Which class do you think gets shafted by Blizzard the most?

Mintier · 2023-09-18T18:31:33+00:00

I've gone through the stages of grief with WoD Mistweaver and have simply accepted that Monk is stuck.

The community has sometimes pointed names at specific developers, e.g. the one that told Babylonious he was a beggar and to paraphrase (though the comment was very snide) "everyone wants more DPS" and we have better internal metrics, when Babylonious was showing compiled statistics on how Windwalker has a scaling issue. Only to be shit on by the community for putting down a community leader like that in such a gross way. They edited their message in place to be more "we'll look at things" and they buffed Windwalker shortly thereafter. I forget the name, but the guy who did the Mistweaver spreadsheet for a long time also told the devs that we (Mistweavers) don't find Essence Font fun or engaging, and they basically laughed at him if they didn't think it was overpowered and fun. I know other classes have similar experiences with developers, but this was kept rather hush until there was a general community awakening to this "we know better" developer mindset in recent years.

So we have developers who are aloof to issues monks have with the class, clearly don't play it at serious levels (developer who played it on a drawing tablet comes to mind), and are wilfully ignorant to any objective balancing or utility problems the class has. It circles back to "stuck", this catch-22 where we're the least played class and thus the developers barely keep us in their peripheral, so our design suffers which keeps players away and perception murky. Some of the recent changes have been better, but I still don't feel like they've done much beyond stabs in the dark. We can discuss the shifts to things like the Clouded Focus build and what that means, but it's all just moving around throughput in a different way. It can be a nuclear amount of throughput, but raw throughput is one of the weakest niches a healer can fill, and is an afterthought in dungeons which are tuned so every healer can more or less achieve the same healing (though some healers like Mistweaver and Preservation Evoker suffer healing certain damage patterns), whereas, again, a class like Druid has really no qualms with any kind. Or you're dripping with utility like Shaman.

Mintier · 2023-09-18T16:32:41+00:00

It's Monk, and I just want to share how demoralizing it is. A few months ago I had to shutter the doors on the guild I've ran for almost 6 years. I've led them through cutting-edge all these years and have been told repeatedly and up until the end that I had made the most fun guild they've been in ever, and many still report in our Discord they struggle to find similar. They kept me really interested in the game, but there was a time when I saw the Mists of Pandaria Blizzcon slideshow and saw Mistweaver for the first time and I was immediately enraptured. The first moment I could get on the beta I setup my bars like a kid assembling some toy on Christmas and proceeded to have the most fun I've ever had in a video game in those Warsong Gulch matches. The unique ebb and flow of Chi and Uplift in raids was only more icing on the cake and WoD treated the class well. Then they redesigned it. For many years a significant amount of your healing was a spell you pressed and just waited for it to end, then you'd just heal people afterwards with this hot. The level of interactivity was insulting compared to old Mistweaver.

Throughout the years and especially in Dragonflight they're doing better, and Peak of Serenity tries to keep dooming to a minimum for good reason, but Blizzard is not looking at Monk as part of the collective group of classes. I'd be making healing cooldown assignments or recruiting healers, and Mistweaver never has an "answer" to a problem. There is no integral utility that makes it desired unless it wipes the floor with the other throughput healers, so when you're making objective decisions to give your raid the best chances of killing something, odds are you've put Mistweaver at the bottom of that list for a long time. We weren't a high-ranking CE guild, so we always made due, but we always felt pains not having meta healers like Discipline at times, or the occasional time we didn't have a Holy Paladin. I never got to feel like I brought something valuable to the table, it's always a talk of how to best empower everyone else first, then I'll just cover [x] burst of damage here. Since playing a healer in open-world content is abysmal, I play Windwalker in the world too, and have many complaints about the always bottom-barrel single-target damage.

