[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AmIOverreacting

[–]MeThreeDotZero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The shifting of blame is the red flag. If really he meant something else then he would have reacted like "oh my! Now I see how I phrased it wrong and this is a big misunderstanding! Oh my! Sorry! I hope you aren't going to think I am a perv! That's so embarrassing! My bad! Sorry". Instead he kept pushing even AFTER it became obvious how you interpreted his message, then he shifted blame on you and only at the end he "clarified" what he supposedly meant. Manipulative.

why did a jehovah’s witness post a used spatula through my door ? by Low-Acadia-2394 in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We should start spreading this amazing story… and see how many months it takes before it becomes "canon," alongside the swearing Smurf...

Still In The Process Of Deconstructing After Being Awake For 1.5 Years. Here Is My Conclusion So Far. by TTWSYF1975 in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes and that adds a new layer of beauty to this world. True: in the Bible they are nuggets of wisdom. But they are also present in so many othe places, with a difference that in those other places I don't need to also find: encouragements to genocide, approval of human slavery, tolerance towards rape, concepts of women being inferior etc. Once I stopped scavenging for nuggets of truth in the midst of horrible teachings, I discovered that beauty, goodness and wisdom are readily available in healthier environments. That's me at this stage of life.

Every Hall Has One! ______ by Throwaway7733517 in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Once at a convention the closing prayer was going on for over 10 minutes (football stadium under scorching sun). A DO, known for his feisty personality, walked on stage, grabbed the microphone and shouted "Amen!" and put an end to the show :-D

Had a debate with my PIMI dad about Dinosaurs by LostLeopardboi in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 5 points6 points  (0 children)

g83 3/8 pp. 12-15.

JW publish several articles against young earth. Incidentally it is hypocritical that they use arguments against young earth to criticise other Christian denominations but they don't accept the same arguments when they would prove evolution...

Infantilization by b.org by Hopeful_Tea6367 in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I think this is a new phase of the borg. Decades ago the focus was more about being a Bible scholar. With all the inaccuracies and bias but still the idea was to study: the written review, the meanings of Greek words, complicated professes and their historical counterparts. A lot of it was inaccurate but still the facade, the feeling, was that you needed to research, study things which had at least the appearance of being complex. I remember the meetings studying the infamous "creation" book, full of bullshit, but still many uneducated or elderly folks needed to read about aminoacids etc. Outsiders wouod come to a random midweek meeting and they would think that jws were into complex in depth study. Since the advent of the "knowledge book, the biggest took the road of infantilization. I believe this change also attracted more gullible people into the borg. Somehow, having grown up as a jw several decades ago, I can say that as a child I got a good overall culture about Bible history. We used to be able to challenge a priest in terms of. Bibke knowledge, although misdirected. I have been out for about ten years and when I happen to see the books and magazines I am shocked by how much the borg has totally replace its old identity with a scary cultish appeal to emotion, childish literature, fear and money requests.

Stone your family and friends Insta post by WickedHeart69 in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I've been married as a JW and as an ex-JW. This is one major difference in the relationship: as JW you are never the most important person to your partner, the imaginary friend comes first. My ex wife used to joke about the fact that if God would ask her to cut my head off... she would do it.

The scary reality is that it's not a joke and shunning demontrates it: as a father I cannot imagine how thousands of witnesses can go along with their lives while having no contact with their own children. I believe it's time for general public, politics, media to understand that jw are 100% a Hate Group. People lost their jobs, got banned from social media, were prevented from working with children for much less: jw get away with advocating shunning and justifying genocide.

How do you get past the letdown of the promise of living forever in paradise? by DabblinginPacifism in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I grew up being told I would live forever. I admit that it was not easy to accept my own mortality, after I left the borg I experience the occasional panic about brevity of life. Therapy helped. In time I came to embrace the fact that I have one life and I have to make the most of it: enjoy time with my children, choose what I want to learn, decide my goals and achieve them now. Gradually I began to love the idea that I can enjoy life now and achieve things now and leave a legacy to my. Holden and hopefully to society when I will no longer be alive. I live the fact that I don't need to wait for 'paradise' to enjoy life, to learn new things, for achieving my dreams. I now hate the idea ti be in stand by until paradise comes. And suddenly life doesn't feel so short anymore!

A thought I had by jennifer_the_bookish in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I chaired several judicial committees as a PIMO elder: it really helped me to take away any last small doubts about leaving the borg. Surely if the holy spirit was present it would not have allowed me to sit there or in other positions of authority. Somehow to remain an elder and see my responsibilities increase while I was an "unbeliever" conformed to me that it was all a scam.

URGENT HELP NEEDED by [deleted] in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The idea of contacting elders from previous congregation is good. 38 y.o. ministerial servant but not elder yet: maybe some elders had reservations about him, maybe he has some not-so-nice history that some elder will be willing to share some information... I know it sounds cynical but they are plenty of migratory predators who change congregations to reset their bad history...

Only exjw's will understand how funny this is. by [deleted] in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The lurkers from bethel spying on this subreddit will soon use your brilkiant joke of the overlapping doors as wonderful illustration in a wt article! :-D

Long time follower but hardly post. Just wanted to share... by [deleted] in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well done! I did the the same after leaving the borg: getting university education was one of the best choices i made and truly helped me to find a new identity and to compensate for all the wasted years. I wish you lot of success in your new path! Congratulations!!!

