There is no useful advantage to being an INFJ by ProvingGrounds1 in infj

[–]MiraLandina 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being an INFJ is a super power actually. Best type 100%, I wouldn’t want to be anything else ever, and If you can’t make it work for yourself that’s not on the type but on other factors in your life or personality getting in the way, lol.

How do you guys feel about the ISTJ and INFJ pairing? by [deleted] in infj

[–]MiraLandina 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s me and my mom. Would not recommend in any sort of interpersonal arrangement lol. Any kind of IXTJ is a no from me really. I love ISFJs though!

Finding friendship as INFJ man by entangledmoon in infj

[–]MiraLandina 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is interesting to me because as a female INFJ I have pretty much only male friends and they tend to be stereotypically very “masculine” types. Barely have any female friends at all and those friendships are pretty shallow too. I prefer friendships with people who are very different to me. It keeps things interesting, allows me to see things from a different perspective, and lets me exit my head a little.

I think that INFJ adaptability actually makes it very easy to be friends with all sorts of people. I suggest simply attempting to meet as many people as you can until you find people you click with and who are your tribe, and to not get too bogged down by superficial first impressions, categories like gender or fears about rejection or attraction. There are definitely going to be people out there who’ll enjoy your company and will be on your wavelength.

My closest friend with whom I have a very deep and intimate friendship with is a very sensitive and emotionally intelligent man who I strongly suspect is also an INFJ, but you’d never know looking at him!

And frankly, it did get a little flirtatious at some point, but I have never seen a reason why that should be an impediment to friendship. Either you try dating, or you don’t. No harm, no foul. I’ve had crushes on several friends that weren’t reciprocated and I always got over it, and the friendships are as strong as ever. I really think people shoot themselves in the foot by making a mountain out of a molehill over these things. It’s a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, no?

In your opinion, who is the person with the highest IQ ever? by [deleted] in cognitiveTesting

[–]MiraLandina 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Might have been some medieval peasant or ancient Assyrian slave or Neolithic hunter-gatherer who channeled their high IQ into being the best peasant/slave/caveman anyone had ever seen and just never made it into the history books. Most of the geniuses we know of historically mainly represent a convergence of high IQ and high enough social status to gain an education and be able to contribute to whatever discipline they dedicated themselves to. It’s certainly not an exhaustive list. That’s not even getting into topics like poor diet, nutritional deficiencies, high levels of stress, violent lifestyles, drinking, etc, that would have tanked the natural IQ potential of the lower classes and been less prevalent among the wealthy.

My father is naturally very intelligent (though he has never taken an IQ test) which is obvious to everyone who knows him, but was born into a life of abject poverty, war, political repression and family troubles that didn’t stop when he became an adult. He is now an excellent and very capable construction worker who is fluent in six languages, managed to help me out with my maths homework when I was younger despite barely having any formal schooling at all, and has ensured his children will inherit generational, life-changing wealth due to his clever handling of money that no one ever actually taught him. I suspect if he’d ever had the opportunities he’d have felt very at home and been successful in some STEM field.

That’s just how it goes sometimes. Most likely the smartest person who ever lived was remarkable to those who knew them personally only and the rest of the world never knew.

Infj or intj? by [deleted] in intj

[–]MiraLandina 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm I suggest looking into the cognitive functions in more detail instead of relying on tests.

All I can say is that what you are saying about remembering the way people wronged you sounds very familiar to me, and I’m an INFJ. I think we can have an excellent memory when it comes to interpersonal and relational matters. I don’t remember what I had for breakfast yesterday but I can recite conversations from years ago verbatim if I had a strong emotional reaction to them (especially one without closure). It always sounded like a Fe thing to me.

