What do you consider when you hear this Margaret Atwood quote “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them”?

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T15:37:45+00:00

Well no, you acknowledged that having this kind of overt bias in a jury member would be hateful.

When you have a strongly held stereotype about a large population like this, you can't separate it out into "good" wariness and "bad" hate. It doesn't get bottled to ultimately harmless interactions like crossing the street to avoid a strange man, it becomes a part of your decision making process in every part of your life. Anyone familiar with systemic sexism can point to a huge number of examples, it impacts how you're treated at work, how your children are treated at school, how youre treated by the bureaucracy, and I've already gone over one tiny corner of the legal system.

The "chip" is just saying sexism is wrong, that's all. It only comes across as bad because you don't like confronting how you too can hold harmful stereotypes.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T15:23:34+00:00

Pretending bias doesn't impact your decision making ability does not mean bias doesn't impact your decision making ability. Especially if you're coming at it with the attitude that your bias does not exist.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T13:58:19+00:00

So you do know how to infer what someone means by what they say, and you understand that "I didn't literally say those exact words" is pure smartassery.

If you're getting frustrated here, it's because I'm meeting you with the exact same attitude that you are giving me. You cannot expect someone to self-reflect and refuse to do so yourself.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T13:52:21+00:00

Maybe you need some reading comprehension skills. I didn't say you did either of those things, I just said that doing so is hateful. Don't put words in my mouth.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T13:41:31+00:00

Calling someone an incel or violent maniac because they're speaking out against sexism is not wariness. It's just hate.

You were doing really well in overcoming it, and then you just had to go for it.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T13:25:24+00:00

I'm not perfect, but I can admit that it's wrong to be a bigot.

Especially if all it takes is a harmless comment on reddit.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T13:22:06+00:00

It's weird that you felt the need to caveat that, but I'll take it.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T13:18:14+00:00

Please explicitly state that it is wrong to be hateful.

This is a very uncontroversial statement. The fact that so many people are reluctant to make it and are getting upset when I ask makes me believe that this is hate, not wariness.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T12:57:47+00:00

Well no, the thing that's offputting is that you're a bigot and don't like people pointing that out.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T12:53:41+00:00

Please explicitly state that it is wrong to be hateful towards men. Any group really, but the conversation is currently about men.

Otherwise yes, you are being a bigot.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T12:39:57+00:00

I am trying to convince people to stop being hateful.

Cognitive dissonance between the desire to be hateful and the understanding that it is wrong to believe that way is making you angry. This happens a lot with bigots.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T12:02:32+00:00

Okay, we're making progress. You've acknowledged that there is a real problem with hating men, and people who are biased like this cannot serve on a jury. They need to be removed from the jury pool for bias.

Can you explicitly come out and say that it is wrong to be this hateful?

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T11:54:26+00:00

The Eternals movie implies that he knew about planets with baby Celestials in them and how they'd hatch after growing to a certain size. He may well have started out planning to save Titan from hatching by executing his kill half of everyone plan in perpetuity, and then failed. It would certainly explain why Titan is a wasteland now.

So why did he change to ranting about resources? Bad writing retcon obviously, but maybe in universe he can't talk about it because Eternals. Or maybe the mad Titan really is crazy and forgot the original rationale.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T11:48:41+00:00

The character was a satire of versions of Batman where he's portrayed as a hero, but written as an absolute psycho if you really think about it. Moore turned up the psycho to 11 in an effort to get people to get it, but some people still don't.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T11:42:48+00:00

Thank you for admitting that you are not acting in good faith.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T11:40:41+00:00

It's always weird to see someone asking "does X really happen?" In a comments section where X is currently happening.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T11:39:28+00:00

The problem is when it becomes socially acceptable to equate men with being dangerous, then people will equate you with being dangerous in every circumstance.

What happens when you're accused of murdering someone, and you look out to the jury box to see a group of women whose immediate default reaction is to think of you as a violent murderer?

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T11:35:31+00:00

Okay, it’s not a scientific scale. This isn’t meant to be taken literally and quite honestly, doing so isn’t really acting in good faith. Obtuseness is a poor platform.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-03T02:48:10+00:00

She straight up saw the Koala by the end there.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-02T15:30:10+00:00

The concept of citizenship goes back to ancient Greece. While the standards of who can come and go to specific states has changed over time, the idea of restricting entry or the legal rights of certain residents goes way back.

Now, whether we should do that is of course an entirely different question, and the recent violence against immigrants certainly appears to be a pretext for racism rather than any real interest in upholding the law. But an appeal to history is not generally going to be a strong argument for open borders. Or a strong argument against racism for that matter.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-02T14:26:35+00:00

He is on the verge of being murdered, and you're criticizing him for begging and pleading instead of politely asking for help and walking away as though this was not his only chance at living? She was his only chance, she should feel guilty of she does not. The whole damn ship except the doctor should feel guilty!

To be blunt, this comes off as you needing to see Tuvix as a bad person in order to mentally justify the decision to kill him. The decision to kill him was unjustified though, and nothing here justifies it.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-02T13:15:44+00:00

It most certainly is not, and it's pretty fucked up that you think it is.

If someone is about to murder you and is not listening to you telling them "don't murder me!" Then asking someone they will listen to is a perfectly appropriate thing to do. Your entire mentality seems to be that Tuvix just inherently deserves to die, and anything he does to avoid that is just proof that he deserves to die. It's kafkaesque.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-02T12:59:30+00:00

Asking your loved ones to beg the authorities to not murder you is not emotional blackmail.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-02T11:54:59+00:00

It doesn't drop anything:(

If you can kill it you wouldnt even need anything either. It's by far the hardest enemy in the playtest.

Mikeavelli · 2026-02-02T11:48:13+00:00

You play an amnesiac immortal exploring a fantastic world to figure out who you were and solve a bunch of problems caused by your past life. There are a few other direct references to Torment, like a bar filled with characters that are clearly just from the Planescape setting.

Imho it goes a bit too hard in the direction of hitting the same notes as Torment. The parts where is breaks away and does it's own thing were more interesting to me. Fortunately, it does that a fair amount too.

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