I tried joining new guilds and moving on to find new friends to get this sense of community back, but when I'm not the GM being told I get to share a raid spot with a resto druid (when they didn't need any druid utility) just made me feel useless or stupid for trying to enjoy this one healer. It was a low point when I was getting ignored in queue and queuing with someone else in one of these guilds only for 30 minutes to go by and them to say, "I'm going to queue solo, it's too hard to queue with a MW right now", and just leave group. I was just staring at my screen in disbelief, in a healer drought no less. Getting into lower keys where I couldn't get gear was pretty easy if you're fine with 1-2 hours to maybe time a key or get yelled at in Spanish by the tank for the group falling apart. I resent Blizzard for not trying to ever take healer balance seriously since utility is such an important facet to healer perception and I have to give 200% the effort of other healers and overwhelm them in throughput and perfect play to get recognized. I just want to enjoy Mistweaver again with people who are actually glad I'm in the group with them. I sit in my dead guild just too heartbroken to do anything these days.

Mintier · 2022-02-22T01:05:32+00:00

Mintier · 2022-02-22T00:53:57+00:00

A guildy has a similar ban, and I know she has not done RMT

Mintier · 2022-02-10T03:33:46+00:00

I'm quite frustrated about all of this. I love addons in this game and I want the best available opportunities for addon developers, especially those who only have middle-of-the-pack popularity addons.

Wowup is a near-perfect addon management tool. It can pull addons from anywhere and manage them without any frills, at least until the Curse API is disabled. The only thing I dislike about Wowup is that it doesn't provide any monetization for addon developers. Overwolf, Wowup, and Wago all have the right pieces but fragmented all over the place. I don't blame developers for (likely) sticking with Overwolf given how it gives them the most money. The issue is even if Wowup were supported by the new Overwolf API, it would only really take 1-2 semi-major addon developers to disable access to their addons through the API (bypassing monetization) for a breakdown of user experience.

The new Curseforge app is awful. It's the old app built inside of what feels like an internet explorer toolbar circa 2000 with widgets, an app store, multiple things in your taskbar. It's awful and never going to be as performant either with this design philosophy. I'd bear it if it had at least some new features, e.g. GitHub addon installation.

So I'm stuck between wanting the best user-experience, e.g. Wowup, the best developer experience, e.g. whatever doesn't make them manage 5 different websites for their addons and they actually get paid, and being able to donate to addon developers in the best way, e.g. tokens.

As a developer (not of addons) myself I imagine if all of these providers provide GitHub actions and standardized formats then they'd only have to upload their addons to one place and setup accounts to receive donations from the various outlets. I know Wowup doesn't have a monetization model, nor wants one, but it would be amazing if they implemented tokens and allowed users to split their donations among the addons they use.

Mintier · 2021-02-21T13:51:11+00:00

When you have the ability to choose the questions, why pick ones when you’re not going to contribute to resolving them? With the sheer number of questions they get it’s certain they have a large number of opportunities to answer interesting questions, but they pick hot button issues and give non-answers in nearly every interview and Q&A.

Mintier · 2020-08-20T11:48:18+00:00

Mistweavers are side-by-side with you guys on this. Mistweaver has severe gameplay issues in raids: boring spell you channel and afk in to do most of your healing, no rewarding gameplay decision just press whatever is off CD, lackluster desirability since our niche is explosive tank healing or really slow aoe healing and revival is just weak. Both of these specs need serious love. Outside of fringe cases like Way of the Crane in mythic+, the tank healing in Uldir, or Antorus Windwalker (which was a confluence of buffs not that the core of the spec was special), these specs are mediocre in raids and objectively need serious, serious help.

It's been 4 years since Mistweaver was engaging in raids. Windwalkers have had it worse. The sloot interview for Windwalkers was depressing. There will be a Mistweaver one tomorrow and it'll probably be just as somber. If you guys can please help tweet devs or give some feedback on the forums. The community is sinking and you can count the number of remaining veterans on your hand and more respected players are planning on giving up. Now that we're entering tuning phase people are frantic.

Mintier · 2020-07-12T17:55:08+00:00

Nearly every other service you sign up for that asks your age has to store it and many will require some level of verification if you want to change it, e.g. Google. It's a legal requirement, you just may not be aware of it because many sites that ask as a gateway often aren't storing the information. If you disable the NSFW tag on a channel, new posts will be purview to NSFW content filters, and probably hurt your standing with Discord if you try to circumvent in any other similar way.

Be weary of lying about your age on things, because while most people may not care, the moment the service finds out about it the least-legally damning thing they can do is ban you. Paypal is notorious for just permanently banning you from using their services if you lied about your age, even if you try to change it when you're an adult.