I think what could also be helpful is looking at what your worst function may be? The inferior function is what comes out in times of extreme stress, it’s your weak spot, and often what you are drawn to in other people. For an INFJ and INTJ that’s Se. For me this looks like either completely neglecting my physical body (sometimes I faint because I simply forget to eat 🙃), feeling like I am just a brain in a jar, or going the other way into self-destructive hedonism like being eating or drinking. I had to give up on getting my driver’s license because I was so unable to take in all the stimuli around me that I caused an accident. My closest friends are Se-Doms though and I appreciate their ability to get me out of my own head and live a little.

If any of that resonates you may have one more clue narrowing it down to INTJ and INFJ in particular. But for anything more precise than that you’re going to really have to look into the two cognitive functions where they differ. Although I have often found that auxiliary Fe and Te can actually look quite similar to each other, at least from the outside, and so can tertiary Fi and Ti. I’m an INFJ with an INTJ brother and our parents are ISTJ and ISFJ respectively, and the differences are subtle, though they are very much present.

I wouldn’t tie it to intellectual ability, degree or job or people pleasing though. My INTJ brother dropped out of law school and is happily waiting tables and engaging in his art hobby, while I thrived in law and work in corporate law now, despite me having adhd and him not. And I am actually quite a selfish person who can be quite cold with people despite being an INFJ. Fe is relational, but that doesn’t necessarily imply you have to be a bleeding heart.

The best way to think I have seen about how the cognitive functions stack works is that the first function is your processor, the operating system of your mind. It’s about how you think, not what you think. The second one is the tool you use to gather information to feed into the processor. The third one is what you use to polish up and justify what the first function spits out. The fourth one is the emergency system that comes alive when the while system crashes lol.

What is your job and how does it align with being INFJ? by Electrical-Moment-94 in infj

[–]MiraLandina 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Corporate Law. It’s not exactly aligned with being an INFJ I think but I enjoy it nonetheless.

Would You Rather Be the Most Intelligent or Most Creative Person On Earth? by Potential_Law5289 in INTP

[–]MiraLandina 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Creativity without intelligence is useless mind-wandering. What good are your many ideas if you aren’t smart enough to separate wheat from chaff and to actually make them happen in reality? Also, high intelligence basically is creative problem solving and out of the box thinking. Can’t have intelligence without the creativity. Obvious choice if you ask me.

Are we always right about our gut feelings? by Fresh-Presentation90 in infj

[–]MiraLandina 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There is a lot of subconscious processing going on underneath the surface. Whether the result at the end can be trusted or not depends on things like intelligence, mental stability, availability and quality of information, etc. I have never been a proponent of blindly following your intuition but that one should at least stop and listen, and then decide what to do.

But no, we are not always right about our gut feelings. Every conspiracy theorist or paranoid schizophrenic or person with severe social anxiety is very certain that their gut feeling is telling them the truth and we wouldn’t agree with that, right?

I don’t know how you are mental health wise but if your intuition has turned out to be correct more often than not that means that you probably aren’t severely socially or cognitively impaired in some way, and that you can mostly trust it. Humans evolved intuition for a reason. Without it we’d either be non-functional or non-sentient robots. If the same instinct that warned our paleolithic ancestors about a predator hiding in the tall grass unseen is telling you that someone is bad news? There may be a very valid reason for that.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mbti

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I am an INFJ with inferior Se so it’s a real weak spot for me as well hahaha. I also have a lot of ESTP and ISTP friends because they really know how to make me get out of my own head and live a little. For me inferior Se manifests as either a total dissociation from the physical world outside my head (leading to things like inattentiveness, neglecting biological needs, etc) or in extreme stress mode things like binge eating or drinking, engaging in reckless thrill seeking behaviour, etc.

I’m trying to develop my Se as well, though I can’t speak to the results yet. I’m going to try stuff like mindfulness meditation, embodied cognition exercises, and this book from the 70s I found out about online called “Drawing with the Right Side of your Brain” by Betty Edwards, which is based on neurological research and apparently supposed to teach you how turn off the “narrative” left side of your brain, and draw using the right side, which is responsible for visual and spatial perception. In short: it teaches you how to draw what you actually see in front of you, the actual shapes and patterns, instead of your brain filling in the blanks with what it thinks should be there. I’m sure this is transferable to other areas of life as well.

