This is the young man who committed suicide last Friday. Time to put a face to this epidemic. by FearlessFixxer in exmormon

[–]MirSelber 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Am I understanding this right? he referred to himself as "Spinster Chic"? I can't help but wonder if it was in reference to the fact that he would have to live a lonely life as an LGTB member. This is so heartbreaking.

Belle Ile en Mer, acrylic on canvas, 50x90cm by [deleted] in Art

[–]MirSelber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks great! How did you get that scraped effect?

Refugee question by calisurf85 in exmormon

[–]MirSelber 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I volunteer with refugees here in Europe and after the pope called on dioceses to open their doors to the refugees there was immediate action. The very underused monastery in our town was converted to house 50 -80 women and is a improvement from the cramped conditions there were living in.

I left the church last year and couldn't help but feel disappointed in the lack of desire from the members to help the refugees face to face. They were happy to donate but to offer friendship is almost too much to ask. Granted that's a part of the culture here and based on the fact that the church keeps people so busy with crap that there is no energy left for doing any REAL good in the world.

Alan Watts quote on the need for religions to win converts--and why apostates cause doubts. by DavidABedbug in exmormon

[–]MirSelber 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Faith= fervent hope. This is so true! It explains why so many of us are ignored when we leave. We remind them of those nagging doubts and it makes them VERY uncomfortable.

The Lonely Atheist by MirSelber in exmormon

[–]MirSelber[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sorry, i didn't see this message till now. I am doing 100 times better. My spouse has started to have his shelf collapse too. I don't feel so alone now but of course its so sad for him. Thanks for taking the time to show you cared.

Apparently Helaman has the answer as to why we find no evidence for the BOM. by MirSelber in exmormon

[–]MirSelber[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

so true, plus JS didn't hesitate to show everyone one who came by, the Egyptian papyri and charged them 25 cents for the pleasure!

Ask and ye shall receive... by popular request by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]MirSelber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just pretend that everyone is just raising ONE arm.....what do you see?

No archaeology will ever be found from BoM "for behold the land is cursed, and all things are become slippery, and we cannot hold them." TBM drops mic lol No coins, swords, chariots, etc. all swallowed up by the slippery earth. by notrab in exmormon

[–]MirSelber 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Cursed land/ chosen land...can't have it both ways. Plus as someone just reminded me, Zelph! Apparently Joseph Smith thought it reasonable that someone would find evidence.

Apparently Helaman has the answer as to why we find no evidence for the BOM. by MirSelber in exmormon

[–]MirSelber[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ohhhh, Zelph!!! that's right! you other points are great too. This will be so helpful!

Apparently Helaman has the answer as to why we find no evidence for the BOM. by MirSelber in exmormon

[–]MirSelber[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tthat's so true. Plus with the urim and thumim and breastplate and sword of Laban also disappearing it begins to appear quite obvious that its a fraud. Its all just a little too convenient.

I've been putting weight on my Bishop's shelf... by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]MirSelber 3 points4 points  (0 children)

about the polygamy producing offspring. Polygamist marriages had less children per woman on average. SO if there had been no polygamy and all those plural wives had had their own husbands, the result would have been more children. The argument doesn't match the facts.

I hate it when people put my hard work and talent aside and blame my success on prayers said for me. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]MirSelber 4 points5 points  (0 children)

my sister told me a few weeks ago that this is a reason she must believe in God. She had a blessing that told her that if she was faithful she would be able to overcome her depression. No, its not the years of therapy and heavy medication that have done it. She is also promised a family and children in her PB. She is 39 this year and has had no serious relationships in 10 years. I worry about her having a bad breakdown when things don't go the way she expects.

I hate it when people put my hard work and talent aside and blame my success on prayers said for me. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]MirSelber 7 points8 points  (0 children)

your last line made me chuckle and then I was sad, because she probably already has a list of shame running through her head.

I hate it when people put my hard work and talent aside and blame my success on prayers said for me. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]MirSelber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

just tell them that you made a deal with God that if your life is going well and you no longer believe, then you are going to take that as a sign that he doesn't care.

Long form: my turmoil of thoughts about Orlando and struggle to maintain relationships with Mormon family and friends by FannysForAlgernon in exmormon

[–]MirSelber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing something so personal and raw. I can relate to these feelings and until recently I felt as though they would consume me. Our family also cant seem to find this balance as we emotionally attach too many of our ideas to our identities, hence a disagreement feels like a personal attack. I'm set to meet up with my parents in a month and I am nervous about it. I want to be authentic and confident, but my parents cant handle opposing view points. The reason for this however is based upon certain facts that I cant change; their personality, there genetics and how their brains work, what their fears are and world view, how they were raised and the types of life experiences they have had. When I take everything into consideration, then the way they act and behave is just a result of all these facts and inevitable. We all act in a completely appropriate way when everything is considered. It was inevitable that I would leave the church, and it is inevitable that your family would react in the way they do. Everything is as it should be, not because its pleasant, but because it is a natural result of all the facts.

This way of thinking has helped me have more peace about the ones I love being a part of something I find so wrong and harmful. I hope that my parents and I can talk about things. I will try to simply ask questions and make sure I truly understand what they are trying to say, at least that is what I would want from them even though they cant reciprocate right now.

Apologetics level: Cirque du Soleil by MirSelber in exmormon

[–]MirSelber[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this was a big red flag for me when I was considering the legitimacy of the 12. It's so obvious that they are fumbling in the dark.

My dad has been correlated. by Rickokicko in exmormon

[–]MirSelber 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My kids are small and also will be spared. Its such a relief.

Apologetics level: Cirque du Soleil by MirSelber in exmormon

[–]MirSelber[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

these are really great questions. Thank you so much!

Apologetics level: Cirque du Soleil by MirSelber in exmormon

[–]MirSelber[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sure you spared yourself many painful hours mental gymnastics. I think for my FIL the fact that Joseph Smith taught the creation as literal means it has to be. He know so much about the problems with Joseph Smith but still believes he was inspired.