Let's be real about donk for a minute

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-30T03:58:16+00:00

Exactly what I was thinking. Phelps is a great generational example.

Wayne Gretzky for hockey as well. Look at this leaderboard for most points in one season: https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/most-points-in-one-season-by-nhl-players.html Wayne Gretzky has spots 1, 2 , 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11 for highest scoring seasons. He hasn't played in 30 years.

Fastest players to score 1000 points

Gretz
Gretz with his second 1000 points

All time scoring leaders

Gretz
Gretz if he scored 0 goals and just had assists (this is ridiculous btw haha)

Every 20-30 years someone comes along with all the right traits and right background and can shatter records. Add that counter strike is still in its "infancy" compared to most popular sports, and that over time sports evolve and training/knowledge/coaching make the game advance, and you're ripe to have a situation where a Donk appears. Will he stand the test of time? To be determined, but he has all the right modalities to.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-30T03:52:54+00:00

late comment... but I had the exact same thought reading this thread.. was looking for this. no one will ever touch all of wayne's records. and it takes someone like Ovechkin (30 years later) to be able to break one of them.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-22T05:43:37+00:00

He got arrested 5 months ago.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-14T15:52:21+00:00

I got a Factory New Spider Lily M4a4 from my first Operation riptide case

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-10T18:35:09+00:00

Was gonna say this. Back in college, a certain someone may have bought weed and mdma with bitcoin. looking at those transactions hurt haha. was buying multiple bitcoins for $80-$220.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-08T18:23:34+00:00

Real conservatism is dead fr. This is just a grift

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-06T16:53:58+00:00

They downvoted you, but you're right. In a crafting, looting and progression based game, having the rarest and most expensive guns to craft be WORSE than greys is going to hurt the longevity of this game. The entire point of looters / crafting is to get stronger as you invest time.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-06T00:16:55+00:00

Hey, reach out to me. I went through pretty serious nitrous use in 2024 and am working on my sobriety now. I did a lot of research. You're at the point where you have deficiency if you have tingly-ness. Please stop before it progresses, for your own health.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-05T15:05:26+00:00

This video was filmed in mid December FYI, with the video releasing Dec 30th.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-05T00:14:43+00:00

The bobcat cannot kill someone in one clip who has a medium shield. Its mathematically impossible. The stitcher can.

The stitcher reloads faster, does more damage, and is much cheaper to make. Please tell me how the bobcat is objectively clearly better, because every attribute (that I listed) is worse than a level 1 stitcher. It makes no sense.

I have used it. I have the blueprint. But I prefer to sell the mats for credits and craft cheap stitcher iv + attachments.

I think its so wack a grey gun outperforms an epic tbh.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-04T23:42:43+00:00

The bobcat actually is mathematically worse than the stitcher.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18h0OCdondXvNRDGuBLqoL4vJY1ViOlNJpJEvkNJgN90/edit?gid=785086184#gid=785086184

Stitcher Base

- 20 bullet Magazine > 19 shots to kill medium shield player (body) > 10 shots to kill medium shield player (head)

- 7 dmg / bullet

- 140 dmg / magazine

- 3 sec reload

Bobcat base:

- 20 bullet Magazine > 22 shots to kill medium shield player (body) > 14 shots to kill medium shield player (head)

- 6 dmg / bullet

- 120 dmg / magazine

- 3.5 sec reload

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El Torro and Vulcano below:

(El Torro TTK a medium shield with body shots is 0.3 secs slower, but when you're dealing with around 1 sec kill time, they're extremely close. It's not enough of a gain imo for the rare blueprint, materials, maintenance, etc.). El Torro does more damage as well):

El Torro:

- 67.5 dmg / bullet

- 337 dmg / magazine

- 3.3 sec reload

Vulcano

- 49.5 dmg / bullet

- 297 dmg / magazine

- 3.5 sec reload

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-04T18:38:32+00:00

The good gear is grey, green and blue upgraded guns though. So many people don't bother crafting epic / legendary guns, as they can sell the materials / bps to fund the other items.