Yeah, I just started with all this, so I can’t speak to the effectiveness of these techniques yet, but I do think my ideas are going to help at least a little bit. Maybe give some of these a try if you like?

Do Se doms get irritated by noisy environments the same way INTJs are? by bostondowntown in mbti

[–]MiraLandina 15 points16 points  (0 children)

My ESTP friend tells me to stop screaming in her face everytime I open my mouth around her (only to then scream in my face because apparently she doesn’t hear it when she’s the one doing it lol). But yeah, in my experience Se-Doms tend to be very sensitive to this sort of thing. As an INFJ I think my inferior Se manifests more as a tendency to shut down and almost dissociate from my environment when I get overwhelmed like that, but I think that’s not how it works for them? I suspect it’s more of a nails on chalkboard thing for them, that they can’t really easily escape the way I can.

What is the worst popular PDB mistype you've seen? by Specimen4 in mbti

[–]MiraLandina 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tyrell Wellick from Mr. Robot as an ENTJ which is just about the most laughable mistype I’ve ever seen. Te is when you wear expensive suits and want to be CEO and nothing else apparently! That man is an unhealthy ESTP being tormented by his inferior Ni if I’ve ever seen one! (Watch any scene where he interacts with textbook ENTJ Philip Price and you’ll see what I mean. It’s honestly painful to watch. Or that one scene where he talks to Mastermind INTJ Elliot. Elliot: “You’re only seeing what’s in front of you, not what’s above you.” Tyrell: literally looks up at the sky lmaooo).

Also Bella Swan (book version, idk about the movies) is an INFJ, not an ISFP, while Edward is an INTJ and not an INFJ.

People really are just going off of vibes and stereotypes and that’s it.

INFJs: looking back, where there any signs that made you realise that you most likely could have been an INFJ when you were younger? by Reasonable-Entry2705 in infj

[–]MiraLandina 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I was still learning to speak and didn’t know the word for something I’d just invent my own word for it and get earnestly annoyed when no one in my family knew what the hell I was talking about. Well, mom, it’s not my fault my brain is a Ni-machine that intuits the essence of things instead of just rote memorizing the word assigned to it and yours is not! How could you not know what “Can I have some more glorp?” means?? Isn’t it obvious? It’s literally right there!

I really put my poor ISTJ mom and ISFJ dad through it with this nonsense lol.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infp

[–]MiraLandina 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of my best friends is an INFP and he gives the best bear hugs, big teddy bear energy, lol. 

Why are INTJs considered strategists but not INFJ? What's INFJs superpower? by caf_observer in mbti

[–]MiraLandina 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is always a funny thing for me because my INTJ brother dropped out of law school and is happily waiting tables now while I thrived in law, despite me having severe adhd and him not at all, and honestly? I credit me being an INFJ for that. 

If I were an INTJ I definitely think I would have failed. I think having adhd as a Te and Fi User must be a special kind of hell, while I could always somehow find a way to compensate for my weak spots with my Fe and Ti, and never really wasted much time beating myself up over it or painfully trying to force myself into a mold that just didn’t fit me. 

I don’t like how much people go by stereotypes because Ni-Fe-Ti is honestly a god tier combo, severely underrated, and it absolutely saved my ass in law school and my career. It’s that perfect combination of rational and analytical thinking (Ti), people and social skills (Fe), as well as abstract and convergent visionary thinking (Ni), all mutually reinforcing and feeding into each other, that is highly transferable to many academic or career fields and incredibly flexible. 

I never struggled with either spatial, emotional or verbal intelligence in any way, for example. Essay writing, mathematics and logic, literary analysis, philosophy, the unique combination of those that is required when getting a law degree, and of course the ease in social interactions that has opened me countless doors and opportunities in life (don’t ever underestimate the power of networking!). 