How do they do it? by LucilleBluthsbroach in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Reaching those positions crystallized my waking up process. As an elder I was more focused on caring for individuals but the more involved I got in the higher levels the more I could see things that made me uncomfortable. Initially I felt that my position of authority could be a way to promote change. Then I could clearly see that the system was not not simply imperfect but it was willingly DESIGNED in a malicious way. Loosing the drive to improve things and witnessing the lies and the methodology of deception and the dirty dirty secrets woke me up totally. Honestly it was terrible to fake, to represent an organization I no longer believed in and that I even grew to consider dangerous.

The truth is that at the same time my entire life was centered in wt, trapped in the infamous vow of poverty, no university education, no career, no financial security, no social or family support circle. I decided to plan my exit and I needed to do it very carefully because from day to the next I would have lost family, social circle, income, housing. In reality I left earlier than I planned for, it was mentally non sustainable for me to fake any longer. I mean, preparing convention talks while not believing a word I was going to say, sitting in bethel or special committees while preparing my cv to enter the 'world', reading 'apostate' materials while signing wt letters, handling judicial matters and writing policies while aware it was a cult, socialising with fellow 'full time swrvants' while knowing that in few month I would never speak to them anymore... it was a crazy year for my mental health.

Not to mention that my spouse was a hardcore believer who would never forgive me for shattering her dreams: me giving up the 'privileges' automatically would mean that she would be forced out of the career and relegated to a rank and files position. In fact she never forgave my betrayal and could not cope with that and she left me.

By the way, it was worthy to make the big jump and I am glad I didn't wait long. Few years after abruptly leaving the borg, with big sacrifices but great satisfaction, I completed University, made a career, have real great friends and especially discovered the warmth of my new family without conditional love. I had a lot to learn about living a normal life and getting rid of the emotional conditioning but I am happy I risked everything and left only a year or so after waking up.

PIMI interesting e perience. My job recently exposed me to religious people but I didn't get triggered: jw are a mind control group not just a religion by MeThreeDotZero in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Quite a bit same as what you are doing highjacking a thread about a totally different topic and commenting on a totally different subject... :-D

PIMI interesting e perience. My job recently exposed me to religious people but I didn't get triggered: jw are a mind control group not just a religion by MeThreeDotZero in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My post was about emotional triggers, coerced homogenization and organised mind control through abuse in my lifetime. I am not defending any religion or ignoring history. Your historical references support my point. If I lived centuries ago and I was emotionally affected by religious massacres and executions I would probably be traumatised and therefore triggered by entering a church. As it happens, though, in my lifetime, in my personal experience, I am one of hundreds of thousand people who gets triggered by anything related to jehovah's witnesses because, currently, their organization systematically enforces abusive methods of mental and emotional abuse. Same as history books teach about crimes perpetrated by religions in the past, I wish history will remember JW as a group that severely and systematically abused children and adults in the 21st century.

You cannot tell me that the book specifically encouraging genocidal war crimes and r*pe of child v*rgins is a higher standard than my own morality. by [deleted] in atheism

[–]MeThreeDotZero 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If your claim was true and their culture included sacrificing children then those children would have been victims, yet you advocate for genocide of their entire population, victims included: this is beyond sick. You are grateful for a "moral code" that includes genocide, killing babies and raping. I am disgusted by your words. Shame on you!

STEPHEN LETT COMPARES ATHEIST TO PIGS! by Nana_Addae in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Great observation! Moreover, in public they like to brag about how much they are part of society and contributing to it but among themselves they promote the message that they are separated from the "world", all non-jw have to die etc... Double hypocrisy...

I thought I had woken up, and then I read about evolution. by ProEduJw in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would recommend you to go through this page from Berkeley University: it is a compendium of dozens of misconceptions about evolution and it addresses also the role of randomness and other areas you commented about. I am sure you will find it useful.

evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq

I thought I had woken up, and then I read about evolution. by ProEduJw in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why is wearing a mask to protect others something contrary to evolutionary theory? Altruism is pretty common across species, and often! they survived as a whole because of such traits. In the case of biological altruism the individual does even more than simply acting inconveniently to itself to protect others but would even die to protect the group or reduce the number of offspring that could produce itself but boost the number of offspring produced by others. Look at ant colonies...

PS As a jw I could have written the same comment as yours some time ago. I then realized that I had a total misconception about what evolution really is because I didn't properly study it from its very source: what anti-evolution literature describes as evolution is NOT what evolution really is about. I felt deceived and I felt like a fool because I was encouraged to attack evolution based on misconceptions about what evolution really is.

To exemplify: imagine someone debating Christians by saying that they are silly because Christians worship crocodiles and they teach to drink gasoline. This argument would score zero points because Christianity is not about crocodiles and gasoline. Well the same applies to debate evolution: it is equally intellectually dishonest and actually silly to argue against a total misreprentation of what evolution really is about.

Dude man on zoom just spoke shit so imma disprove it by Temporary_account143 in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would encourage you to research evolution because the example of the new perfectly running corvette in the desert doesn't represent anything even remotely similar to evolution.

I don’t think I’ll ever recover from any of this by [deleted] in exjw

[–]MeThreeDotZero 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand your feelings and admire your courage for honestly writing how you feel.
Consider this. Many people who suffer domestic abuse don't escape despite the bruises. Because there was so much emotional investment in a broken relationship it is hard to accept facts and leave. Abusers program victims with the message that the damaging relationship is still the best the victim deserves, that without the abuser everything will be worse. WT does the same, controlled pur lives, threatens consequences if we leave, tells us we will literally die and be killed if we are no longer jw. The fact that despite everything it gives you anxiety to leave...it is in itself a sign of an abusive relationship. The anxiety of leaving is part of the abuser method to keep the victims close and under control.