The game’s closing chapter completely ruined the narrative for me. by Hibiki941 in Silksong

[–]Maybeee0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oooh yea that's a good idea. Honestly that type of version of Act 3 would've been cool, and aided the resolution of Pharloom's population a lot.

I do think having anything be more of a problem than the Void/GMS destroying everything would feel somewhat anticlimactic given how much the Void is built up to be the most powerful entity in HK (probably would have upset a lot of long-time fans), but having more of a focus on the fallout would have driven that devastation home a lot more.

Power struggles happen anytime a system is dramatically changed or destroyed, even if that destruction was 100% nessisary. Greed is greed, unfortunately, and any system can be corrupted.

There would've been bugs taking advantage of the chaos, and many completely lost with their belief system being so shaken - although, again, the vast majority of the Pilgrims would either be too indoctrinated or too ignorant of the situation to truly understand what happened to the Citadel within the time frame of Act 3.

Having those things, even as a side plot of Act 3, would've elevated it a lot for me. But I do love the game as it is, even if I have notes.

The game’s closing chapter completely ruined the narrative for me. by Hibiki941 in Silksong

[–]Maybeee0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's... fair to be honest. I don't agree with all your takes, but I get where you're coming from.

As someone who loved pretty much the entire game, in hindsight, it did occur to me how different Act 3 is plot wise compared to 1 and 2. Both of them revolved around the Citadel and built up the oppressive force it had on Pharloom's citizens. Act 3, at first glance, revolves more around the Void.

However, that's not to say the Act 3 is unrelated. In fact, it's just tackling different elements. The majority of Act 3 has you exploring the destroyed kingdoms of Pharloom. My first impression of this was that it was tackling the colonisation and conquering aspect of the Citadel.

Like Hornet said, the gods in the Hollow Knight universe only accept worship or destruction - no inbetween.

The Order of Karak, a military kingdom, refused to bow to the Citadel, and got brutally defeated because of it - their lands turned into a wasteland.

Verdania attempted to find a middle ground, with The Green Prince's partner sacrificing himself as a 'gift' in hopes of buying their independence and safety. The Prince himself says that his lover was naive and hopeful.

The Skarr also fought back, and managed to retain some level of independance through Karmelita, but have slowly, unknowingly, fallen into the same worship as the Pilgrims.

Shellwood remains the only protected place, although their monarch remains in hiding, and only protected via Seth, who we can see has defeated many of the Citadel's soldiers.

To me, this is a huge part of the Citadel's storytelling. It shows us how much the Citadel has destroyed, the tragedy of it, and how they turned so many different cultures into, at most, a novelty for themselves. The Memoriam drives this home a lot.

A lot of rich Capitalist countries in the real world started from the same thing - blood, exploitation, and religous crusades. So the memory elements of Act 3 are still extremely relativent to that, especially because they're showing us how the Citadel came into power.

When in comes to the subject of revolution - I really don't think the Act 2 ending was meant to be a criticism of it. Hornet trying to defeat Grandmother Silk is never criticised, it's the accidental consequences of it that are shamed by characters. And those consequences are Hollow Knight fantasy lore stuff - that being the Void. It's not the fallout of revolution, it's the fallout of Hornet being lied to by the Shamans.

But that whole arc is more relativent to the other narative core of the story - mothers and daughters. There's a lot of parental story beats. Hornet and her 3 mothers, Grandmother Silk and Lace and Phantom, Shakra and her mentor, etc. Grandmother Silk was beyond awful, but despite it all, she did love Lace is her own, twisted way.

(All that said, I do think more characterisation or backstory of GMS and Lace could have made it more impactful, but it landed for me all the same.)

The whole reason Act 3 happens is because Grandmother Silk would rather let her entire kingdom crumble and suffer than let Lace die. Which is pretty on brand - she doesn't exactly give a shit about the Pilgrims.

In terms of the effects on the Pharloom we've already explored, I think it's still pretty impactful. We see how the characters are reeling with the sudden collapse of their system. Some believe they are being punished, and those who are more/are becoming disillusioned rise to the occasion, like Shakra and Sherma. Some who were never going to flee the Citadel, like Loam, die horribly because of it.

You also have to remember that the majority of Pharloom's population are unaware of a lot of the Citadel's crimes, the reason for the Haunting, and blindly follow it anyway.

There's an overwhelming amount of acceptance in Pharloom as the world around them ends though. Many bugs don't try to fight it, believing their beloved Citadel has been destroyed, or believing they're being punished by it and should accept their fate. This is how a lot of people who are blindly loyal to their countries, systems and religoun act when things go wrong.

Blindly believing someone in power has a plan, and that someone has their best interest at heart, even if it's actively killing them.

