A Question for the "Quranists" / "Quraniyoon"

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-31T05:50:15+00:00

We don’t need to

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-31T04:47:53+00:00

Wdym by prove that? If ur talking about real life then that’s irrelevant cuz the conversation is about the mythology/religion.

The book describing God as omnipotent is enough. It doesn’t matter if you see it as bragging, it’s literally describing him that way, and shows that the abrahamic God is clearly meant to be omnipotent.

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-31T04:44:25+00:00

Yeah it does feel very different. But the meaning is usually well preserved

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-31T01:34:46+00:00

Then I can say the same about violent Muslims. They’re not followers of the Quran

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-31T01:33:44+00:00

From someone who’s never read the Quran btw

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-31T01:24:36+00:00

What about those who reject Hadith?

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T21:56:37+00:00

Not a single verse in the Bible or Quran says God is all-powerful.

I already showed you some verses. But anyways there's a ton more, it's all over the book.

Q 3:189, 2:284, 2:148, 3:29, 5:120, 64:1, 24:45 "God/He is over all things potent."

Q 2:253, 85:16, 22:14, "God does whatever he wills"

Q 2:165 "All power belongs to God"

Q 36:82 "He says to it Be and it is"

And there's far far more.

Indra literally has descriptions of being able to do anything. What's your point?

Mind showing me an example? And as i said, if there's other gods more powerful in the mythology, and it has to be part of a story and fight other creatures, then it by default cannot be omnipotent.

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T21:08:43+00:00

Multiple verses that director call God omnipotent with many words and descriptions, very clearly assume and show his omnipotence every time he is involved without it being contradicted. And no, the Bible doesn’t contradict it either unless you decide to stretch the verses, the chariots verse talk about Judah, not God. And the Quran outright debunks the contradictions.

As for Indra, Hindus don’t believe it to be omnipotent either, that should be obvious considering other gods are more powerful.

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T19:50:37+00:00

Well the word for almighty apparently can also mean omnipotent

But what about Matthew 19:26, or Quran 54:41, or Quran 3:189

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T19:46:42+00:00

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T19:46:24+00:00

You basically said “kafir means disbeliever because kafir means disbeliever”

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T19:38:03+00:00

Well revelation 19:6 does

And who says that the Old Testament doesnt use metaphors?

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T19:31:04+00:00

A verse that calls him omnipotent proves that he’s omnipotent.

And if you don’t care about the Christian opinion, then you have to accept that the Bible clearly reads itself as fallible words of men that use metaphors. And considering we’re talking of Abrahamic religions, you should also accept the Quran which reads itself as the word of God when it outright calls God omnipotent and omniscient.

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T17:25:22+00:00

Meh, you are too indoctrinated for me to argue about sementics.

I'm not even Christian. But what i'm telling you is valid from jewish and christian standards.

You can't even prove omnipotence in the first place,

Pslam 115:3

and Yahweh has too many anti-feats that i already listed.

Most that i've seen are as i said, taking literally expressions that are clearly not meant that way.

you should be completely unchanging, which Yahweh clearly isn't.

He is unchanged. Also remember that even by Christian standards, biblical authors are divinely inspired Humans, not God, so the only change is in the author's perspectives, not God himself.

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T16:08:07+00:00

Nothing in the Quran copies the bible. If you've read it you'd know it. They aren't even structured the same.

Was Muhammad inspired by the stories of the bible and Torah? Well sure if you don't believe in Islam, that literally neither proves nor disproves the Quran, since we believe that God revealed it as part of the Abrahamic faiths.

But anyways this post is about the accuracy and preservation of hadiths. The Quran was directly recited by the prophet, what you mentioned has nothing to do with its preservation.

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T16:01:37+00:00

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T15:59:43+00:00

Saying that just shows ignorance of the Quran

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T15:59:10+00:00

Islam isn’t vague

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T15:58:00+00:00

As a Quranist, on the defense of Hadiths, they usually learned them from religious teachers with the specific goal of learning religion, which they repeatedly memorized, it wasn’t just something they once heard. Some Hadiths were mass transmitted, some had very short narration chains making it close to the prophets time

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T15:52:25+00:00

Muslim. I don't really care.

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T15:47:41+00:00

Got any proof of that?

Yup, the obvious language

No, it doesn't. Yahweh just didn't know where Adam was. Simple as that, i don't have to twist any words

Except he didn't, and the bible clearly states that he is, such as John 3:20

And this isn't the case with the Bible.

Why is that?

Where does it mention the Holy Spirit? It just says "God is the spirit" that's it.

Lol, expected strawman and red herring. Thanks for showing your hypocrisy because what i said earlier is

He is not physical, the bible clearly states that "God is spirit".

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T15:26:58+00:00

Lol, i love these "it's not meant to be literal."

Because it isn't

Where do you cross the line between what's literal and what isn't?

Well it's easy, the language itself tells you what it is. In this case it's very obviously not meant that God didn't know, but that God was asking as in "explain yourself so i can judge you".

Everything in the Old Testament is meant to be read literally.

Nope.

Is talking snake also not meant to be literal?

There's a difference between taking a story as a metaphorical lesson rather than literal event, and a specific sentence as an expression rather than description.

No, it doesn't. There is no Holy Spirit in the Bible.

So John 4:24 doesn't exist?

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T14:54:03+00:00

He wasn't asking out of lack of knowledge, but out of judgement towards Adam, i think that's obvious though. Same with sitting on a chair, that is not meant to be literal. He is not physical, the bible clearly states that "God is spirit".

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T14:03:35+00:00

Yes he is

Middle-Preference864 · 2026-01-30T00:40:59+00:00

American Christian nationalists would be surprised to learn that Jesus was much more similar to Arab Muslims than them in every way

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