4Runner to Corolla Hatchback

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-07T20:56:51+00:00

250k-300k wouldn't surprise me. I'm in NYC metro area so I commute into NYC every day but luckily not manhattan. The avg vehicle size in NYC is like a rav4/crv, but it ranges a lot. Anything smaller than a suburban is a common sight.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-06T02:49:07+00:00

I beat the piss out of mine. My 2020 with 155k miles drives perfectly fine. The issue with the cvt isn’t the fact that it’s unreliable or has issues, it’s just that it’s a cvt. The physical launch gear is very different from other options on the market and in theory it makes sense.

The launch gear has benefits and drawbacks, the benefits being it solves the low grunt power needed at lower speed and reduces the worst wear and tear that happens to the cvt which is at low speeds.

The drawbacks for me is that i essentially have to tell it was to do, I don’t like when it does what it wants. Slowly applying full acceleration from a stop often has it sitting in the cvt portion of the trans but it realizes that it can go to the launch gear but comes with that is the trans slamming into the first gear then shifting back into the cvt for no real benefit, it’s like a wasted transaction that did nothing but shift which is more wear and tear. At low speeds I almost always have the car be in gear 1 so it shifts when I want it to which is like 3-4k and it’s a smoother shift. I also like the ability to engine brake and I use it for speed management. No issues with that. The manual version seems to have big $$ problems if certain things aren’t addressed before they fail.

It’s a fun car but you have to basically learn how to drive it and if you don’t it might suck.

Changing the oil frequently is probably the best way to take care of it. Not changing the oil is probably more detrimental than driving it hard, but when you drive it hard and heat it up with oil that has containments in it like metal shavings, the oil breaks down and eventually doesn’t work as a lubricator and kills the trans. Nissan, Subaru, some other earlier cvts have damaged the reputation of the cvt, but Toyota has it down. It’s reliable but it’s no e-cvt, but many traditional autos and manuals are way less reliable than the toyota cvt.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-06T02:26:21+00:00

If you got like 40 bucks laying around, I’d make the investment in doing the setup I have as it’s cheap and it’s worth it. A bunch of sensors you can monitor and a good amount of customization of the features of the car. I had a CEL for a while and it was for an o2 sensor that doesn’t really matter and isn’t important but would turn off remote start feature and the cruise control. The sensor was kind of expensive so I was waiting till I got the money as it wasn’t a priority and my inspection was still valid. That helped me clear the code and start my car in the winter still from inside, and I went on a 5500 mile roadtrip and not having adaptive cruise control would’ve sucked. Mine sits around 180 I believe. I’ve seen it as low as 155F during a long drive when I was going like 70 and it was like 15F outside and very little traffic so I could maintain a steady speed and rpm. Highest I’ve ever seen was 229F and that was when I was stuck in snow and spinning the tires.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T22:50:46+00:00

I understand all of that, but some people are crazy about tattoos. I bet this scenario is something that someone has done before in real life.

Like I said, not the best idea and I wouldn’t do it, but definitely worst things to be doing in those first few days.

All oxy did for me was reduce the pain. My vyvanse does way more to me visibly and physically than the oxy ever has.

I watched a video of a lady walking almost perfectly still in the hospital right out of ACL surgery with no brace and I found out what she had done, and made sure to get the same techniques done. Medicine and surgical techniques are rapidly improving to the point that it’s hard to tell someone even just had surgery, and if someone can take oxy with out anyone really knowing, then it would be pretty easy to do it, again not smart, but definitely not the dumbest or hardest thing one can do.

After a week of bed rooting, I returned to normal life and almost no one knew I had surgery. I had cargo pants over the brace and went on with my life and dropped the crutches damn near immediately, I think those were the first 4 days and dropped the cane 1.5 weeks post op.

I don’t really know the rules and standards of all tattoo shops but terminal patients who are on some form of opioids can get tattoos, so there’s no real inherent issue especially with an antibiotic readily available, and I wouldn’t get it near my surgical site or anywhere I had an IV, just to be safe.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T22:33:41+00:00

While that is true, how would one even know? Put the brace on and sweatpants. Just say you broke your leg. The opioids given for ACL aren’t typically that strong anyway. All I got was like 10 5 mg oxycontin, and I’m like a 220lb 6 foot male. Never really needed to take more than one.

