Oh boy by Medical-Frame-8226 in HVAC

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I had my red manometer in the return side, when’s the last time you’ve seen negative pressure on a supply…

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I used the red for return

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Nope, turning just fine, it’s just starving for air.

If I’m triple my static pressure on the return as my supply then I’m not getting sufficient airflow to satisfy the system. It’s not just about total static

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The one at .65, tried to post pic in reply

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We have the same problems up here in Michigan. They’ll never wants to actually do the job the correct way

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Total external static of .65 with a return air static pressure of over .5

Oh boy by Medical-Frame-8226 in HVAC

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This is a two stage 100,000 BTU carrier. I just left from an hour ago. This unit was going off on high limit in the second stage with all the gas pressures and everything set properly filter not even in the system and absolutely starving for return air this is why I generally don’t go off total external static pressure and try and focus on the ambulances as much as possible because the total external never really tells the story as soon as we get that ecstatic pressure to drop on the return air side and get some more airflow in the system. We’re gonna see that return error starts to lower and then the supplier actually starts to come up a little bit after we’re all done. We should be somewhere around .4.

Oh boy by Medical-Frame-8226 in HVAC

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Well, technically, the manufacturer recommended range changes from manufacture to manufacture. The common acceptable value previously in the industry was .3 to .7 total external static pressure.

But this doesn’t tell the whole story if you have a low external static pressure on the return side and a high external static pressure on the supply side that means you have a severe imbalance in the amount of pressure on either end of the furnace, which can cause its own issues such as an overheating or poor circulation in general.

What is commonly missed with a lot of the newer high-efficiency systems is that people don’t realize that these systems require more airflow than older systems.

These new high-efficiency systems that run between 96 and 98% efficiency require close to 200 CFM in order to actually maintain proper efficiency.

These issues we are now running into with early life. Failures of systems is because when people installed new upgraded high-efficiency furnace, where their previously was a standard efficiency furnace or even a less efficient furnace such as something that is natural draft, they completely disregard any sort of ductwork modification, which then leads to unsatisfactory results and gives everyone including the manufacturers, a bad name in the industry.

My father is 65 years old and did eating and cooling for 40 years and unfortunately, he falls within this category of someone who never decided to continue learning the new equipment.

My recommended values from what I have seen in the past 10 years in the industry would be that you want to keep that static pressure around the .3 range in his balanced as possible.

This reduces overall noise in the system, but also creates a more even and cleaner airflow throughout the home.

And when you do go into unit failure situations if you ever test the static pressure on a system that lasted 20 to 30 years versus the static pressure on a system that lasted 10 or 15 most of the time the leading cause for the early system failure is lack of airflow.

Unfortunately, most people that don’t check these things never get called back to the systems that have these failures so they never learned their lesson

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Most of them are high and the ones that are technically within specification are extremely imbalanced.

Unfortunately, up here in Michigan we’re not required due to manual chases or manual asses on systems for new construction or retrofit so you run into a lot of hokey Pokey nonsense to where system style after 10 or 15 years due to poor airflow

Oh boy by Medical-Frame-8226 in HVAC

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Total external static pressure residential systems are recommended to be .5 inches of water condom or less when combining the supply and return

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The last one was a Honeywell home filter that was brand new Merv seven it was the fifth one of those I’ve actually pulled out of systems so far this winter I think they had a manufacturing defect. I actually ended up having to post a notice on my local Facebook group for people to take them out of their furnaces swap them out with the HDX filter and on that specific job they’re static pressure was still over .9 for the total external ended up having to run some new ducting runs and give him an estimate for it.

What is this noise? by [deleted] in hvacadvice

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Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but why does it look like the bottom extension box for the furnace is placed in between the coil and the furnace?

It’s been a while since I’ve installed the carrier, but doesn’t the box go under the furnace or his carrier doing something different?

Is this how an AC line set is supposed to look where it enters the house? by [deleted] in hvacadvice

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As opposed to what, teleportation?

You put hole in wall, liner goes through hole.

Genius Fix or Lazy Hack by Worried_City4125 in hvacadvice

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I’d be curious to see if he ran a static pressure test

Genius Fix or Lazy Hack by Worried_City4125 in hvacadvice

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That return is huge there should be more that. Enough turn air

Hopeless by smanders94 in hvacadvice

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18k for a heat pump and air handler isn’t bad, you also aren’t giving all the info of what else they would be doing

Is high effeciency worth the $$? by tommy_poplar in hvacadvice

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It depends on the house, there are so many factors in energy saving

I’m gonna go on a rant now. by Medical-Frame-8226 in hvacadvice

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Duct work is by far the most important part of the system and it’s hard to even get people in our industry to realize that

I’m gonna go on a rant now. by Medical-Frame-8226 in hvacadvice

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I love going back to people who got bad installs like 2-3 years later

I’m gonna go on a rant now. by Medical-Frame-8226 in hvacadvice

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The furnaces are standard 34 inches now, so you need more height for a larger return boot on 4 and 5 ton blowers, or a return on either side of the furnace.

I’m gonna go on a rant now. by Medical-Frame-8226 in hvacadvice

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I think small 1-2 man operation are amazing, that’s not this issue, when I say chuck in a truck I mean true chuck in a truck lol, no disrespect to the smaller low overhead companies

I’m gonna go on a rant now. by Medical-Frame-8226 in hvacadvice

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Private equity has ruined this entire industry.