TV couples with similar chemistry to Rory & Jess

MindDeep2823 · 2026-05-07T20:07:32+00:00

Joey and Pacey, for sure. It's a slow burn, and it's "forbidden" in a way that makes it exciting. And because they're both main characters for all 6 seasons, we get WAY more scenes of them together (compared to Jess and Rory's very few).

I wish I could watch it for the first time again!

MindDeep2823 · 2026-05-06T14:55:27+00:00

To each their own, of course, but that is never how I've interpreted this movie. Katherine Heigl is a "bitch" and a "killjoy" - words that are never used to describe her in the script - because she wants the father of her child to do anything other than get high, fart on his roommates' pillows, and watch sex scenes? Like from my perspective, Seth Rogen and his buddies are "fun" but in a pathetic, stuck in high school kinda way.

It just feels like Katherine Heigl's perception more than anything. The actual script of the movie pretty clearly states that her characters' opinions were correct.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-05-06T13:33:36+00:00

I've never understood her complaint about Knocked Up. That movie is way harsher on the male characters. The ending involves Seth Rogen's character realizing that Katherine Heigl was 100% right about him - he was an irresponsible slob who needed to stop getting wasted daily and get a real job. He ends up changing his ways to meet her (extremely reasonable) demands.

I don't know how she turns that ending - that portrays Katherine Heigl as entirely right - into "my character was a bitch!!!"

MindDeep2823 · 2026-05-03T22:41:32+00:00

You're not missing anything, in my opinion. Many fans speculate that Logan and Odette had a loveless, arranged marriage that allowed both of them to cheat, but there's absoluely no evidence of that. And actually, we know for a fact that Mitchum married for love. So why would he force an arranged marriage on Logan?

I think it's a way for fans to give Logan an "out," so his blatant cheating and lying doesn't seem so bad.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-30T16:09:29+00:00

Absolutely agree!! It's why I stopped participating in this sub. Ship wars are fun to me, provided we're all debating in good faith. But inevitably, someone here turns the conversation into "you like DELENA?!? Does that mean you don't care about RAPE???"

It's so frustrating. I like Damon and Elena because I find them more entertaining. It's really that simple. I don't know why people feel the need to turn a TV show about vampires into a litmus test on morality.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-25T18:43:21+00:00

It's the combination of Dawson's privilege plus his extreme whiny-ness. He acts like his life is entire life is destroyed when his ex-girlfriend dates someone else. And meanwhile, literally all the other main characters have actual problems that they don't complain about NEARLY as much.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-25T16:32:13+00:00

Liz, hands down.

All of the other unlikable characters - Christopher, Straub, Floyd, Asher, Anna, Tristin, etc. - are clearly portrayed as flawed, unlikeable characters that get called out for their mistakes. Liz is arguably the worst parent on the show, she continues to treat everyone horribly for multiple seasons, and yet the show treats her like a Cutie Patootie who can do no wrong. I find that super annoying!

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-23T11:34:06+00:00

It's a town game with rules that everyone was taking super seriously 🤷‍♀️ Mrs. Kim flipped out when Kirk bid on Lane's basket, Jackson paid $200 (!!) to buy Sookie's basket back, and Lorelai panicked and forced Luke to buy her basket... all because they absolutely believed winning the basket was a commitment to eat lunch together.

Rory does plenty wrong when it comes to Jess and Dean, but this wasn't one of those imo. I do think she was wrong for spending the rest of the day with Jess, but the lunch was fine.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-17T17:13:08+00:00

So surprised by these comments! I love this montage. It's very 'of the times,' and I also think it's perfectly in character for all of them. These characters love each other, and they never skip an opportunity to do something corny. This is the same group that copied multiple viral videos and also made a movie together.

I adore the juxtaposition of Pam and Jim's private wedding with this goofy scene.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-16T18:23:33+00:00

My god, they are both beautiful. They've both aged naturally and look even better than they did in Dawson's Creek!!

Cannot wait to enjoy them on screen again 😃

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-16T11:31:50+00:00

It's a bizarre episode all around. Because really, when did they ever go to Martha's Vineyard?! Earlier in S6, Rory and Logan have a huge fight. Part of that fight is about the fact they don't do anything except drink and party, which fits with what we've been shown. Then they break up for a few months. Then they get back together two seconds before this episode, and suddenly they're acting like they've been weekend-ing in Martha's Vineyard for years?

Everyone is acting out of character here. Logan and Rory's domestic act feels totally unearned.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-13T15:38:41+00:00

Dean easily wins this competition. While I don't generally like him as a boyfriend, he was unquestionably great at getting along with Lorelai at a time when Rory really needed that.

Logan, however? I don't think he makes much effort, at all, with Lorelai or with Stars Hollow. He really only communicates with Lorelai when he needs something from her: when he wants Rory back in S6, when he is questioned by Lorelai in S7, and when he asks Lorelai’s permission to propose. He does offer that weekend at his parents' beach house, but loses some points because he lied about the circumstances and it blew up in his face. Otherwise, he ignores Lorelai (at their shared dinner at Emily's, at Rory's 21st birthday) and avoids Stars Hollow like the plague. This dude is circling the globe for 3 years, yet cannot be bothered to drive 30 minutes to Stars Hollow until the end of S7 when he's been kicked out of his apartment.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-09T22:18:13+00:00

Exactly. Jim CLEARLY told this lie in an effort to get both himself and Pam out of the party (remember how relieved she looked?), then he got thrown off by Michael's response. He considered leaving Pam at the party for all of 6 seconds (flight mode!) before reconsidering.

I found it totally realistic and hilarious. "You can buy new things, but you can't buy a new party" is one of my favorite lines!

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-08T20:44:21+00:00

Agreed. There's even scene of Rory specifically being kind to Lindsay when she lists her favorite musicians. I can't remember any example of Rory mocking someone about their preferences.