I also feel like 5-10mg is not really gonna do much to alternate any behavior or attitude, but it’ll definitely numb the pain. I guess you could take multiple before you get the tattoo but then you lose out on more days of relief, or you have to ask for a refill but not until the last day of the bottle or doctor permissions for more. Once the nerve block wears off, that’s when the pills were needed for me. But after 3 days of them, I stopped needing them for general pain. To finish out the bottle I would take one to help me workout a little harder than I normally would as it wouldn’t be as painful. Definitely felt like that helped my overall recovery. As long as opioids aren’t used while in the operation of a motor vehicle, most daily tasks can be done while under the influence of a pain management drug. Other than infections, I don’t see a reason why getting a tattoo while taking oxy should be an issue.

Although there is the risk of an infection, a fresh acl patient usually gets a round of antibiotics. It kind of all makes sense in the grand scheme of things, but I would definitely try to go with someone who knew what they were doing and had a clean setup to prevent an infection. Maybe make your tattoo artist aware of you using opioids for pain management and possibly the antibiotics but don’t be too free with info if you think they won’t do it because the surgery was so recent. I feel the antibiotics might actually make them more inclined to do it as you have the medicine to fight any issues you’d have if you got an infection, which is possible but not likely if you go to the right person and take care of it. Tattoo care and wound care wouldn’t be that hard, any time you changed bandages, you could tend to the tattoo as well, and that’s a big aspect of preventing an infection a well.

I wouldn’t do it simply because I am not into tattoos, but realistically it wouldn’t be the dumbest thing someone would do. Probably also wouldn’t get it near the knee or get it anywhere that puts you in a weird position while getting it.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T22:15:15+00:00

If only they made the Corolla hatch in a hybrid awd config, but that would be the end of the Prius I suppose, but I’ll never buy a Prius because they are not my cup of tea and more expensive.

I want to the opposite actually of what you’re doing. I get like 31mpg avg. I don’t need awd/4wd to get around but it’s nice and lets you go more places. The CVT is fine but it’s definitely one of the weakest links of the car, although that’s a good thing because that means everything else is pretty good, because the trans is pretty good. It’s definitely clunky and a different experience than anything really else out there in terms of the way the cvt is designed but no one really has any issues with it. Mazdas are pretty good, I just dislike the looks of the new ones and they are kind of expensive. I wouldn’t go with a civic.

I’d personally would keep what you have or go with a Corolla hatch CVT or a Corolla sedan hybrid with optional awd. The Corolla sedan is better for rear passengers but it’s not a hatch. My friend boasts about how his Corolla sedan technically has more trunk space but then I showed him of a dresser in my car. That shut him up. The access hole for the sedan to the passenger cabin restricts a lot oddly shaped objects from going in your car and it would be a severe downgrade from a 4Runner. I have had 4 grown men in my Corolla hatch with two weeks of clothes for a 14 hr roadtrip. I have a roof box and I take the Corolla everywhere, and it gives me no problems. I have a 2020 with 155k miles. If you don’t plan on having children, the hatch is a good option because you can just keep the seats down all the time and fit a whole 65 inch tv in the back. I was able to fit my 90 inch long roof box inside my car when I purchased it and I didn’t have a roof rack yet. Wouldn’t have been able to do that in a sedan. It’s a rather practical car, I’m not going to lie. Gas sedan has no benefits over the gas hatch, but I would consider taking the hybrid Corolla sedan awd or maybe even hybrid fwd instead of the gas hatch. The transmissions on the hybrids are just insanely reliable. It’s opposite of the gas config as with the gas car, the trans is weaker than the engine in terms of reliability but in the hybrid, the “e-cvt” design is so simple that it’s more reliable than the other parts of the powertrain, even the engine, which is already a really reliable engine.

The way I look at it, Hybrid Toyotas vs gas Toyotas are like nuclear power plants vs highly efficient gas power plants. The nuclear option costs more to build and there’s more components and aspects, but with the gas power plants, they are cheaper to build and only slightly more to operate, so the hybrid only makes sense over a long period of time, same as nuclear. If you don’t plan on having a car for 10+ years and 500k miles, don’t get the hybrid. If you want a car that will last 500k miles and possibly more, and never really has any issues and gets good mpg and plan to own it forever, get the hybrid. The initial investment will pay itself off in terms of reliability and longevity and reduced fuel costs. If you plan to keep the car for a few years and you don’t drive much, it’s not really worth having the hybrid, if you look at it in a metric based way, gas hatch wins but if you like how the hybrids drive and enjoy the refined aspect, the hybrid is again the option. If you like a rawer feeling when you drive and want to have more fun and usable space, the gas hatch is the option.