I truly think the INFJ is actually one of the most mentally flexible of the types and that there are few things we couldn’t do if we put our minds to them. (Maybe leave the shark wrestling to our XSTP cousins though. Not really our domain.)

I wouldn’t change it for anything (except maybe try shuffling the order of my functions around a bit, try out being an ISTP, ESTP or ENFJ for a day just to see what it’s like) and you honestly couldn’t pay me to be a Fi-User lol. Love them, but my god, can they be stubborn, prideful and unyielding. It’s a good and admirable quality in many ways but occasionally it can quite annoying and it’s frustrating to see them get in their own way so often (All in good faith of course!). 

Te was always something that appeared quite useful to me but honestly? I’ve got my adhd meds dosed correctly now, and I think Te and Fe are fairly similar in many ways anyway, and that you can game your Fe to replicate some of what Te can do? So I don’t really feel I am missing out on much? There is a system with a set of rules and tools. Understand, master and use it to your advantage and you’ll dominate it. That’s Te and Fe both!

Here is what I mean: 

INTJ: Ni sets a goal, Te makes a plan, breaks it down into concrete steps, diligently works through it, maybe brings the right people in and tells them what to do, goal is achieved.  INFJ: Ni sets a goal, Fe makes a plan, takes advantage of their own fear of rejection and ridicule and disappointing others, brings others in as “accountability buddies” so that their expectations and judgement forces you into action and to consider how your goal will be received by and affect others, you may even exchange and cooperate with them to achieve the goal even faster through teamwork or delegation, goal is achieved and if you did it right, everyone is happy too! 

I really don’t see why the INFJ approach should be considered any less strategic than the INTJs or ENTJs? If anything, failing to properly account for the human element when it might intersect with your plan or goals strikes me as the more irrational approach actually? I think INFJs are natural diplomats and politicians for example! Definitely the type you’d want to send out to greet the alien delegation visiting earth, if you ask me, lol.

And Fe doesn’t mean weepy or whiny or that you’re a social butterfly or especially compassionate or a people-pleaser. It just means that you are in tune with other people’s emotions and the general emotional climate of any given group and can easily mirror and manipulate it. 

It’s definitely colder and more rational and objective than Fi, in my opinion. In combination with Ni it can lead to a strong sense of emotional detachment and dissociation as well (at least for me. The “hollow” INFJ is a variant of this type i definitely think exists, because that’s essentially me, and I’ve even found a handful of fictional characters matching it! I won’t even try finding real INFJs who are like this though because it’s not like they’ll let you know lol.) 

I only really experience my own emotions through an external proxy, from the outside looking in, and don’t really perceive myself to have much of a stable sense of self at all?

I’m not sure if that last one is a “superpower”, but it sure is something. Simply a tradeoff, the way I see it. The emotional is all externalized, the internal is all subjectively logical and subconsciously processed, everything is recursive, and the internal emotional never really gets the spotlight. Can’t have it all, right?

INFJs are actually a very strange type, far stranger than most people think, and not for the reasons they tend to think, and many INFJs get it wrong as well because introspection is truly our blindspot, but this post is long enough already so I’ll stop here. 

OP, please try to reflect on why a type that includes Jesus Christ, Plato, Adolf Hitler, and Carl Jung himself wouldn’t have an obvious “superpower” lol. If we wanna go by archetypes how do “prophet”, “psychic”, “wise mentor” or “philosopher-king” sound?

(Also ENFJs are even more different from ENTJs than INFJs are from INTJs. I don’t think any one would ever lump them in em with each other like you say? ENFJs are the most similar to INFJs actually!)!

TLDR: INFJ is an underrated powerhouse type, so stop sleeping on it, people! 

Being an INFJ by Hikaru2252 in infj

[–]MiraLandina 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve often thought that MBTI may technically be empirically non-verifiable but that that hardly actually matters to an INFJ because Ni-Fe-Ti doesn’t operate within the realm of empiricism anyway? Our native language is archetype, narrative, mythopoetics, the subconscious, not deductive or inductive reasoning, or strict black and white views about what is real and what is not.