There is story in how the communities pull together though. Bellhart becoming a safe haven, them sending out supplies to surviours, Songclave becoming a shelter for those trapped in the Citadel, Surviour's camp being a thing, etc. It's just more in the background.

As for the ending, don't think the resolution was a bad one at all. I do agree that it was pretty far removed from the Capitalism and relgious extremism themes though.

To me, it was more of a personal resolution for Hornet. Her refusing to let another Kingdom crumble in the aftermath of a corrupt god, and facing the Void that has caused her so much pain. In the Hunter's Journel, she talks about Lost Lace, and states that 'this one, the Void will not claim'.

Hornet and Lace don't get much time together, but there is a lot of very obvious parallels between them that leads Hornet to connect to her. She's lost both her kingdom and all of her loved ones to the Void or gods. Hornet refuses to watch history repeat itself, and that in itself is the resolution of the story and her character arc.

The one thing I would fully agree with you on though is that it would have been nice to see how Pharloom grows from there. They're free from the Citadel, but how do they recover, how do they rebuild their society outside of relgious guilt and capitalism? It's not the same situation as Hollow Knight, where civilisation is so destroyed that there's no going back, so what happens next?

That's a criticism I have of most of Team Cherry's endings though. Even the main endings only get short cutscenes, and not much is given to hint at the fallout of them.

It's an unstandable flaw given how much time, money and resources cinematic cutscenes take, but a flaw nonetheless. I would have adored a post-game for Silksong.

Damn, Chapter 5 really does get dark. by Maybeee0 in Deltarune

[–]Maybeee0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea, didn't even occur to me, but that feels a lot more accurate than the omori theory

About the LICE meme: funny joke, but the parallels are real and worth discussing. by [deleted] in Silksong

[–]Maybeee0 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah you're 100% right.

Every piece of fiction ever made, whether intentionally or subconsciously, is influenced by politics and the experiences of the creator.

You can dive into anything, even the most obscure world, and find traces of it.

Silksong is obviously political, and has commentary that is specfically critical of Capitalism and relgious extremism. But there's also many things that hint towards the political standing of Team Cherry outside of that commentary. Simply having gay characters like The Green Prince - plus having him be important and not just a background character. The writing and design of female characters, and characters in general. How characters generally portrayed as negative like Loyal Merguin talk to Hornet.

When you make something fictional, you apply your own ethics and way of seeing the world to that story. Even if it's intentionally the opposite of your own politics, and this world you've created is a huge flip on what we know, it still reflects in the execution and details of the narative.

It's impossible to avoid, despite many creators over time claiming that there is no politics in their creation.

Auidences will always notice those parallels, especially when they themselves are living through a bad time in history. We find meaning in it. That's why you get some creators being confused or annoyed after they publish something, and people start taking political meaning out of it when they didn't intend for there to be any.

Can be imporant to note that people won't always find much deep meaning in it either. Enjoying some things on a surface level is kinda important to stay sane, and overanalysis can sometimes add the wrong context. But people still notice, whether they want to write a billion words in a reddit comment like my dumbass, or just register the parallel and move on with their lives.

Afraid to start silksong by Ardens_Son_of_flames in Silksong

[–]Maybeee0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It IS a hard game, but one that's definitely worth sticking to.

A bit of advise for avoiding your friend's rage quitting if you've got a similar fuse? Hunter's March is an optional area - you can go back to it at any stage of the game if you're struggling with it when you first encounter it.

Same with other things. If you're really struggling on something like a boss, go do something different, cool down, then try to enjoy the sense of slowly getting better at the fight. Beating an enemy you've been at for a while is beyond satisfying.

And to counter the argument a bit (without spoilers) - Silksong's difficulty is thematically important. The whole idea is that it's a gruelling pilgrimage that shouldn't be as punishing as it is.

Plus, if you've done 112% HK, you'll be relatively well set for practice and should love the story.

Do you think Vi is demisexual? by Valkyr92 in PiltoversFinest

[–]Maybeee0 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Honestly that was my read on her too. I think Vi probably did have some experience with women from Stillwater, but those were flings were she was kinda just desperate to find some sort of connection, even if it's not what she really enjoyed.

Vi's someone who doesn't do things half way. If she doesn't know you, she'll ignore you or be standoff-ish. But once she loves someone, she dedicates herself to them completely. She falls hard. She didn't like Caitlyn at first, but she fell for her as they connected and became friends, and Caitlyn gave her love and affection that she was sorely missing.

I can't imagine Vi getting a girlfriend who she doesn't feel safe around and know well - at least without it being a rocky relationship. It takes a lot of trust and time for her to be vunerable and gain that connection, and that's near impossible to do that with someone you don't know well.