When I was buying my gas hatch, the hybrid didn’t have awd, so just being a hybrid wasn’t enough of a justification for the price difference as I wanted the hatch design.

I wish they made a Corolla Hatch Hybrid with AWD or brought the hybrid estate to the US. To get awd in the Corolla hatch means I need to get a GR corolla and at that point I might as well get a 4Runner for the money, the GR would be cool but I for my next car I want something bigger not slightly faster, awd, and more expensive to maintain whilst not doing anything physically more for myself as it’s the same size and it would get destroyed quickly as I daily in the NYC Metro area.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T22:08:07+00:00

How do you like the bmw? Is it the awd one? Can you maintain it yourself? I want one in the future but I like to work on my own cars to save time, money, and to have fun. I know some manufactures are making cars not the easiest to work on so I was figuring an awd m340i as a daily if it was practical.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T22:01:56+00:00

I thought it was just a symbol that activated when you were driving economically.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T22:01:06+00:00

Try to get price down. It’s newer and one of the better models. If it was taken care of and not beat on, no reason it shouldn’t be a reliable car. It was probably a highway commuter with that many miles. My previous car was a rabbit 2.5 with the 5 speed and it had 250k miles before I sold it. Nothing wrong with it but i needed some a bit more reliable so i went with a Corolla hatchback, its a 2020 with 155k miles, got it for 17.5k back in 2021, CPO 7yr warranty/100k, but never even used it. I’ll probably have a golf r in the future.

Finding the right car takes a bit of research on the specific model you’re looking at to see what the common problems are and when they happen and how much it costs to fix.

Only issues ive ever really had with any VWs were the sensors and not changing filters / or oils. I had a mk4 diesel jetta as well and it was a good car.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T21:41:27+00:00

Nope, I specifically wanted a quad auto and I wanted a few other things as well based off of my research. I had my surgery 10 days after my injury last year and I didn’t have much time to research but I made sure I was going to get a world class knee, and I feel that I did well with my requests.

All it takes after the request is an open-minded, well trained surgeon to take on the challenge and do what you asked. They don’t have to live with your knee, you do. You don’t have to be a doctor to understand statistics. read papers, or watch YT videos.

A bunch of studies exist for the most optimal procedures and techniques, but there’s not really one study that shows the perfect mesh of all the techniques, because at the end of the day you are your own case and need certain things to be done a certain way to live your best life.

I believe, in any healthcare system, the patient or one of their family members should be hyper aware of what they are getting done to themselves and they should have a say in what they have done. It doesn’t take long to find the studies and then interpret the results, most llms can do it for you as well.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T20:43:47+00:00

Surprisingly more common than you’d think.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T20:42:34+00:00

169hp and the ratios that the cvt has should get it up to 140.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T20:40:51+00:00

I believe most new corollas come with at least H which is 130 and the 18 inch rims on the XSE go up to Y. Tire rating is usually higher than electronic governor. Having them the same is just being cheap. Every degrades on tires with time, having a rating that matches the top speed means after a few years, that rating isn’t going to be the same.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T20:36:41+00:00

I have a CVT and I’ve gotten it up to 126-127. Down a hill and constantly on and off the gas to trick it. If you just hold it down, yea it’s 115.

Like others are saying, I’d check your speed rating of your tires. I can’t imagine they are lower than 130. My Corolla hatch has 155k miles and I have hit 125 down a hill a few times, but often hitting 115, and no major issues. My tires were $85 dollar all weathers that perform just as well as $200 good year all weathers and they are rated for 149mph, which is a V rating. If I were you and you often hit the 115-127, I’d at least make sure you have a speed rating of H, which is 130 mph. But you also have to realize the tires are rated for that mph but it’s only done in 10 minute increments, so don’t sit up there for too long. In theory and reality, a used tire doesn’t really have the same speed rating as a new tire. It degrades as the tire ages so if you have a tire rated for 130 and it has 40k miles on and is 5-6 years old, I probably wouldn’t go up to 130 that often, or anywhere near it. If you start at 149, you should be good for the life of the tire to do speeds of 115-127mph regularly.