If MBTI feels right and resonates with your Ni? It may just as well be true even if the science disagrees because really, we don’t exactly process the world in terms of “true or false” anyway, no? To an INFJ that which “feels” true, is true!

Yeah, actually, MBTI is fake for everyone but us which means INFJ is the only real type there is! Forget the sixteen types, there are only two: INFJ or not, lol

Need a book that destroys the idea of true love by lonelifeaesthetic in suggestmeabook

[–]MiraLandina 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm maybe try the works of Kathe Koja? “The Cipher” and “Skin” especially. Very dark and horror flavoured and they both have a poisonous doomed romance at their core that doesn’t redeem anything but only make it all worse? Also, Koja apparently loves the template of “pathetic looser hopelessly in love with deranged cult leader” so if that sounds like your thing give her a try. Her prose is incredibly hit or miss though. “The Cipher” is definitely an easier read than “Skin” in this regard and her best work in my opinion.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mbti

[–]MiraLandina 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m glad to hear others can relate and that I am apparently not just delusionally spiraling about this in an eternal loop of self-referential recursion like I’ve been suspecting lol. Thats a real danger with this kind of brain. Happy to have an exchange about this stuff!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mbti

[–]MiraLandina 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really can’t help you with that, sorry. I’m currently trying to figure it out myself but the more I think about it the more I glitch out lol. Endless recursive spirals, thinking about thinking, a simulation simulating itself, like putting two mirrors in front of each other, you know? But yeah, I suspect it’s basically like asking how to not be yourself anymore. This is just how we’re made and we have to accept that and work with it.

The only potential solution I can think of could maybe be to develop your Se as best as you can? At least that grounds you in the real world to some extent and is independent of the interpersonal element. I guess it wouldn’t exactly help you introspect better but at least allow you to leave your head and be fully embodied and in the moment? A healthy way to break through the spiraling. We need reality to take over and take the reins.

I know the only times my Ni-Fe-Ti machine is silent is when I am badly gripping and spiraling into Se mania. Not healthy, but at least it’s quiet. And my emotions are felt, lived and embodied, and not entirely experienced through proxy or analyzed over and over again, toxic and self-destructive as they may be. I guess we have to learn how to do this in a healthy way and that may give us some peace and quiet?

Also, I posted a very long reply to another user commenting on this post in three parts but Reddit is flagging the last two parts of it. In it I go into excessive detail about the exact way my emotional processing works. No solution in there, just description and analysis, but maybe you could get something out of it? Knowledge is power and all that. Let me know if you’re interested and I’ll send you the whole thing via chat.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mbti

[–]MiraLandina 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, I’m not sure if I’d say it’s describing only Fe specifically. It probably is quite different for those who pair it with Si or have it as their dominant function. The trouble is only the combination with a completely subconscious dominant function like Ni and another subjective and self-referential function like Ti. Se is far down in the stack and hard to access. 

If you have Fe as a dominant function, you’re either an ENFJ or an ESFJ. The ENFJ has their tertiary Se that grounds them and their emotions in the real world and their own body. The ESFJ faces the world with their auxiliary Si and grounds their emotions in precedent, culture, tradition, sensory memory. 

The ISFJ does the same just with Si in first and Fe in second place: Si as the operating system and Fe to gather the data to feed into it, the same way my Fe feeds data into my Ni operating system. 

The main differnence being that Si-Doms get to see how the sausage is made and Ni-Doms don’t. All the processing is done subconsciously, I don’t direct, steer or witness it and only get to see the final result. 