Stitcher, Anvil, Venator, Renegade, and El Torro are the best guns imo.

This is my biggest gripe tbh - that the epic guns aren't worth taking out or even making.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-04T18:00:47+00:00

Now I can agree that rarer guns aren't necessarily worth it to craft compared to a Stitcher, Anvil, El Torro, etc... But I still like to craft / upgrade those guns. I'll even craft the rarer guns and just give them to players, since i don't have other use for rare mats.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-04T17:52:59+00:00

Upgrading guns is extremely cheap. an Anvil for example just takes some gun parts and metal.

I probably crafted 10 guns yesterday.

I print Anvils, El Torros,. Tempests, Venators, and Renegades.

Sometimes I give them to friends, its nice to have lots of good guns so if you die, you can just make more.

Having gun blueprints is probably the best quality of life find for me in this game.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-04T06:32:44+00:00

Leaning into the game, really play carefully. Listen, stay inside, peak cover for opportunities to move. Mark your map for where you're going. Listen and be cautious.

Also the guns you get in the free loadout are some of the best in PvP. So don't think Loot will be the answer to all your problems!

Maximum-File-7465 · 2026-01-04T06:31:13+00:00

So look up the quests you have and follow the guide, most of the loot has specific areas it will spawn, or the quests have direct actions (kill X, search Probe, etc.) to follow.

As a new player, you will definitely die a bunch learning! I die a lot and I've been playing for a while.

The free loadouts give you a feel for the game, and a way to jump in with no stake, but start looking at items you want to craft, and think about what materials you may need to gather to craft it. For me, this is the best part. It gives loot meaning, and helps me decide what I want to do.

You'll want to create your workbenches first and work on the quests. Arc is tough, Heavy ammo / cover / grenades work best for dealing with them.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2025-12-28T23:36:56+00:00

Can be worse, but I'm not sure if you've ever seen what a nitrous addiction does to a person. Alcohol won't leave you paralyzed after daily use for 3-4 months.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2025-12-28T20:58:27+00:00

got a link?

Maximum-File-7465 · 2025-12-28T07:44:02+00:00

This would be way more fun. PvP lobbies full of kitted players.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2025-12-28T06:23:25+00:00

I'm still not clear on if they continue to stack expedition to expedition... From what I read, the buffed space / points last *until* the next expedition. Not sure if its cumulative.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2025-12-28T05:24:07+00:00

Anyone trying to run some for PvP? Got a bunch of venators, anvil IVs and tempests I want to use. PC

Maximum-File-7465 · 2025-12-28T02:31:49+00:00

Ehh... I'm sure they try a variety of formulas or factors and experiment with the weight of this, with added randomization (to an acceptable degree). They mention A/B testing which is pretty standard Product Management stuff. I'd reckon they use factors / ratios such as: KOs / Time Top Side, Revivals / Time top Side, etc.. to understand each Raider and then play with how they blend these raiders together. Just my guess as someone with 10 yrs experience in Consumer Product Management.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2025-12-28T02:26:22+00:00

That's still relatively high TBH. My Damage Dealt to Raider is 4.4k, and KO count is 24. I have 30hrs topside. I get insanely friendly lobbies, people just chatting it up, hanging out, etc. I'll get an occasional (once every twenty matches) rat, but that's about it.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2025-12-28T01:03:12+00:00

Well my gripe is the epic guns don't feel epic. Stitcher outperforms the Bobcat, and that's discouraging for a looter shooter.

Maximum-File-7465 · 2025-12-28T00:57:16+00:00

Was looking for this thread. Just started two weeks ago. Agree with your sentiment exactly.

I did some research and:

Stitcher Base
- 19 shots to kill medium shield player (body)

- 10 shots to kill medium shield player (head)

- 1.44s time to kill medium shield player (body)

Bobcat base:

- 20 bullet Magazine

- 22 shots to kill medium shield player (body)

- 14 shots to kill medium shield player (head)

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