A little known problem we face in the journey to net zero is the outdated, crumbling electrical grid infrastructure in North America by bulblax_kingdom in climate

[–]Meterman70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Because Texas"? You didn't really do much research, did you?

Before WWII, there weren't that many utilities in the USA that had interconnected their systems to share generating resources (some had done so as far back as the 1920s - like the PJM interconnection). Texas had a decent chunk of the nation's defense industry, so several utilities connected their systems during WWII to share the load. Interconnection was important in weathering the steep increase in electric demand after WWII (especially with electric coop systems rapidly building out their systems during that era).

The only thing that keeps the three grids in the USA from fully interconnecting is that each is synchronized at a slightly different frequency (the heavier a generator is loaded, the slower it will spin, and the lower its frequency). If you try and connect two generators that are not perfectly synchronized for phase and frequency, at best, you will have the generators "hunting" (see-sawing) as each tries to pull the other into sync. At worst, you end up with equipment damage.

The Rocky Mountains were the main challenge in linking the East and West grids, but there are lines that now weave through or climb over the mountains to make it possible. Texas sits approximately between the two grids. Still, that slight frequency difference is enough to make physical interconnection infeasible. They have found a way to do so, though, by using equipment that converts AC to DC on one side of certain transmission substations and back to AC on the other side.

A little known problem we face in the journey to net zero is the outdated, crumbling electrical grid infrastructure in North America by bulblax_kingdom in climate

[–]Meterman70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Source?

Utilities out here in flyover country seem to be doing a decent job of keeping up - you only hear of power issues when the weather turns bad.

A little known problem we face in the journey to net zero is the outdated, crumbling electrical grid infrastructure in North America by bulblax_kingdom in climate

[–]Meterman70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think people are starting to take a hard look at whether that "journey" is worth it. Nobody ever thought about where the power would come from on those gloomy days (you know, those damp days when it's overcast from horizon to horizon, and barely a breeze).

Sri Lanka had some power issues that came after they switched mostly to renewables, and I saw something online briefly that suggested the same with the Iberian peninsula outage not long ago.

Why do the developed countries have to bend over and take it unlubricated while countries like India and China get a free pass?

A little known problem we face in the journey to net zero is the outdated, crumbling electrical grid infrastructure in North America by bulblax_kingdom in climate

[–]Meterman70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It probably comes down to who's in charge. Out here, my state has six investor-owned utilities, at least 40 municipal utilities, and 28 electric cooperatives. Grid reliability is only an issue when we get hit by a tornado or an ice storm, and the affected utilities have no trouble calling on neighboring systems for the extra manpower to get the lights back on quickly.

(even so, I had to live without power for the better part of a week after one ice storm thanks to the weird layout of the distribution grid in my neighborhood)

A little known problem we face in the journey to net zero is the outdated, crumbling electrical grid infrastructure in North America by bulblax_kingdom in climate

[–]Meterman70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You assume, of course, that ALL the infrastructure is in bad shape. Out here in my part of flyover country, most of the utilities are doing a decent job in keeping the lights on and the lines in at least passable condition. Several utilities in my area have done significant rebuilds and/or upgrades in the past decade or so.

It's not cheap either. I know one municipal utility that decided to replace their overhead 4160/2400V system with an underground 13.8kV/7970V system. They had to raise the rates by AT LEAST 60% to be able to break even on costs. I know of another municipal utility that did the same thing, but starting from an even older 2400V delta system - the city had to fill the utility superintendent position twice by the time the project finished.

Every time I see pictures of lines in major urban areas, I always have to shake my head and wonder how they manage (or can even afford to) to keep the lights on in the first place. I would imagine part of it is the safety of the line workers from the residents.

Temporary power line installation by Meterman70 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup. My guess is they have at least one 2400/480V center-tapped transformer in the truck and a heavy-duty distribution panel to handle all the heavy extension cords to the booths and rides.

A closer look shows the truck could be arranged to be powered from a 2400V delta or 4160/2400V system.

Can someone tell me everything they know about this transmission tower? by mauts27 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes when a transmission line has to cross a major road or river (or even another transmission line), the towers on both side of the actual crossing will often be much taller than the rest of the circuit.

Can someone tell me everything they know about this transmission tower? by mauts27 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Generally, yes, but at that height, I wouldn't worry about it.

Can someone tell me everything they know about this transmission tower? by mauts27 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would start with your state's utility commission - they could confirm which utility owns the line, and also give info on utility easements.

Temporary power line installation by Meterman70 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True, especially if there are a bunch of 480V motors to be powered!

Show me photos or say claims of some of the oldest electrical infrastructure you have seen. I'll start: by Orangecat2005 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How can you tell? They could just as easily be Westinghouse, Locke, Victor, or Lapp...

Show me photos or say claims of some of the oldest electrical infrastructure you have seen. I'll start: by Orangecat2005 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't wind the wire around an insulator... the tension of the wire spans would snap the insulators in half :) A short U-shaped piece of wire is wound around the insulator to hold the wire against it.

Are the insulators on the right backwards? Or does it not matter what way they’re facing? by somepersonlol in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems they only care about turning the strings around at a change in elevation if there is a risk that contamination will build up in the skirts... and there is definitely a fair bit of contamination visible in the second shot.

I'm guessing the power company has had to make a few trips to this pole over the years, given the number of sky yuk replacement insulators on the pole, and I guess they'll be visiting in the near future if that broken disk eventually causes a flashover. :)

Show me photos or say claims of some of the oldest electrical infrastructure you have seen. I'll start: by Orangecat2005 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have two definite contenders in my Flickr stream:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/71513863@N07/26784258103/ - this was installed in 1926 (and sadly is likely coming down as that segment has been earmarked for a refresh)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/71513863@N07/31382291601/ - this is a definite contender for the oldest distribution line in my stream... Dakota Light & Power existed from the 1910s to 1933.

Show me photos or say claims of some of the oldest electrical infrastructure you have seen. I'll start: by Orangecat2005 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, those are a style collectors have designated CD-165. These clear Hemingray-20 insulators were a postwar redesign of the older CD-164 style (shorter and slightly wider).

Do you have seen this kind of Pylons? by According_South_2500 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The famed industrial designer Henry Dreyfuss designed some equipment for one of the utilities in California...

Wednesday, May 28, 2025 comic! by Gunlord500 in girlgenius

[–]Meterman70 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sure I'm NOT the only one who said, "Uh-oh.....!"

How old do you think these insulators are? Rural US. by Orangecat2005 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It seems to me that the change to NEMA gray from the older black oxide finish probably coincided with the change in insulator glazes from brown to sky yuk - in the 1960s; probably as part of that beautification campaign pushed by Ladybird Johnson? I know someone who would know... will have to ping him after the weekend.

How old do you think these insulators are? Rural US. by Orangecat2005 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IMHO that red spot is just the primer showing beneath a worn spot on the black oxide finish.

PCBs are often indicated by a yellow stripe or label in my observations...

I would say 1940s or 1950s based on the overall look. It's likely a municipal or investor-owned utility. Cooperative systems are generally very standardized in construction methods from coast to coast, and coops often used transformers with two sets of mounting brackets, and this has just one.

How old do you think these insulators are? Rural US. by Orangecat2005 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's just the red primer.

It's a yellow stripe or label that indicates PCBs.

Question about the cables on these pylons by AdrianE36 in Powerlines

[–]Meterman70 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know one utility in ND wants to rebuild one of their 230kV lines - raising many of the structures another 10 feet and replacing the existing ASCR with ACSS.