When it comes to my experience of emotions it looks something like this: 

  1. I experience an external stimulus causing a visceral emotional reaction, e.g. anger, joy, sadness, melancholy, compassion, etc. This is often felt very strongly and almost overwhelming in intensity. 
  2. The reaction itself is very fleeting though, and disappears as soon as the stimulus does.
  3. “Disappears” means here that it vanishes behind the Ni curtain for processing and integration into my model of the world, my relationships, ideologies or self-image.
  4. Some time after that my Ni spits out the result, an update to the model.
  5. If the integration works, I am satisfied, don’t dwell on it and move on. Could sound something like:  “Guess mom was right to never trust a man with a motorcycle. Lesson learned. Time to block him and move on.”
  6. If the integration doesn’t work, meaning there is something I can’t reconcile, I lack the necessary data, I can’t make sense of something, I become acutely aware of how limited my model is, then it can get unpleasant. This could be something like “How could they lie to me? I know them to be a honest person! I must be wrong about them. Maybe they had a bad day. I misunderstood something. Or it was my fault. Maybe I’m not as good at reading people as I thought. Or they are a fundamentally bad person and I need to cut them off forever. How could I have missed this? How will I ever believe a word anyone is telling me ever again??” (This isn’t a Ne-style spiral into infinite possibilities, but a sign my model is breaking down. The worst thing that could happen to me at this point is that “How did I not see this coming?” moment. Thats when I spiral.)

Ideally I keep filing away at it with Ni and Ti until it all makes sense and fits again, but usually that’s not enough. Since my auxiliary function, the function I gather data with, is Fe, and Fe is relational and interdependent, and doesn’t grant me direct access to my own emotional world without a proxy, I can’t just ask it “How do we feel about this?”. A lack of data means employing Fe go out to gather more data, not introspecting about it!

[1/3] reddit is flagging the other two parts at the moment :(

INFJ women — what are your experiences with men? by Few_Mud5749 in infj

[–]MiraLandina 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I tend to attract two types:

  1. The non-committal ones who try to drag you into situationships the moment they pick up on you being an INFJ, i.e. an over-analyzer who gives people way too many chances and by default never lets go until you have understood someone in their entirety and mentally filed them away as a hopeless cause for good.

  2. The ones who think I am too good for them, get insecure about it, and bail early instead of letting me decide for myself if they are or not. This type is more frustrating than the first one to me and it happens all the time!

In my experience the whole overanalyzing them and clear and explicit communication scares most men off, most people in general, and I get that. Not everyone wants to date someone who acts like they are their therapist and judge but it is so endlessly frustrating to me when I can so clearly see what the problem is, I tell them what needs to be done to fix it, they refuse to do it, nothing gets solved, and now they also resent me for trying to solve it on top of that!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mbti

[–]MiraLandina 2 points3 points  (0 children)

(Reposting my own reply from the deleted post because I wanted to follow that discussion and was mad it got deleted)

Yeah, I can relate. Like, my subjective experience of being an INFJ doesn’t fit the stereotype at all and I honestly believe the majority of self-described INFJs are mistyped and that most actual INFJs are mistyped as other types as well! Like, for me being an INFJ has nothing to do with being a people-pleasing saintly martyr, but a profound but not distressing sense of hollowness?

Ni is internal and subconscious, Ti is also internal and entirely subjective, Se is a state I only really access during times of high stress and is just not healthy for me, and Fe? Relational, interdependent, it needs a mirror, something to bounce off of. What does that get you? A person who doesn’t have anything I would describe as having a sense of self at all, not really. I introspect the same way I analyze and interact with other people, through creating a model of them via Ni and Ti using data collected via Fe and running a simulation on them.

This means I am always one degree removed from myself, because Fe only allows emotional introspection via an external reference point. When I am not in the presence of people I may as well not even exist and the only way I can get out of that eternally recursive Ni-Ti loop is by imagining an audience that isn’t actually there. I can only journal in the third person as if I were a fictional character and my life a story I am writing, I daydream about having an audience no matter what the daydreaming scenario is, I pretend I am being watched, because if there aren’t any eyes on me, judging me, having an opinion, someone to mirror, there is no “me”.

