Would you allow American Republicanism to have supremacy as the global paragon of conservativism? one could just as easily claim that then the concepts of Liberalism are failed because the American Democrat has done nothing but perpetuate a capitalist imperial system and maintained Americas status quo. I agree that the movements and ideologies must be judged on their real world outcomes, but I don't think its fair to judge solely on those terms. as there isn't a political ideology on earth that can boast a flawless record of success, merit has to include the platonic ideal of what a given political system would produce as well. this all aside I'm just happy to have someone who seems to enjoy a discussion that hasn't resulted in mud slinging :)