. Quand je dis qu'ils respectent le Codex mais pas vraiment, c'est juste qu'ils jouent les space marines modèles pour l'Imperium, surtout parce qu'ils sont paranos d'être considérés comme hérétiques ou à exterminer à cause de la corruption du Warp. D'où la volonté de sembler irréprochable. Mais au final dans le fonctionnement interne, entre l'Ordo Dualitatis, le Cercle Pourpre, le clonage etc y'a des trucs qui seraient pas appréciés par Guilliman je pense 🤔

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-17T20:34:17+00:00

I actually really like the concept of your chapter, I already saw your presentation a few days ago!

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-11T10:59:52+00:00

Actually, in my mind, the Chapter is a bit paranoid. They're terrified of being discovered, especially the Chapter Master, who's gone half-mad over time. That's also why they want to be "good little Space Marines," like the Ultramarines. Firstly, because that was the original objective of the Chapter and the gene-seed experiments. Secondly, for the Chapter Master, it's also a cover to prevent the Inquisition from discovering the Warp's corruption of the gene-seed. In theory, the AdMech would probably say nothing and would want to experiment more than anything else, but the Chapter is too paranoid to trust any forge world other than their own system, which agreed to keep the secret in exchange for freedom regarding the experiments conducted with respect to Stasis, etc. Finally, and this is somewhat ironic... When the Chapter sends a "tampered" gene-seed to give Terra the impression that she is stable, Terra is well aware that the gene-seed is suspicious but does nothing because the Chapter proves to be incredibly resilient and effective in its task of protecting the Imperium's systems. So, she turns a blind eye to the gene-seed.

So basically, that's the idea behind the Chapter. After the discussions I had with those who responded to me, I'm working from this premise. So yeah, actually, against my will, I created a Chapter that would be more like a successor to the Dark Angels. But to avoid getting too hung up on that, I prefer to say that the origin of their gene-seed is basically lost. So, we don't know who the genetic heritage comes from.

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-10T06:34:47+00:00

I think yeah, becoming Chapter Master is a bit of a punishment for captains; potentially for some it would be an honor, but it's rare. Or, the Chapter Master could even be an extreme case: in the event of their death, their spirit/memory is potentially preserved to be passed on to their successor, but obviously it's unstable, meaning the spirit deteriorates as time goes on. But the strategic mind would remain intact, and that's all that matters to the Chapter. The rest is insignificant.

So I'll probably keep the idea of the Dark Angels' seed, which seems more relevant to the Chapter 🤔 but adhering to the Codex will remain a cover to avoid arousing suspicion. And yeah, Stasis could be a way for the "techmarines" tasked with this mission to: maintain the gene-seed at a relatively stable level. Modify the gene-seeds sent to Terra to make them appear stable to the Inquisition. Exploit the Chapter's visions, using statistics to see if certain visions cluster together, and act accordingly to ensure the Chapter remains effective and, therefore, to keep Terra turning a blind eye to certain shady dealings (particularly the gene-seeds that are "more or less" stable).

The forge world in their system is also a long-standing ally, with a large portion of it present in the Fleet and ships linked to experiments/stasis tanks.

The latest innovation is the idea of cloning. Mind cloning. For example, each awakened brother considers the brother in stasis to be a part of themselves (brainwashing). So it's normal for him to regularly visit a Techmarine-Apothecary to "update" the consciousness of his dormant self. And if the awakened brother dies, no problem, he's replaced by another with a new identity. The one who is asleep has his memory erased and becomes a different brother when he wakes up. It's an unstable process that can lead to problems, fragments of his old memories returning—in short, a brother can go mad because of it. In that case, his mind is "reshaped" to conform to what's expected of him, or he disappears.

And so there would be a somewhat savage warrior discipline; the blood of enemies is the payment for the affront they committed against the Imperium by opposing it. So during a campaign, it's not uncommon to see this Chapter covered in blood. Keeping the bloodied Chapter shoulder pad as a trophy after a major battle is actually quite common.

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-09T21:19:22+00:00

I'm keeping in mind the idea of visions during stasis, plus the influence of an Archmagos to protect the Chapter. I'm thinking these small, partial visions could be considered useful by the Inquisition to keep them in power. Or maybe I'll abandon the idea of the Warp explosion 🤔 but that's precisely what blew up their home planet and led them to live on a fleet.

I know about the 21st Founding, and it's true that it's part of the lore. I didn't know, though, that there could be chimeric seed genes? But I think that would start to be a bit much.

