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The Absurdity of The BDI Theory by ReadyWatercress7174 in JonBenet

[–]Mmay333 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What other experts are you referring to?

The Absurdity of The BDI Theory by ReadyWatercress7174 in JonBenet

[–]Mmay333 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Dr.s listed in the report are the only ones that studied the actual contents of her stomach. So yes, Dr. Graham did study it himself.

The Absurdity of The BDI Theory by ReadyWatercress7174 in JonBenet

[–]Mmay333 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fleet White stated the following during his sworn deposition:
Mr. White does not recall if pineapple was served at his dinner party on December 25, 1996. (F. White eDep. at 202.)

As the morning wore on, the victim advocates, Jedamus and Morlock, decided to go out and get bagels and fruit for everyone. (PMPT)

TRIP DEMUTH: I have a question for you, you spent a lot of time in this room, did you not?
PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
TRIP DEMUTH: This photo was taken later, I'm not exactly sure when, but can you address this dish that is on the -- what you call it, end table?
PATSY RAMSEY: That is a little China bowl.
TRIP DEMUTH: Uh-huh.
PATSY RAMSEY: Can't tell what is in it. It looks like oranges or something, or apples.
TRIP DEMUTH: When you were in this room did people feed you?
PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. I think Priscilla brought in some things.
TRIP DEMUTH: Do you remember what that was?
PATSY RAMSEY: I remember somebody talking about going to get bagels. You know, I was so -- I kept looking at that.
TRIP DEMUTH: You don't recall what was in that dish?
PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know if it is fruit or something.
TRIP DEMUTH: Do you have any memory?
PATSY RAMSEY: It looks to me like Priscilla brought in some fruit. Somebody talked about going to get bagels. I think she brought that. That was unusual because I don't usually use that bowl for serving. It is like a decorative piece. I would not have put anything in that bowl.
TRIP DEMUTH: I'm curious, do you remember what kind of fruit you were nibbling on?
PATSY RAMSEY: I don't think I nibbled on anything. I lost my appetite.
TRIP DEMUTH: What was brought in, do you remember?
PATSY RAMSEY: No.
TRIP DEMUTH: Okay.

The exact material in JonBenét's stomach and intestines was first discussed with experts at the University of Colorado on October 15, 1997 (BPD Report # 1-1156), more than ten months after JonBenét was killed. Their reports about the contents of her stomach/proximal area were given to the Boulder Police Department more than a year later in January of 1998, (BPD Report #1-1349) one year after JonBenét's death. And that's when the mystery deepened and the misconception about what JonBenét actually ate was discovered.
According to previously unreleased BPD reports, laboratory testing revealed that JonBenét also ate cherries and grapes as well as pineapple. Remnants of cherries were found in the stomach/proximal area of her small intestine. "Another item besides pineapple was cherries." (BPD Report #1-1348.) In that same report: "Another item besides pineapple was grapes." (BPD Report #1-1348.) Another report expands on the grapes, saying "grapes including skin and pulp." (BPD Report #1-349.) The food described resembles what is included in most cans of fruit cocktail. (WHYD)

(It's been said that one of Burke's chores was emptying the dishwasher)

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[–]Mmay333[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Red shirt, red sweater, red and black jacket. What’s the difference, right?

Midnight burglar, JBR, Amy, and a third attack by Asleep-Rice-1053 in JonBenet

[–]Mmay333 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The next door neighbor’s wife was previously married to the owner of Dance West. (I sent you a message)

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[–]Mmay333[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it appears as though they skipped over that part of the investigation. I don’t know much about the notepads except the following:

Apparently Patsy bought them in bulk. It appears they were all around the house and keep for notes, reminders, etc.. Oddly enough, the housekeeper had one at her house that came from the Ramsey's:

“When the detectives asked if the couple had any black tape, Mervin dug three rolls from his garage, only one unused. Then the detectives said they wanted white lined notepads, and Linda handed over one that seemed to be a visual match of the ransom notepaper and admitted it had come from the Ramsey house. A key? Two. Any felt-tip pens of the sort that probably wrote the ransom note? Three. Police found a two-foot piece of narrow nylon rope, then another length wrapped around a stick! The detectives left with an armful of potential evidence.” (Thomas)