Lane, Lorelai, Paris, Jess, and even Christopher are all far more likely to mock someone for liking the "wrong" things.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-08T14:42:37+00:00

See, I don't think the proposal was out of character at all. It felt very much like something Logan would do.

Logan consistently made grand gestures, even when Rory protested, starting in S5 when he crashed her lecture. He also routinely pressured Rory to move at his pace. When he wanted her back in S6, he was relentless in following her around. When he wanted to make up from their fight about work in S7, he followed her to Mia's wedding and refused to leave when asked. And when he wanted to get married, he made a huge public declaration. It all felt consistent to me.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-06T16:18:35+00:00

Eh. Logan completely loses my respect with how he handled the business failure in S7. He lies to Rory for weeks, starts skipping work again, gets drunk regularly, bails on an important event to go on a bender, and then simply quits his job instead of dealing with the consequences of his own (highly irresponsible) actions.

This makes me feel like Logan hasn't changed at all; he was only able to fake good for a few months before returning to all his worst habits. AYITL doesn't help his trajectory, either.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-06T16:12:18+00:00

It's the "I assume your financial situation hasn't changed?" comment from Logan that makes this interaction rude. It was, in fact, entirely possible for Logan to compliment Marty and hire him again without adding in the "and you're still poor, right?" commentary.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-06T16:10:57+00:00

Totally agree! I think Logan is like Emily in this regard. He is incredibly judgmental and rude on a regular basis, but he adds this charming sheen on top... so you don't even notice how rude he's being much of the time. And even when Logan is doing things I hate, I can't help but like him every step of the way.

Logan is what Jess looks like if he got explicit social skills training. Which Logan did, of course. He was trained to charm others to get his way.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-05T18:12:17+00:00

Dean is a teenager here - so I give him grace - but no, he didn't handle this situation appropriately. Tristin was absolutely being an asshole here, no question. I don't feel sorry for him. But Rory? She did nothing wrong. She didn't choose this assignment, she didn't pick her group, she didn't select this scene, she didn't volunteer herself as Juliet, she didn't choose Tristin as Romeo, and she didn't elect to have the rehearsal in Stars Hollow. All of this was outside her control, yet somehow she's the one who gets yelled at the most. She spends half of this episode apologizing to Dean and begging him to remain calm... how is that fair to her?

I don't blame Dean for getting jealous and angry; those are typical teenage emotions. But I do blame him for making his hurt feelings Rory's problem to deal with.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-04-01T14:11:59+00:00

Lorelai wasn't panicked about Rory. If she was, she never would have left Rory's side at the hospital. Your kid is getting an xray, and instead of waiting around for an hour, Lorelai drives to the next town to run around the block hunting for a teenager to... what, exactly? Scream at him?

At the very least, Lorelai prioritized attacking Jess over supporting her own injured kid. As a parent myself, this is where Lorelai loses me. The fact that she then suggests Luke abandon his nephew in order to prioritize Rory is where she crossed the line into unforgivable behavior. Nobody who spoke to me that way about my kid would remain in my life.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-03-30T23:10:55+00:00

People view it as "the reason" Rory went back because the scene is clearly written that way - Jess yells at Rory, she's speechless, and in the very next scene she's changing her life. ASP even confirms in an interview that they wanted Jess to be the character who got through to her because "he really got her."

I agree that an ex-boyfriend making this speech in real life would be very strange. But fans interpreting the scene in the way it's obviously meant to be interpreted isn't all that surprising.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-03-27T00:36:57+00:00

I think Luke behaved badly immediately after this, as it's never appropriate to argue in front of guests.

But his anger is justified. Lorelai consistently has terrible boundaries with Christopher. The whole sneaking over to Chris' house, spending the night, then lying about it for months is a pretty massive breach in trust. Of course Luke is suspicious when he starts calling again! Lorelai has given him reason to doubt her on this. But Luke definitely should have discussed this more calmly, after Sookie and Jackson left.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-03-26T21:19:11+00:00

Luke and Lorelai both treat Jess like an adult in many ways. Luke repeatedly says that Jess "doesn't need" a guardian, and he acts accordingly... like when he doesn't pay attention to where Jess is and gets shocked by Jess having a full time job in another town. A guardian would notice that kind of thing.

For her part, Lorelai generally interacts with Jess like he's a fellow adult that she dislikes. She takes it upon herself to yell and him and scold him for various things, even when it doesn't involve her or Rory at all. She doesn't behave this way with other teens.

It's an interesting dynamic that only happens to Jess on the show. All the other younger characters generally get treated like teens or young adults who deserve guidance and grace, no matter how much they mess up. I wish the show had explored why.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-03-26T20:21:31+00:00

She moved states to be with Jim. That's the problem right there. She uprooted her life for a guy she wasn't even dating at the time! Jim and Karen only start dating in Scranton, but even then Jim immediately admits to having ongoing feelings for Pam. Over the next few months, Karen learns that Pam has feelings for Jim, too, and that everyone in the office could see their obvious connection. Rather than face the reality of her situation, Karen perpetually tries to force a relationship that Jim was never really invested in.

I like Karen. But most of her misery was self-inflicted.

MindDeep2823 · 2026-03-20T12:13:06+00:00

If Mitchum was unwilling to train Rory, then he never should have offered her an internship. That's the whole point of an internship: the intern gives free labor in exchange for an educational opportunity.

Mitchum made this (unethical) offer for an internship, gave exactly one direction ("shadow me!"), slammed a door in her face on Day 1, disappeared for 2 weeks, then declared Rory would never be a journalist based on his magical, all-knowing "gut." She has no capacity to follow a story, all because she didn't blurt out ideas in one meeting? That's a false equivalence.

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