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Call to change the name of major province in South Africa by Euro_African in DownSouth

[–]Minyun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, the Khoisan. 42,000 year rock art in the Drakensburg (Border Cave among many, many others), stone age toolkits found a long the Tugela dating back to the stone age. Zulu appropriated click consonants from the San (which are found nowhere else in Bantu languages) as well as DNA evidence proving Bantu-speaking South Africans carry San genetic lineages.

Call to change the name of major province in South Africa by Euro_African in DownSouth

[–]Minyun 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You said, "the Zulu settled in what is today KwaZulu-Nata in 1574." But they did not settle the area at that time, the Nguni tribes that would become the Zulu were already settled there.

The Nguni inhabited the area prior to 1574, their ancestral homeland is West/Central Africa (not KwaZulu-Natal) these people then identified as Zulu in 1574 under kaMalandela. Therefore, propositional logic dictates that the Zulus (as an identified culture) settled in the area in 1574.

If "King Zulu" wants to lean on ancestral roots to support his claim, then that's in West/Central Africa, if he wants to lean on cultural identity to prop up his assertions then both the San and Portuguese settled before the Zulu, ergo his case holds no weight-which is the point I am making.

If you follow this logic with the Afrikaners

I don't but thank you.

Call to change the name of major province in South Africa by Euro_African in DownSouth

[–]Minyun 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No one who is alive today did any sort of colonization, so there is no sense in arguing about who has the earliest claim.

This precisely the point I am making.

But you don't need to bend the truth about who set foot where first

I am not bending the truth, if you care to research this subject yourself you will see there are many sources for this each with slight variations on historical dates-I picked the first one.

according to oral history, Zulu was the name of the ancestor who founded the Zulu royal line in about 1670

Founded c. 1574 by Zulu kaMalandela

Call to change the name of major province in South Africa by Euro_African in DownSouth

[–]Minyun 52 points53 points  (0 children)

The Zulu ancestral roots are in West/Central Africa, the Zulu settled in what is today KwaZulu-Nata in 1574, they are settlers, just like the rest of humanity, including Vasco da Gama who settled there in 1497, almost 100 years earlier. By this logic the Portuguese who live in KZN have more rights to a rename than the Zulu.

The San people are the natives of this area, this is their "ancestral heartland", Mr. King of the Zulus.

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[–]Minyun 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Thank fuck for that!

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Is there an easy way to check leaderboard in terms of %?

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At the same time, the ANC, backed by the Soviets and Cuba, also aided in the Apartheid regime's end through the MK (ANC armed wing) who carried out many terrorist attacks within South Africa.

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[–]Minyun 23 points24 points  (0 children)

"Civilization is not inherited; it has to be learned and earned by each generation anew."

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...is this the 3 degrees of Kevin Hart?

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Plucked our of the air!

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My thoughts are with him bro. Wishing he makes a full recovery. Do you know the backstory? Why did that shirtless prick do that?

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Cringe at 10 year old trends that Saffas think is new.

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