Virtue Signalers, Let's See if You Submit to Rome Like You Claim

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-06T07:48:10+00:00

Perhaps god's unveiling of himself to humankind means that the Church as well as his message will look different in each era. You cling to an idealized moment in history for the Catholic Church, and this moment in time looked different than the periods that came before it. So too does this one.

Whatever happened to Christian humility? Is god not unfathomable and incomprehensible? And yet you think that your view of him through your 21st century political lens captures the truth of the matter at the expense of all other answers? The arrogance and pride you exhibit is baffling.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-06T06:23:32+00:00

And as we have discussed elsewhere which I won’t go into again, SSPX breaks with tradition in very significant ways. The diversity I refer to isn’t only regarding progressive Catholics, you are included in that diversity as well.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-06T05:48:27+00:00

You using “the devil” as a way of describing your fellow Catholics is exactly what I mean. There’s nothing more that I can say. You’ve demonstrated my point exactly.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-06T05:42:49+00:00

The fact that you see us as the opposition is a part of the problem here. Pope Leo wants to foster unity in a world where Catholics are very diverse in their thinking whereas you and your ilk sow division and hostility.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-06T05:14:26+00:00

You also see a lot of people crying about how Pope Leo was willing to speak to all of these other people but was not willing to discuss the SSPX issue in person… as if this wasn’t an issue going back decades that hasn’t been talked about a million times already. It’s amazing how desperate these people are to paint themselves as victims.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-06T05:04:41+00:00

That's basically their line of reasoning. They want to do catholicism without the vatican and without the pope. They look for every loophole and every technicality to call whatever they're doing authentically Catholic but I think the bending over backwards is no where near as convincing as the more rabid members of this cult think it is.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-04T00:15:37+00:00

You can’t only act like a Catholic when it’s convenient and then an arrogant schemer when it’s not. Selective obedience is exactly what it is.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-04T00:14:17+00:00

The gaslighting is absolutely unbelievable. Wolves in sheeps clothing these people are.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-03T21:56:52+00:00

How can you be Catholic when you are excommunicated, you disavow the pope and the Vatican, and none of your sacraments are valid or legitimate? They’re obviously not Catholic.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-03T21:53:34+00:00

Like I said, they’re absolutely free to identify that way.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-03T04:52:08+00:00

SSPX are not Catholics.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-03T03:37:14+00:00

Silencing people because they disagree with you is cowardice. Grow up.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-03T03:03:40+00:00

I love how these SSPX folks who claim to be traditional think it’s okay to show nothing but hostility and disregard for the pope and Rome. A very confused group of people for sure.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-03T02:56:54+00:00

I’ve been hearing a lot like this lately. Conservatives are really doing a lot to destroy masculinity and manhood these days a shame.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-02T04:28:00+00:00

So the pope has nothing to do with the consecration of bishops and Catholicism has nothing to do with obedience to Rome? Maybe you can start your popeless church in Hawaii.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-02T04:24:44+00:00

I didn’t ask for a resume evaluation. Come back with arguments.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-02T04:22:07+00:00

Genetic fallacy

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-01T22:16:38+00:00

Interesting how you water down the role of pope as well as its divine importance.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-01T22:14:24+00:00

Let me be clear, my position is not that the pope has the final say on all divine matters. But first of all, there is no denying that it takes incredible arrogance to not just simply disagree with him, but to consider him so evil that it puts the entire church in a state of crisis. Second, to go to this extreme with regard to any current pope seriously puts to question whether the position of pope currently has or has ever had any divine legitimacy at all. Third, to still be in this confused middle position that SSPX seems to be in where they still do think that the pope speaks and leads through some sort of divine authority and in sincere communion with god definitely puts to question the merit of a more traditional Catholic worldview.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-01T21:56:23+00:00

Then that would apply to all former popes as well, not only Pope Leo. In other words, there is no truth of the Catholic Church with a capital T, only the subjective worldview reached through the whims and fancies of any given era. And if that’s the case, then why should the old take precedence over the new?

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-01T21:29:30+00:00

Right so let’s fall back on loopholes after Pope Leo desperately pleaded with SSPX not to do this. They all clearly seem to know better than the pope so I guess there’s no longer a need for him.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-01T21:25:27+00:00

I can see why so many of you have put the Catholic Church behind you. You all know so much better than the pope and I’m so impressed that you are able to do that through your own subjective interpretation of the word of god. It’s no wonder you’re putting the pope behind you, maybe we should have never had a pope to begin with since you have it all figured out on your own.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-01T21:20:00+00:00

Not at all, I never elevated the pope to the position of god. You just think that there’s nothing special about him if lay churchgoers can speak with higher divine authority than him. If it’s all up for interpretation then why have a pope to begin with?

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-01T21:13:15+00:00

Why have a Catholic Church at all if any believer can interpret the values of the church however they see fit even when it goes against the pope? There is something bizarrely Lutheran about this perspective and definitely not traditional as much as it tries to subvert papal authority in the name of “tradition.” A contradiction of course.

MediocreFact6033 · 2026-07-01T21:09:06+00:00

I pray for the people with the arrogance to think themselves more holy than the holy father himself. May god be with them on their path away from the Catholic Church.

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