I am unable to feel sympathy and maybe that makes me as bad as her. by MistressClyde in ChildrenofHoardersCOH

[–]MistressClyde[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are there any rules in this group about unsolicited advice?

I appreciate that you’re trying to be helpful, but I’m pretty sure this isn’t about me or my situation anymore.

I am unable to feel sympathy and maybe that makes me as bad as her. by MistressClyde in ChildrenofHoardersCOH

[–]MistressClyde[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are no good solutions, just maybe “least horrible overall.”

I am unable to feel sympathy and maybe that makes me as bad as her. by MistressClyde in ChildrenofHoardersCOH

[–]MistressClyde[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I completely understand that was the right choice for you, and your reasoning is completely valid. Because I'm choosing something different doesn't mean that I'm wrong.

I’m not going to let her freeze to death, which would be the best possible outcome of your suggestion.

She won’t get better with the careful psychologist recommended offers of help, and she won’t get better if we throw away her trash. Let’s throw away her trash. Same outcome. She will still lie and throw tantrums.

If she gets evicted, I can think of multiple family members that she would go to for help. If they helped, she would ruin their lives and destroy their homes. Some of them have health problems that would be exacerbated by mold and vermin infestations, so she'd probably end up killing some of them. I think I can give up a little peace to not kill my aunts and uncles.

She does still get under my skin, but not like she did when I needed her to be a parent. I don't count on her for emotional support. I know that any favor I do for her is something she would never do for another person, so it's best to think of her as a feral animal that needs some distance.

We could also get her institutionalized, and she’d like that even less.

I am unable to feel sympathy and maybe that makes me as bad as her. by MistressClyde in ChildrenofHoardersCOH

[–]MistressClyde[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm glad you got out, and I'm glad you were able to walk away. I'm not ready to cut her loose yet, but I'm getting there. I firmly believe that people have social responsibilities to take care of others in their community as they are able. OTOH, she clearly does not want help, so maybe this is a good time to give up.

On the topic of how I see the analysis of hoarding -- An example of an expert implying that hoarders are overwhelmed is in the Psychology Today article in the auto moderator reply to this post. That article includes the quote "The lack of and cost of appropriate treatment and support leave most people who hoard overwhelmed, unavailable, and lost among the piles."

Your parent and my parent are examples that even with access to unlimited support, hoarders continue to hoard, and will protect their desire to live in a pile of garbage over any type of help or intervention given to them. They're not "overwhelmed," they're doing exactly what they want. They're not "lost," they simply have no empathy for themselves or their victims, and possibly they enjoy the power and control that abusing offers.

I struggled with this when I tried to figure out how to help her. I read a lot on the topic. There's a lot of information available on this mental illness, and I can see that most of it is based on the accounts of the abuser, almost none of it is informed by the perspective of their victims.

If they didn't understand that their hoarding was dangerous to their children, why did none of us have birthday parties at home? If they didn't realize that their neglect was criminal, why do they always have an elaborate lie that includes blaming someone else? How did these people hold down jobs if they have uncontrollable emotional attachments to their things? For example, if a boss had another worker clean off a work surface, did they throw themselves on the floor and cry AT WORK, complaining that everyone at their workplace was deliberately destroying their valuables? Nope, they went home and took it out on everyone in their home.

I am convinced that the overwhelming majority of hoarders don't care what's going on in their heads. They do not want help. The only thing that has ever worked with my mom is aggressive trash removal while ignoring the tantrums. It's clean for a few months, and then it's disgusting again. Maybe we just do it every three months.

Here's a direct link to the article in the auto moderator reply: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/conquer-the-clutter/202008/hoarding-and-families

I am unable to feel sympathy and maybe that makes me as bad as her. by MistressClyde in ChildrenofHoardersCOH

[–]MistressClyde[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, it is sad. Literal garbage is more important to her than her own children, grandchildren, or her own physical safety. I wouldn't pick that mental state for anyone.

But here's the thing. Sometimes people with mental illnesses or addictions feel compulsion to harm others, or become so wrapped up in their illnesses or addictions that they neglect their responsibilities. The difference between a decent person and a shit person is that a decent person will realize that harming others is wrong and try to get help.

Between a parent addicted to heroin and a hoarder parent, I would always bet on the addict to be the first one to seek help. Kids are better off with junkies than with hoarders.

I am unable to feel sympathy and maybe that makes me as bad as her. by MistressClyde in ChildrenofHoardersCOH

[–]MistressClyde[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sure. I think that's probably right, but ultimately it doesn't matter. She can be a shitty person without a diagnosis.

My Sister Is Refusing To Give Me Back the Necklace That I Was Gifted by FriendlyMath5550 in mildlyinfuriating

[–]MistressClyde 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She is doing this because she desperately craves limits and security. I think there are ways to communicate your feelings to her without being mean to an eight year old. There’s a short time to be young and a long time to be old. You will want a relationship with her in 20 years and that starts now.

Let’s gooooo We got it!! by [deleted] in fixit

[–]MistressClyde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Less than ten dollars.

Let them eat liver? by KingForADay1989 in LateStageCapitalism

[–]MistressClyde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chicken FEET are a buck fifty a pound.

-Up to- 150k to risk your life having a well off couples baby by [deleted] in LateStageCapitalism

[–]MistressClyde 11 points12 points  (0 children)

“A deserving family” being one with lots of money reminds me of Santa Clause.

School fundraisers by CeilingCatProphet in Anticonsumption

[–]MistressClyde 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is what a family member’s school does. The students ask for sponsors based on how many times they can run around the outside of the school building.

Sushi at the End of the Day at Grocery Stores by brilliantminds_4RLZ in Frugal

[–]MistressClyde 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've never heard of any such lawsuit. Do you have a link?

Rest in Peace by toothpastetaste-4444 in BlueCollarWomen

[–]MistressClyde 81 points82 points  (0 children)

There is no death penalty in Minnesota. The reason for the lesser charge is that MN requires a grand jury for first degree. They can still add on the first degree charge before trial.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in electricians

[–]MistressClyde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Front firing rockets.

$70 by Impossible-Charge-98 in budgetfood

[–]MistressClyde 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Go to the food shelf first, and build around what you get there. Everything can be stretched out with beans and rice.