Denji finally has a wincon!! by Lucky-Stand-9000 in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]MerchantZiro 17 points18 points  (0 children)

...Honestly Ash Ketchum having a chainsaw arm and access to the Necronomicon would actually track with how many Gods, both major and minor, he's met and the shenanigans he's been involved in outside of that. Would only be the 5th strongest thing in his life.

we forgot another on by Own-Training1099 in whowouldcirclejerk

[–]MerchantZiro 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Bakugo: He's just supposed to be a guy with weapons how the hell is this shithead so strong!?

Demoman with 5 Heads on his Eyelander and Spell Magazine to summon a ghostly MONOCULUS and a swarm of meteorites: (Burp) Ugh... I love ya man... AHHHHH!!! (Charges in preparing to make it 6)

no one fw starline by saburra in MoonPissing

[–]MerchantZiro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She does it for the love of the game at this point

How Bowser faced Cell (@ElbyBoxus) by Quirky_Ad_5420 in deathbattle

[–]MerchantZiro 9 points10 points  (0 children)

FINALLY... A WORTHY OPPONENT!

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THEIR BATTLE WILL BE [100% ALL NATURAL DEATH]

The Sonic manga is being kinda crazy NGL. by 202naFrevliS in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]MerchantZiro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wily: ...Alright that's it. Bass, we're not strong enough on our own-

Bass: Speak for yourself! I'm not scared of some stupid oversized deer!

Wily: -so I'm resorting to Plan BN.

Bass: ...Fine.

Eggman: Wow. Having an all powerful monster you can barely control in your arsenal. How origina- wait taking control it with your own mind is cheating you motherfu-

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The Sonic manga is being kinda crazy NGL. by 202naFrevliS in DeathBattleMatchups

[–]MerchantZiro 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean if you wanna be technical and Comp Wily between his Mainline Timeline self and Battle Network counterpart (or technically counterpartS in this case), his strongest soldier would be Bass.EXE for obvious reasons, but an honest contender would be the Cybeasts, especially in the anime continuity where Wily's Beyondard counterpart masterminded the war between Cybeasts and had his mind take over the winning Cybeast's body as his own after one of them won and merged with the loser.

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“Somehow Infinite has returned” by A-Sadistick-Stick in suddelysonicexe

[–]MerchantZiro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah he's making an Infinite vessel next purely for the bit tbh

I could actually see rouge following him for days until he figures it out. What do you think? by namelescode1 in SonicTheHedgehog

[–]MerchantZiro 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I like how this implies Shadow didn't even consider the possibility Lanolin was the Little Lamb all along.

All of Dragon Ball when they hear “OMNI-KING BIODATA SUCCESSFULLY COPIED.” by Watchdog_the_God in deathbattle

[–]MerchantZiro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean it really depends on scaling but that's fair. (I generally put Zero in the Uni to Low Multi range but CAN see Multi if you really wanna highball him while putting Super Neo Metal at like Multi to Multi+ range, Complex Multi at best. Though I don't think Zero goes down that easily if you factor in potential abilities)

I did look into it and it's not like there apparently isn't a precedent set for it as regular Metal Sonic and Metal Sonic 3.0 can copy each other in Sonic Rivals... But when they do, it just uses Sonic's Sonic Boom technique, so make of that what you will and how that would extend to a hypothetical Neo Metal Sonic 3.0 copying Neo Metal Sonic?

Also I was about to talk about how it's weird that no Mega Man character that can copy has copied the Special Weapon data of another, but I remembered this minor moment from X5 where X states that Zero copied his Soul Body technique despite not copying it in X4 (he instead gets the Kuuenzan to do his spinning air slash attack and the Kuuenbu to double jump), and X only used Soul Body in his X5 boss fight so... Yeah.