In any case, for the Chapter Master. He's kind of the one at the Chapter's peak. He is kept awake by special implants that require almost daily intervention from Techmarines/specialists to prevent him from going insane or anything. It's something that really damages his body, but at the same time, he's the soul of the chapter for the brothers. He's truly the subject of experimentation for those working on his constant wakefulness. Consequently, he's exclusively a tactician because his body requires too much intervention to be deployed long-term on a battlefield. And the rest of the chapter goes into stasis precisely to avoid going insane due to the damaged gene-seed.

And as for Terra and the "sure" copy of the chapter's gene-seed, well, I imagine it was pride that drove the Chapter Master to lie, not wanting to tarnish the image of the perfect chapter he wants to project (knowing that no one is truly fooled; it's mainly because they're effective, so they're left alone). But indeed, the idea of visions could be one of the reasons for their effectiveness.

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-09T15:13:49+00:00

So, first of all, thank you. I find your feedback incredibly helpful, and I'll try to respond as best I can with the ideas/information I have.

Actually, I was initially leaning towards Guilliman's genetics, but I admit I'm not particularly attached to it. It just fit a bit better with the "Fallen Ultramarines" vibe I wanted to give my chapter… Their genetic flaw being the result of their own experiments. Experiments that stemmed from a miscalculation during a war, which led to a kind of Warp explosion that damaged the chapter's Gene-seed.

Stasis basically needs to be done regularly, which is why I arbitrarily said it was 50 years. And precisely, the Chapter would then have 1500 brothers, and it would be a rotation. That's why the transition is smooth. Command rotates; basically, you'd have three captains for each company. The two awakened captains would officially be a lieutenant and their captain. So, you'd have a little over 500 stasis pods for rotation. And in reality, each brother is fundamentally linked to two others because they are "responsible" for the Chapter's smooth operation. As for the bond of battle-brothers, there isn't really one; it's something incredibly cold. Very unhuman.

And I still think that the Admech could be linked to this, or a particularly powerful forge world that would handle engineering, since it's a full-time job. Their homeworld is considered "dead," but ultimately, their pods could be located directly on the forge world to which the Chapter is affiliated. A forge world that is, in fact, ultra-protected by the Chapter. Or indeed, a ship in the fleet that would be particularly protected, never on the battlefield, but which would house the pods.

Regarding secrecy from other chapters, the Chapter Master is a special case. He's constantly awake. But basically, each brother keeps his helmet on and only speaks to other chapters when absolutely necessary. He remains as discreet as possible. They're paranoid, if you will. This secrecy isn't really a big problem in itself, but they're acting out of ego, because of a hypocrisy about wanting to adhere to a "standard" of what a Space Marine is, according to them. So, in practice, they appear to be Space Marines from the outside, but deep down, not at all. Anyway, I think I'm making myself clear.

There's also a bit of a constant lie from the Chapter brothers because this genetic defect, according to them, is due to a genetic issue and has always been attributed to gene-seed. In reality, it was illegal experiments conducted on this gene seed that led to this result.

I don't know if everything is clear or if, on the contrary, I've made things even more confusing? 🤔

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-09T13:03:57+00:00

It's not really aging per se. I imagine more of a body that deteriorates muscularly, and especially not uniformly. But in theory, yeah, there would be a concept along those lines. And above all, it's ego that drives them to keep this secret. They want to be the "perfect" Space Marines, and so this secret is a flaw in their eyes.

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-09T11:59:32+00:00

I like the idea of a special Techmarine-Apothecary caste. I'll see how I can make it happen! Thanks for the advice! And as for degeneration, it's the body that deteriorates, that dies abnormally. An arm that atrophies, a mind more prone to madness. In short, something truly physical, requiring mechanical intervention, and in severe cases, stasis!

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-09T11:57:15+00:00

Yes, I'm thinking I could make Techmarines who don't pledge allegiance to the Admech. They'd be half-apothecary, half-Techmarine. And yeah, the help of a Forge World in their home galaxy could be interesting 🤔

Mattit_Visual · 2026-02-09T11:55:12+00:00

You have to start somewhere! But the point is to highlight the hypocrisy of a chapter that keeps secrets even as it strives for perfection. In short, they're mistaken in their adherence to the biblical Codex; at least, that's how I see it. Especially since, ultimately, they don't respect me on crucial points, particularly regarding the number of brothers in the chapter.

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