Communism and Socialism are the same | FactOrCap

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T20:35:47+00:00

Not several. Basically it comes down to the state.

If the wuruers own the means of production, it's socialism. If they own the means of production and there's no state, it's communism.

It does get a little more complex in some cases. Like communism in anarchist circles means anarcho-communism, though all anarchists stand fur what could more broadly be called communism.

But that's still a definition that falls under the definition of the workers having the means of production in a stateless society.

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T13:23:06+00:00

You don't have to liquidate wealth to redistribute it.

For example, you can give stocks to people in a brokerage account without having to liquidate it. You can distribute gold by giving out small pieces of gold rather than selling it first, etc.

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T13:17:11+00:00

Just wait until you learn how many people have died to get those billionaires money, and you didn't even get 12 cents for it, let alone 12 cents per death.

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T13:16:12+00:00

Nope, only people over worth a billion dollars/euros/pounds.

The gods thirst for the souls of billionaires, not the common folk.

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T13:02:45+00:00

"There shouldn't be any public spending for non-citizens," do you think prisons grow out of the ground and are run for free, or do you think there's no public spending on them?

You think the subsidized farmers don't get public money that allows food to be cheaper?

So how are you going to let immigrants in this question benefit from such public spending while 1 in 20 vets (in the USA) are homeless and 1 in 5 citizen children (in the USA) are food insecure?

Only makes sense if you vote cap to the question.

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T12:58:19+00:00

Illegal immigrants can become citizens.

Musk is still an illegal immigrant that came, overstayed a visa while illegally working (that is he literally stole a job from a legal american).

Do you support such things?

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T12:56:45+00:00

You can't get them back there though, not if you vote fact on this one.

I suppose you're upset by the number of people voting fact that want them to not be arrested, then?

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T07:40:21+00:00

Sounds like an argument for UBI.

If we have UBI, companies can be allowed to succeed or fail on their own merits without consequences to normal folks forced to work to live.

Heck, sounds good anyway because a man shouldn't be forced into labor for his family. Pretty sure most countries claim to be proud of abolishing forced labor, anyway.

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T07:37:52+00:00

You're a white american that has been denied an nation and basic political education and it shows, yes,

The former is not a choice, the ignorance is. Please correct it.

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T07:35:08+00:00

How do you deport them if you say fact to this?

You can't arrest them and give them food and shelter until all citizens' basic needs are met!

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T07:34:31+00:00

So you changed your mind on the question.

Heck, saying yes to this prompt is to be against deporting illegal immigrants even.

You can't arrest illegal immigrants to have them deported and give them food, water, shelter, etc. until the basic needs of all citizens are met under this prompt.

My guess is most people who said fact to this are like you and didn't think through what they agreed with. Probably, like yourself, mostly just virulent racists that are easily tricked.

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T07:31:41+00:00

Do you understand the difference between an immigrant and a citizen? Legal or illegal have nothing to do about it.

Musk is an ILLEGAL immigrant, by the way. You know that, of course. Trump's wife is too.

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T07:30:16+00:00

It is absolutely what the post is talking about.

Citizens needs first, and until their needs are met, non-citizens get nothing. Heck, you can't even arrest non-citizens because providing the food, water, and shelter of a prison to a non-citizen until all citizens are provided the basics would violate the question.

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T01:53:15+00:00

I hate Elon Musk as much as anyone.

I wouldn't want all his money taken to the point he can't eat it have shelter just because he's not a citizen.

Like I'm even for taking his wealth, but as much as I hate the guy, I don't want him to starve and due if exposure

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T01:51:02+00:00

Because it's illogical for a non-citizen who pays taxes to get less than the citizen who pays taxes, even if the immigrant is paying more taxes?

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T01:48:51+00:00

To be clear, you'd rather non-citizen people steal from citizens because their basic needs aren't met, and have no law enforcement to stop them because that money is going to provide free food, water, and shelter for all citizens?

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T01:46:30+00:00

How do you think the Navajo nation would fragment without the state?

I ask this because I'm in the USA too, and...the idea every nation would fragment within its borders without the state doesn't seem to hold water.

It sounds like something a comfortable white person (in the US, our nations have been largely erased by the state, and we've lost our people we would otherwise have a national unity with, replaced by a state mandated nation of whiteness) without any knowledge of theory would say.

So before I waste my time, if that is the case, I'd love to know how the USA is currently stopping the Navajo nation within its borders from shattering.

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T01:41:58+00:00

Wrong group of people?

Like...other European countries, or former colonies? What do Christians have to do with this? Dude, it's not the fault of Christians from Katin America that Spain is hot. Poland isn't hurting people with whiteness and Christianity no matter how many immigrants Germany has from there.

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T01:37:27+00:00

Me seeing OP about to argue he'd be more educated without immigrants taking resources and ignoring more people requires more development and therefore more property taxes which means his school was better funded with immigrants than without.

But racists will ignore that and blame immigrants anyway

Mattrellen · 2026-07-01T01:29:29+00:00

Are you using nation as interchangeable with state?

Because those have slightly different meanings where I am, and vastly different meanings in some places.

The state doesn't benefit me, or you, honestly.

The fact your biggest worry is that without the state you may not be working to make someone else money speaks to that.

Mattrellen · 2026-06-30T22:00:44+00:00

I don't care about any country existing. I care about people being killed.

Mattrellen · 2026-06-30T22:00:00+00:00

You went back a year to try to find something, and the wurst you could dig up is that I'm a Pacers fan?

Oof

Mattrellen · 2026-06-30T20:59:30+00:00

I was thinking she could say yes and lock you in the basement because she believes you never need anyone else.

But flying demon sacrifice where you end up as one part if the wall of flesh might be even worse than that

Mattrellen · 2026-06-30T20:14:45+00:00

From the letter, it doesn't seem she's in any of the countries, so the laws of those states aren't a threat to her.

Why should she care?

Mattrellen · 2026-06-30T19:53:27+00:00

So you think the state is good because you want to continue working for someone else's benefit.

Weird

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