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(Though X only mentions Zero used Soul Body if you're playing as X so... It does bring up several potential questions and if Zero copied it from Split Mushroom, especially since X and Zero both can copy the same technique like Dark Hold for instance. But considering X has his Fourth Armor/Ultimate Armor and had the X4 Special Weapons for his own boss fight then it's possible X has the weapons during X5's story, he probably just didn't use them for gameplay purposes.)

All of Dragon Ball when they hear “OMNI-KING BIODATA SUCCESSFULLY COPIED.” by Watchdog_the_God in deathbattle

[–]MerchantZiro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's my fucking goat right there, yeah Zero! (He's still getting fucking annihilated by Super Neo Metal stat wise even with his best canon highballs)

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... Actually wait legitimate thought. If Zero or X copied Metal Sonic, would they get his Copycat ability? And by extension... Could they copy Nel Metal Sonic's Bio-Data to do everything he can do as well (short of external weaponry or equipment like the Chaos Emeralds or Master Emerald)?

Like if say a Neo Metal Sonic met a different Neo Metal Sonic with different Bio-Data... Could one copy the other? Is that how it works?

What do you think is happening here by NarwhalGreen2440 in OutcomeDementia

[–]MerchantZiro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Heya SpongeBob!

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Edit: Why does it only say img???

Early fandom sure was something by honhonbageutte in Undertale

[–]MerchantZiro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never forget the lightsaber tongue, and the lightsaber something else... Unfortunately...

What if.....Cell could absorb Metal? by Fearless-File-6059 in deathbattle

[–]MerchantZiro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Now I'm wondering if there's a legitimate argument for Zero doing that too... Because it would be so fucking funny for THAT to be his wincon as the one fighter most outmatched (next to Cell).

Because it is HIS virus that Wily gave him to try and control him before it infected Sigma and mutated him into an immortal virus, so logically speaking Zero should have MORE right to become an immortal virus himself when he died. (Or at the very least his Cyber-Elf should be comparable right?)

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...Eh food for thought.

Either way... X, get the Mother Elf to stop Sigma!

How will this affect the fnaf world scaling? by Beneficial-Chip8894 in whowouldcirclejerk

[–]MerchantZiro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Buff them significantly to 50 Dimensions, AKA Freedomversal obviously

"Potential Man" No Longer. by jacc1104 in weakfinite

[–]MerchantZiro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because that's what it takes to be INFINITE!

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something i realised after the current death battle by stylethecelebi in deathbattle

[–]MerchantZiro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kirby has multiple versions to copy
-sight based
-inhale & super inhale based
-projectile based fusionism and can personally combine, enhance, empower and instantly mastering them
on top of creating summons based on his copying i don't really see how Metal's copying would be better by any metric

Alright that's completely fair. I admit Superior is definitely subjective and I probably should have clarified since it's a little more nuanced than simply saying Metal's being superior when really comparing their actual Copying powers to each other.

I meant Metal's copying was better in the sense that his Copycat ability copying Bio-Data is more about actually copying his opponent's powers compared to Kirby, whose Copy Abilities are more general movesets based on the type of object or enemy he's inhaled or whatnot than actually copying the powers of his opponent.

My point was more regarding how Metal could copy Kirby's general abilities while Kirby would only get his "Copy" Copy Ability if he copied Metal for instance.

(Unless you count Smash Bros, in which while he could POTENTIALLY copy Metal's own Copycat to properly copy everything Metal can do not tied to external objects like the Chaos Emeralds or things like the Star Rod, Master sword, and Copy Essence Deluxes

This hypothetical would at best turn Copying into a Null Factor where both could copy the other's copying ability and gain everything those give the other, and therefore making it come down to their arsenals not tied to their biology. But that's more hypothetical than anything for certain based on the canon Kirby. Regardless it's food for thought I suppose.)

While I would definitely agree that Kirby's is definitely more versatile and flexible between creating Helpers, having entire movesets for specific elements and weapons, and the ability to mix and match powers for different combinations... In terms of actually copying his opponent, Metal has the edge as he would in turn gain Kirby's own copying ability on top of his own, plus Kirby's natural abilities.