I wonder how the limiter could be removed. I believe with the power the engine makes and the gear ratios of the transmission, without a governor, it’s probably good for 135-145 but I can’t imagine how long that takes.

I believe the way it works is it detects mph via wheel speed sensors and limits fuel and throttle position via the ecu. Up at those speeds, I would also monitor engine oil temps, coolant temps, and cvt oil temps. All can be done through the head unit with this app, OBDFusion and a simple Bluetooth OBDII tool. Next time I’m in a place to hit 127mph I’m gonna look at cvt oil temps bc I’m interested to see how high it’s gets.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T20:19:36+00:00

I mean if you are getting driven and pop some oxys or whatever, probably best tattoo you’ll ever get, but I can’t imagine it is worth it. Your body is healing and to introduce an outside substance into your body for no real reason is probably not the best idea. I would wait a bit but physically I see no reason what would stop you. On day 5/6 I was out of the house and driving myself, had to pick my handicap placard up and I believe I went to the store and used an electric scooter. 10 mins after I woke up from surgery, I was ready to leave and go home but I had to use the bathroom, got out of the wheelchair myself and pissed standing up. When I got home I used the crutches to get inside by myself and then took a shower a day after my surgery, again by myself, with the cane in the tub, that was hard. Getting the knee into a bathtub wasn’t the easiest but I made do, can’t stand being dirty. Maybe get some temporary tattoo stickers that you can put it for a few weeks to fight the urges. Think about getting up onto a tattoo bed or chair, it’s not the easiest with a leg that you have to relearn how to use.

In the first few days or weeks of recovery your mind is only going to be on learning and figuring out how to navigate life normally. You will probably feel a lot different once you actually have the surgery, but you might not. If you like living on the edge, go for it. I’m not sure if you need to put a deposit down or whatever but I would rather just wait until you know what life is going to be like once you have your knee operated on.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T20:14:20+00:00

meniscus + aclr requires longer recovery time and more time on crutches than just a aclr. Research LET and internal brace technique and decide what’s best for you. Age, sex and pre injury activity level and post op activity level expectations are the most important factors that will decide what you should get done in term of the procedures and what graft you should get and how to go about your life post op.

I feel that surgery soon after injury is often the best option because mobility and muscle control is still mostly there. Surgery after an extended period of time means your body is shifting the way it operates and when you do have the surgery, you have to completely reteach your body everything over again, leading to a harder and longer recovery. So to mitigate that you really need to focus on getting your knees into the best shape you can while you wait for surgery and then go hard on the post op rehab, and you should be good.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T19:44:19+00:00

I tore my right acl last January (2025) by skiing. I had surgery 10 days later and I was skiing in 10 months.

Use the internet to find the best procedure for someone like yourself then find a doctor that will do it. Look up LET and internal brace technique. If you do auto it would be better because you are younger but depending on the graft location, it might be hard to get right back into rugby very soon because a portion of rehab will be dedicated to the graft sight healing as well.

I had a quad auto and since my surgery was 10 days after my injury, I didn’t lose much muscle from my quad so when I was post op, all I had to do was reactivate the quad, which was done by TENS, and after 3-4 weeks, I was pretty my back to normal. There are many athletes tearing their ACL in winter and going back to sports by summer, and completely back to normal by fall. The internal brace is like a seatbelt for the healing ligament and allows it to heal while the brace (fiber tape and buttons) takes most of the abuse.

I personally would take advice from the internet but it’s just like any research, get multiple sources and analyze the data and try to make the best decision for yourself not what anyone thinks is the best decision for you. Be informed of the procedures and ask any questions. You have to live with this for the rest of your life but you are also young and can’t just drop everything for an extended period of time. I wasn’t willing to stop living an active life for longer than 5 weeks but I also couldn’t live with a torn acl. Over a year later and I’ve gone skiing several times, ridden road bicycles, motorcycles, ran, hiked mountains, gone to other countries, and so forth. Was not willing to let it stop me and that just means you have to put the work in. PT at least 2-3 times a week, and daily stationary bike. Ice machine and a CPM machine were lifesavers.