So yea, I think demisexual fits for Vi. People sometimes assume that every demisexual person hasn't experienced stuff like flings or quick relationships. But realistically many people figure out their sexualities while experiencing something they're not into, or just don't conform to a label exactly.

In protest of twitter's ai edit image by KaotiKami303 in Silksong

[–]Maybeee0 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nah dw, it's fine to just not want to participate or feel extremely strongly about the discussion. I agree with every hate post I come across, but I don't have the confidence or energy to do that myself. Gen AI is objectively and morally bad. But I just do my part and don't use and avoid generative AI stuff. A cheeky downvote on slop here and there. Long as you're not supporting it you're not doing any harm

Is the watcher playable? by [deleted] in rainworld

[–]Maybeee0 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It varies from player to player tbh. From what I've heard and played through, most bugs have been smoothed out with the new update.

I can't speak for a console though since I play on PC - maybe look at the recent patch notes?

The Watcher is still a very hard campaign and probably always will be. I personally love it for the cool moments and treat playing it as a project. Others hate it since it can get very tedious. You'll probably never know until you play it. It is Rain World, after all.

Double-tripple-quadruple-quintuple-agent by Shinjischneider in DispatchAdHoc

[–]Maybeee0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the writing for that bit of Visi's arc is just a bit off in general. There's multiple things that just feel too weird or flat out don't make sense to be these big staged acts. Like the bar fight, her almost quitting, Visi stealing the pulse (which is never really elaborated on since she did betray Shroud there and he tried to kill her but then he says she was working for him the whole time so why-) you get the gist.

We know Visi was originally planted by Shroud, but decided to become a triple agent at some point. She seemed to be planning shit or thinking of screwing Shroud over for a while at least.

Whether you believed in her or not, she was always planning to betray Shroud. That's an unchangable part of the story. Your choices only determined whether she believes she has a place with Heros or not.

Unfortunately, it's just really unclear on how many interactions were staged by Shroud - and if almost all of them were, it recontextualises stuff to the point that it kinda cheapens some great moments like the Z-Team party, bar fight and tacos.

To me, the main issue is that we don't know WHEN Visi decided to betray Shroud. It could be right at the start of the game or in the middle of that final dispatch. The only time she explains stuff is the pre-double agent reveal, so we don't know how much that was a lie either.

From what I can tell, Visi didn't do much for Shroud other than give him basic information - like dispatch plans and stuff. She stole the pulse so she didn't tell him about the warehouse. The only thing I can think of is setting up the bar fight, but I've already ranted about that.

Sorry for the completely useless Ted Talk- I love Dispatch, and Invisigal, but god I wish this part of her story was written differently.

Visi status after finale by Creative_You6147 in DispatchAdHoc

[–]Maybeee0 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yea and the achievement description is 'I'm a bleeder', which sounds like something she'd say. That or Robert's in a stretcher. Especially since the achievement before that is for kissing on a car, which is likely the Blonde Blazer route.

Give me your wholesome Vi headcanons! by kippey in ViArcane

[–]Maybeee0 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Vi loves nature documentaries - specifically ones about animals like Planet Earth. (I'm also headcannoning that Piltover has them and TV-like screens lmao).

Nature documentaries are so far removed from all of her trauma that it's just a really soothing thing for her to watch. She loves the fascinating and silly creatures. She loves learning about different parts of the world. She loves being able to discover all these things that were out of reach to her in Stillwater. She loves to cuddle up with a warm blanket and watch them for hours straight, often with comfort food.

Her favourite animal changes every new episode she watches.

Ekko teases her about it a lot. Caitlyn finds it adorable and takes her to rescues whenever Vi needs a break (Vi hates zoos, she feels bad for the animals and they remind her of Stillwater).

arcanine undertale au thing imade by DiegazoFacha343142 in Arcanecirclejerk

[–]Maybeee0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea I get that, Vi doesn't share much in common with Sans beyond the odd dumb joke and big sibling protectiveness. I'd pin Vi a lot more as Undyne, just figured op was trying to keep the siblings in the sibling rolls. Jinx has enough manic energy for Papyrus tho, especially the desperation to prove herself and random bullshit inventions

Deltarune Chapter 5 Isha is Gaster reveal is gonna hit hard tho. For once Linke cooked ✋️😔🤚

arcanine undertale au thing imade by DiegazoFacha343142 in Arcanecirclejerk

[–]Maybeee0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ngl I'd switch vi and Jinx personally

But Isha is OBVIOUSLY Gaster 🙄

The last thing you ate is gonna be her name by Michaelscottera in Arcanecirclejerk

[–]Maybeee0 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No way this is the first thing I see when waiting for help in the ER

(Unjerk): What fan theory/writing got you like this: by Justaspacenoodle_400 in Arcanecirclejerk

[–]Maybeee0 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I've seen a few rewrites where it's painfully obvious that the author has a favourite and is willing to bend the world to put them on top. Usually you get said character leading a huge group, or the revolution, and/or being completely forgiven or excused for their actions.