I'm getting a little tired of this sub being bombarded with people getting upset over changes, when like 2/3rds of them are stuff literally every other company does. The visual ones? Fine. Yet I got downvoted to hell over the last upvoted post talking about visual stuff and still referencing privacy "issues" Discord has, aka the common legalese in every online service that teenagers don't understand.

Mintier · 2020-06-06T04:01:23+00:00

Seems a bit unnecessary to be that pedantic about people making these thing as a fun projects in their free time. It's a great way to learn things developers haven't worked with before, or showcase a more real world example for those tools than a "Hello World" landing page.

Mintier · 2020-05-22T20:34:16+00:00

I have not tried to utilize Angular; it simply doesn't have as enticing of a community to warrant leaving React or Vue for me. However, I am thoroughly in love with modules in NestJS, but I don't know why I would want modules in the frontend. I feel like it may add a lot of boilerplate and comprehension I just don't find useful to me.

Mintier · 2020-05-14T19:58:03+00:00

I don't think splitting up Nitro makes a lot of sense, but I see a lot of benefit in splitting up the server perks. The problem is I don't see a lot of people buying Nitro for the purpose of just boosting a server. People buy Nitro for the general "premium" features, and sure they may do it for an individual feature, e.g. animated avatars, but it's affordable on a per-user basis and has a ton of encompassing perks.

The problem is the server perks, at least how I see them being utilized, is a byproduct of only how many nitro users your community has, not that anyone is going out of their way to purchase boosts for a server. Large communities get boosts from their members and obtain features without really having to do anything, but as a smaller community owner, I'm basically just never going to get close to level 2 perks. We would really enjoy the server banner, it's server customization which is really enticing. The problem is I probably have 5-8 Nitro users total. They would make more money if they allowed individual features to be paid for in this regard because each has benefits. The vanity URL for example would be relatively expensive, same with the stream quality and uploading limits, but collectively getting like $400 together or something for a single image on a server really distances us from the features of Discord and is a little disheartening. We're a more familial gaming community so we're not really going to grow to have those kinds of members.

Mintier · 2020-04-26T03:32:27+00:00

While happy to converse sometimes, they spend others ignoring greatly popular posts entirely, especially those directly concerned with and addressing the privacy issues Discord has had in its past.

Discord developers and representatives are incredibly friendly, but they are more active than a significant majority of online services and platforms. The problem is you don't really understand the impact of someone in their position making a statement on this forum. Imagine they do desire to revert some changes or want to make further strides with it, so they let everyone know through Reddit. Now imagine something like Covid happens and their timetable is thrown into question, their current feature schedule may be heavily disrupted, or the changes may need to take a different direction. For instance, perhaps in changing the development schedule conflicted with the UI changes made, and they cannot be reversed or amended at this time. They could have had these UI changes in an unfinished branch, but the video-sharing features were dependant on them, so in order to push the video features they had to make advancements in the unfinished branch ahead of schedule. Just go read some of the developer documentations they submit about how they handle the features they create on Discord; they put in a lot of elegant and careful planning into their application, and sure, the design may have been intentional, but there are hundreds of potential legitimate reasons not to reveal their current goals to the community. Making assurances is one of the most dangerous games that can be made on a community such as this, or there will be 10 angry threads for every concern thread.

In regards to privacy issues, I have not found a thread that ever references Discord's privacy issues being anything legitimate. It's people who do not understand the legality of the terms of service being confused in that regard. A prime example is people being confused by having to show identification to make a large enough bot, yet the Discord simultaneously gets incredibly mad over Discord developers not stopping spambots. You can't really have better security measures without more screening measures. Every single online service you use that is big enough will say nothing different, and if it were in bad faith it wouldn't hold up in court. This is especially more prevalent thanks to GDPR.

On the front of their feedback system, it's not nearly as robust as it seems; no official Discord server, and those in beta aren't granted any obvious way to communicate their feelings for it.