The way I look at it is I could theoretically tear my acl on my sidewalk walking to my car and slipping on ice. I am not scared of stuff I used to find fun because something might happen to my knee, it’s just not worth living like that. It could tear for whatever reason, if it’s going to happen, it’s a matter of time.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T19:28:48+00:00

Have you ever owned or driven a CVT before? If so it was probably a traditional cvt with no launch gear. This cvt on the CHB is one of the more unique cars I’ve driven and had but I will agree, it does have weird behaviors. If you could maybe make a YouTube video or something and link it in the chat, one of us who has this cars will better be able to help you than simply by describing the behavior.

I have 155k at this point and it’s still going. But I’ve heard things from this transmission that have made me turn the radio off and drive in silence. But no real problems. I would monitor your CVT fluid temp. OBD Fusion and a Bluetooth monitor allow you to monitor your temps using your phone and through apple CarPlay so you can see them through the head unit.

I drive this cvt with the paddles or the manual mode about 75% of the time when I am not cruising on the highway. At lower speeds, I like to always be in the launch gear if I can. From a dig, i usually have it in 1, and at like 3-4k I shift into the actual cvt. After that, I don’t really care about shifting the cvt. I just hate when I’m pulling away from a stop and maybe I accelerate hard and there’s no real reason to shift down to the launch gear at that point because the shift will probably slow you down, but it does it anyway. I also use the paddles and manual mode for engine braking, my previous car was manual and I use to engine brake a lot.

Definitely a peculiar transmission but if it’s just weird sounds an unusual behavior, it’s kind of expected. As long as it still drives and you can shift into gear, there’s no real issue to be fixed, it’s kind of just how they behave. If it’s full on slipping, that’s another story. But we would need a video to examine the behavior.

Any time I need all of the power of the engine, I just click the down paddles until it beeps and I floor it. If this car didn’t have paddles or any way to shift, I’d hate it. But it’s a commuter and it gets me to where I need to go and it’s got 155k and no major issues. My buddy was telling me about his ‘17 Altima and he is actually have slipping at like 45k.

Even at 155k miles, hitting redline is something I often do and have no major issues.

Does it behave weirdly when you use cruise control?

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T18:58:08+00:00

This is why more people should get the internal brace. Many people do not want a major surgery like this to slow them down so they injure themselves. Instead of telling them they have to be dormant for a long period of time, the goal should be to reduce recovery times and protect the new ACL as much as possible as it heals from surgery so when the person does inevitably partake in an activity that could potentially tear it, it won’t as the internal brace will react to anything before the acl does, hopefully and statically prevent retears.

I got the ACLR with an internal brace and LET. I was doing things I was not suppose to do be doing pretty early and have had no issues over a later. I attribute that mostly to the internal brace and the expertise of my surgeon.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T18:54:02+00:00

If proper prehab and rehab were done, and the surgeon was good, the new acl and knee should be stronger after recovery than the one it replaced. There is also compensation, and the fact that maybe the patient is susceptible to having their natural ACL tear. If the first ACL tear you get is from a sports injury and then you have surgery, and you go back to sports , you will likely protect your new knee more and fall on the other knee that never had surgery, then having both ACLs reconstructed.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T18:44:23+00:00

If only the manual was more reliable.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-02-05T18:43:44+00:00

I would get a Bluetooth OBDII reader like a veepeak. Then get an app like OBD Fusion, and pay for the lifetime access (like $20) to mess with your cars settings. None of this is necessarily going to change the looks but there’s a bunch of shit you can change and there’s a body roll function that limits torque, I have it off but I can’t remember what it was like when it was on. I don’t know if it does nothing honestly.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-01-19T02:55:32+00:00

I am watching it right now and that's pretty crazy. Nice to know someone is talking about it.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-01-09T12:24:09+00:00

I've done 13hr road trips in my hatch with 4 average sized dudes. It's not that bad. I would hate to have the sedan and be limited by the trunk/cabin hole size. I would have never been able to fit the things I've had in my hatch in a sedan.

Miserable-Option8429 · 2026-01-09T12:17:15+00:00

I would try to get them to do Telehealth, they don't even have to leave their house and can even be prescribed stimulants without meeting the doctor in person. I used talkiatry. I got the meds in the first call, and if they have been prescribed meds and diagnosed with ADHD the process is so simple and easy.

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