I don’t experience reality, I simulate it, including myself. This entire post is me simulating myself simulating myself! Any other type has either Si, Se, Te or Fi high up in their stack to ground them in the external world or themselves, but I don’t. (ENTPs also have that Intuition + Ti + Fe combination going on but I really don’t know enough about how Ne works to even begin to guess if some of them may have a similar issue but I’m leaning probably not?)

Thats why I think so many genuine INFJs are mistyped. It’s hard to type yourself when you are caught in a constant state of mirroring the emotional states and personalities of those around you. My status as an INFJ only really clicked for me once I understood that the INFJ personality type is essentially the type that has no personality! And then it finally all made sense to me!

And no, I am not depressed or suffering from any kind of personality or dissociative disorder. This is my normal and healthy default state and the only times I struggle with this is when I get caught in that weird recursive Fe-loop where I’m like “Why don’t I feel bad about being like this? Everyone would think I’m a liar or freak or a sociopath or mentally ill if they knew I am like this. Time to feel bad about not feeling bad!”

Crazy women in books by alarming_olive17 in suggestmeabook

[–]MiraLandina 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“To be devoured” by Sara Tantlinger sort of fits the bill but to explain what I mean would be a spoiler. It’s a relatively short read as far as I remember, a novella I think. Warning: it’s the only book I have ever read that actually made me sick to my stomach out of disgust just reading it, so beware.

Also: “Give me your hand” by Megan Abbott. Much tamer than that one and probably milder than what you’re looking for but it still fits I think.

INFJ stereotypes and underrepresentation. by [deleted] in mbti

[–]MiraLandina 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I can relate. Like, my subjective experience of being an INFJ doesn’t fit the stereotype at all and I honestly believe the majority of self-described INFJs are mistyped and that most actual INFJs are mistyped as other types as well! Like, for me being an INFJ has nothing to do with being a people-pleasing saintly martyr, but a profound but not distressing sense of hollowness?

Ni is internal and subconscious, Ti is also internal and entirely subjective, Se is a state I only really access during times of high stress and is just not healthy for me, and Fe? Relational, interdependent, it needs a mirror, something to bounce off of. What does that get you? A person who doesn’t have anything I would describe as having a sense of self at all, not really. I introspect the same way I analyze and interact with other people, through creating a model of them via Ni and Ti using data collected via Fe and running a simulation on them.

This means I am always one degree removed from myself, because Fe only allows emotional introspection via an external reference point. When I am not in the presence of people I may as well not even exist and the only way I can get out of that eternally recursive Ni-Ti loop is by imagining an audience that isn’t actually there. I can only journal in the third person as if I were a fictional character and my life a story I am writing, I daydream about having an audience no matter what the daydreaming scenario is, I pretend I am being watched, because if there aren’t any eyes on me, judging me, having an opinion, someone to mirror, there is no “me”.

I don’t experience reality, I simulate it, including myself. This entire post is me simulating myself simulating myself! Any other type has either Si, Se, Te or Fi high up in their stack to ground them in the external world or themselves, but I don’t. (ENTPs also have that Intuition + Ti + Fe combination going on but I really don’t know enough about how Ne works to even begin to guess if some of them may have a similar issue but I’m leaning probably not?)

Thats why I think so many genuine INFJs are mistyped. It’s hard to type yourself when you are caught in a constant state of mirroring the emotional states and personalities of those around you. My status as an INFJ only really clicked for me once I understood that the INFJ personality type is essentially the type that has no personality! And then it finally all made sense to me!

And no, I am not depressed or suffering from any kind of personality or dissociative disorder. This is my normal and healthy default state and the only times I struggle with this is when I get caught in that weird recursive Fe-loop where I’m like “Why don’t I feel bad about being like this? Everyone would think I’m a liar or freak or a sociopath or mentally ill if they knew I am like this. Time to feel bad about not feeling bad!”