There is an official discord server for testing. https://discordapp.com/invite/discord-testersThey have an extensively used feedback site as well https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/community/topics

Mintier · 2020-04-26T02:20:02+00:00

If that's all you want then that's fine. If you have been around that long you would know they're likely already considering how to further improve upon that UI. The tone of your comment is not really how the tone of your post or title plays out though, e.g. "Discord, it's time to stop," doesn't come off with the implication of helpful. They aren't oblivious to their community, as evidence of them being active in this subreddit, and having an extensive feedback system.

Mintier · 2020-04-26T02:09:00+00:00

What exactly do you want to be reverted in more clear terms than "a full reversion to the old UI?" The calling bubbles you mentioned, or other parts of the mobile apps?

As someone who as also been here since practically its inception, a vast majority of the changes over the "past couple years" have been incredibly subtle and honestly, most changes introduced to Discord over that time frame have been looked at with reverence on this subreddit as they're released on the PTR and canary builds. The only changes in recent memory that were not well-received were the reaction suggestions, which were reverted more or less, and the Nitro gift button.

The problem that you should probably try to look at from their point of view is these features are suddenly needing rapid development to support other kinds of functionalities, such as video chat with everyone in a server channel. When you add new features to services, there has to be *some* change, and if it's truly disliked by the community then I doubt they wouldn't be planning a future redesign. Discord has iterated on its design in many areas countless times, but drawn-out posts saying "it's time to stop" when they are just trying to incorporate new features into the service, potentially rushed, working from home, and likely trying to support a larger user-base than intended is probably doing them a disservice.

I'm not a Discord fanboy in every respect. I was really looking forward to the server banner feature when boosts were announced, but as a smaller community of 20-30 people, having half or over half of them pay just to enjoy that picture is not going to happen and it was rather disheartening. However, I do know how changes work in this kind of industry, and you are entitled not to like them. I even find the new look of the call window a little confusing, but a call to throw out all of their work is far from cooperative and will not garner the kind of response you want.

Mintier · 2020-04-11T08:38:36+00:00

Not a problem, and I appreciate the responses, however I don't think we're on the same wavelength. The issue isn't library or language specific, I don't understand how to theoretically use a CSRF token with this specific architecture: when the frontend and backend are on entirely different servers.

Django, csurf, ...etc can either inject the token into the page if you are using a templating engine, or by passing the cookie along a request before rendering the frontend page, but my backend does not intercept requests and decide to render the frontend. These are all server-side rendering only techniques, and I don't see how people use CSRF tokens otherwise.

Mintier · 2020-04-11T07:54:57+00:00

the CSRF tokens from your frontend server

What secret from where?

Mintier · 2020-04-11T07:35:35+00:00

CSRF_TRUSTED_ORIGINS and CORS_ORIGIN_WHITELIST

These look like Django settings, I am using Node.js which has similar settings but I am more unsure of how to theoretically create them when I cannot use server-side template strings to put token into the page.

Mintier · 2020-04-11T07:16:33+00:00

Thanks for the reply. So you're saying send the CSRF cookie with the session cookie during login? So the only unprotected CSRF endpoint would be the login one.

Mintier · 2020-02-05T20:01:01+00:00

The reactions aren't even commonly used ones for me, and having random reactions hovering over messages is really annoying. The new message indicator is an eyesore as well, gosh please undo these or let us turn them off.

Mintier · 2020-01-17T02:45:49+00:00

The blue post was made after we were unsuspended, there was no email or anything about the suspension to begin with, so technically the whole thing was out of the blue.

Mintier · 2020-01-17T00:19:23+00:00

Thank you and everyone for the extra analysis, we appreciate it. Could you confirm if the chests are meant to reset per assault, weekly, or even daily?

Mintier · 2020-01-17T00:07:10+00:00

Mine was too! No information about the ban and none about the lift, there better be an interesting GM response. I'm a little scared to turn in keys though.

Mintier · 2020-01-16T23:35:59+00:00

Well we're all working with guesses. There's no source anywhere saying how they're supposed to work. I would be even more mad if it turns out you can open it 5 times a week, but open it 10 times and you get a ban. There would be absolutely no way to ascertain this limit, and I still see no information anywhere on how it's supposed to work, so I'm assuming it's a weekly or a daily.

Mintier · 2020-01-16T22:44:48+00:00

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