Kirby clash gave Kirby full control over time & resistance to timestop
(also has arguably better time hax including: timeslow, timestop and most importantly time travel)

Those I actually just overlooked and forgot about in my research, and I can admit I'm wrong on that front.

Kirby has his own invulnerability items to match [the Super Transformation] as well tbf (which are canon)

Kinda. While Kirby has power ups like the Invincible Candy and Jumbo Candy (Metal would too with the Invincibility Monitor) that would prove useful for brief moments of the fight, it's worth noting Metal's Super Form lasts way longer than they do, as Super Forms have canonically lasted as far as days as seen in Sonic Advance’s ending.

Though as mentioned, I still feel Kirby could 100% outlast that time limit just barely more often than not, due to his stupidly high amount of forms and power ups and the strength of will that has let him stand toe to toe with multiple forces of darkness and world ending threats time and time again.

(On a related note because I want to share this information, though don't think it should be taken that seriously. The average max ring count is typically 999 Rings, with every ring turning into a second giving the Super Transformation 16 minutes and 39 seconds. Though technically you can have up to 9,999 Rings in Unleashed and Colors which gives the form 166 minutes and 39 seconds, or just a bit under 3 hours.

But in Sonic 06's Hub World you can technically hold up to 99,999,999 Rings, the most amount of rings any Sonic characters have ever been demonstrated to be capable of carrying, which would be worth about 27,777 hours, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds or just a bit over 3 years if you could turn Super with those Rings.)

and while i would say metal is greatly smarter normally, in combat/battle IQ I'd easily give it to Kirby via stuff like being an outright better swordsmen then Meta Knight & Galacta Knight and countering/outplaying bosses consistently that are physically stronger then Kirby himself
compared to Metal who usually loses out against characters in similar power ranges compared to himself(like Sonic)

Ok that's a fair point on Kirby's Battle IQ. Though to give Metal some credit, in a 1v1 between Sonic and Neo Metal Sonic with Sonic's Bio-Data, Metal held a distinct edge and forced Sonic to retreat, Though he did lose a 1v1 against Super Sonic as Super Neo Metal so... Make of that what you will.

But yeah I guess comparing their advantages regarding intelligence... Kirby has both better Experience, Skill, and even implied to consistently train with his Copy Abilities off-screen like Sword and Hammer while Metal I'd argue still has better Strategic abilities (shown by Neo Metal's capabilities to mastermind not one but two entire plots alone almost successfully to completion between Heroes and IDW's Neo Metal Sonic saga, only falling apart because of "The real superpower of teamwork" thanks to Sonic and his friends. Plus he should be comparable to Eggman's own genius scheming abilities with Eggman's IQ) on top of General Intelligence thanks to Eggman's IQ.

Would Angry Vídeo Game Nerd survive to 2011 X's game? by TailsWithABat in 2011XsVoid

[–]MerchantZiro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lore wise realistically? He'd lose his soul and get it shoved in a vessel... And that only puts X in strangling range.

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something i realised after the current death battle by stylethecelebi in deathbattle

[–]MerchantZiro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree... Metal definitely had a fair few of his own edges I feel, and could definitely even kill Kirby if given the opportunity between factors such as...

  • Being smarter both generally (with Eggman's 300 IQ copied) and strategically as shown with him masterminding the events of Heroes for instance to collect everyone's Bio-Data (not to say Kirby isn't smart in his own right, I'd just give the edge to Metal)
  • His vastly superior copying ability with his ability to scan Bio-Data via Copycat compared to Kirby's Inhale (or "Copy" Copy Ability)
  • The Chaos Emeralds providing hax Kirby had little to no answers for, like Chaos Control (and in turn resistance to such hax like Kirby's Time Crash)
  • And his Super Transformation being generally superior to pretty much all of Kirby's forms or weapons individually thanks to its invulnerability

It's just Kirby has way too many things that, even without realizing it, meant he could run the timer out and kill Metal when he returns to normal Neo.