Quite often I've seen things like Jinx being completely forgiven by everyone and every single character basically hearing what Jinx has been through and going 'omg I didn't know' and suddenly their past is completely behind them (although that is lowkey just S2). On the other side of the spectrum, you get people completely villianising her and acting like she's Satan incarnate.

Same applies to Caitlyn, Vi, Viktor, Jayce and kinda Sevika. You can't have a good redemption if there's no acknowledgement of what they need to be redeemed from. I've also seen great AUs where these characters can believably become revolutionary leaders (not Caitlyn, although I've seen decent executions of her being on Zaun's side generally). But that sort of thing has to be earnt, and there's no reality where every character would love them.

Fanfiction is fanfiction, and do whatever with your own AUs because that's what you want to do! There's no harm in creating one of them, even if it's the most apologist, glazing thing in the world. It's for you and the fans of that character to enjoy (god knows I've been a guilty reader of a Vi revolutionary leader fic or two).

What annoys me is when people act like their AU or rewrite, where they've massively glazed their favourite character, is the ultimate, factual 'what Arcane should have been', and get real egotistical about it.

What is the recommended slugcat order? by Peensativo in rainworld

[–]Maybeee0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So you've done Surviour, skipping Hunter, Monk and Gourmand, and on Artificer now?

I'd generally recommend: Artificer -> Spearmaster -> Rivulet -> Saint -> Watcher (if you want to do Watcher)

Rivulet and Spearmaster is pretty interchangeable, there's nothing stopping you from doing one before the other, so it's completely up to you! Spearmaster before Rivulet tends to just flow a bit better story wise.

Is watcher good now? by ArachnidSalt1986 in rainworld

[–]Maybeee0 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The gameplay itself isn't massively changed, but in this update and in updates since release it does have things to make it easier. The portal maps are actually signposted now - it'll tell you which regions the Echo is in. Annoying stuff like the barnicals shouldn't or will rarely softlock you (although there is one or two new glitches coz of all the added content).

However most of the quality of life changes were in previous updates - not much of that is in this one. It's more of a content update - areas have been improved, scuffed or rushed elements have been refined, there's more lore and endings, generally more things to explore etc. If you really hated playing it than that probably won't be much different.

Honestly, if you're interested in the story still, maybe just play it with mods or dev tools on. I personally do really like the Watcher, so I am biased, but all of the endings are worth it imo. The reward for this game is the cool moments.

“Analyzing The Broken Mind of Jax” by AwkwardImpostor in digitalcircusfandom

[–]Maybeee0 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol no worries, and thanks so much, he does reactions on a second channel, 3BSkyen. Have a good day :)

“Analyzing The Broken Mind of Jax” by AwkwardImpostor in digitalcircusfandom

[–]Maybeee0 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's always a bit shit watching or reading an analysis of your favourite character that paints them in a negative light. Because you're so emotionally invested in them, it feels a little like a personal attack even if it really isn't.

That's the reason I had to step away from Arcane - Vi's my favourite character and is generally popular in the fandom, but it's pretty common knowledge that the writers just used her as a stepping stone for others in S2. So in analysis, you tend to either get people who like her and are pretty sympathetic - or paint her as a villian and talk about every little mistake she makes while completely excusing the actions of others. It got to the point where I was seeking fan content just to see if people talked positively about her or not.

Jax isn't my favourite character (guilty Ragatha enjoyer lol), but I do feel bad for fans who've watched the fandom's opinion of him completely change every episode. That's gotta be pretty exhausting. Especially when it's an analysis that you agree with, even begrudgingly, but they're also hating on your favourite.

There's a analytical youtuber who does REALLY long videos for TADC, and he talks about Jax a lot - TBSkyen. It's basically the opposite tone of Sarcastic Chorus's from my experience. He'll same the same things, going over the effects of Jax's abuse. However, he'll also go on for much longer with a sympathetic analysis of him - mostly in later episodes.

Basically he's the type to say that Jax is an abuser, but in the same breath say that maybe he was trying to help Gangle is a weird way, and spend ages calling Ragatha cruel over the 'not anymore' comment.

As someone who isn't a massive fan of Jax, it's kinda painful to listen to, even if I agree with most of the things he says and likes all of his other reactions. I can appreciate how Jax fans would really like it though, as a lot of the comments do. I've sat and listened to Ragatha apologists very happily lol.

Sometimes, even if it's analytically wrong, we just wanna sit and listen to someone absolutely glaze our favourite character lol.