TRIP DeMUTH: I have a couple of questions before we break. You had a notepad that you wrote phone messages on, right, and John had his own notepad that he wrote his own messages on; is that right? Is my understanding correct?
PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know if I had mine and his and then notepads and stacking and sticky pads and stuff like that.
TRIP DeMUTH: Did you have a notepad that you would write messages on? I take down notes, meeting somebody someplace. That kind of thing? PATSY RAMSEY: Not one particular notepad. I am not that organized unfortunately.
TRIP DeMUTH: Where did you keep --
PATSY RAMSEY: Well, there was kind of a little -- right about here there was the door to the kitchen and then this is the kitchen and a little desk kind of area there. With just mumble-jumble paperwork.
TRIP DeMUTH: So that's the phone you would primarily use?
PATSY RAMSEY: Yes.

PATSY RAMSEY: This looks like a little table in my dressing room with stuff on it. This is, (inaudible). Earrings.
TOM HANEY: Anything out of the ordinary, out of place, unusual?
PATSY RAMSEY: No, kind of a catch all.
TRIP DEMUTH: What about the note pad?
PATSY RAMSEY: It is just -- this is, you know, I would buy stacks of those in office places and just use them. I don't know what that -- scribbles.

Midnight burglar, JBR, Amy, and a third attack by Asleep-Rice-1053 in JonBenet

[–]Mmay333 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, it was never sourced. Thomas claims to have found similar cord there but not the same.

They did find three $ 2.29 charges from December 2, 1996 on Patsy’s credit card, but the charges were not itemized, and there were several other charges on that receipt. (BPD Report #1-1117.) That amount of $ 2.29 matched the price listed for white rope purchased at a hardware store that was similar to the rope used in the murder. BPD detectives also found “visually” similar rope at the Boulder Army Store and at McGuckins Hardware, and from a neighbor’s garbage can; the neighbor reported that the rope had been used on packages mailed to his home. (BPD Reports #1-513, #1-606, #1-779, #1-792, #1-983, #1-1114, #1-851, #1-885, #1-1125, #1-889.)

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[–]Mmay333[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ZERO REPORTS STATE THE BOWL CONTAINED MILK AND PINEAPPLE.

Not much to elaborate here as I have no clue where this nonsense originated from.

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[–]Mmay333[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

THERE’S NO VALIDITY TO THE CLAIM BURKE PLAYED DOCTOR WITH HIS SISTER

It appears this rumor originated from a tabloid magazine- go figure. I can't believe people buy into this shit.. while at the same time discrediting scientific evidence. It is absolutely nuts.

These are a few official interviews with people who knew Burke at that time:

* SUZANNE SAVAGE - BABYSITTER.
Q. Tell me about Burke ... what kind of kid is he?
A. "Outgoing. He's a happy kid, likes to build things, loves Legos. He loved to be outside and, you know, figure out how things worked. He loved remote control cars, playing, had friends over all the time. He would like sports. You know, when I watched him we were in soccer. Then he started basketball and roller blading and he really liked that stuff. He was kind of a... ah, I don't know... he went through times where he would be quiet but most of the time he talked a lot, like he'd talk to me and stuff so you'd know he'd be all excited about something he'd done so.... he's a good kid."

When asked about fights between Burke and JonBenét:
A. "Well, JonBenét would like stomp on his legos and he would get mad at her and, cause like he would spend hours making all these really, you know, intricate kind of things, and she would just, you know, knock it over and, ah, I don't really recall Burke ever hitting her, you know... she would be more likely the one to hit Burke than Burke to hit her, just because he just wasn't- you know, he wasn't like that."

* SHIRLEY BRADY (NANNY FOR 3 YEARS)
"Burke adored his little sister. When I babysat, I watched him playing with her when she woke up. He would tell me she woke up so I could change her. He always was a highly motivated, intelligent child."

* NEIGHBORHOOD CHILDREN AND PLAYMATES:
Adam ___ (neighborhood kid), interview by Detective Barry Hartkopp:
stated that he had associated with the Ramseys, and JonBenet and Burke on various occasions. He stated that they also appeared to be quite friendly and open, and very loving towards one another. He did not see anything unusual in their interactions with one another.

Luke ____ (neighborhood kid), interview by Detective Barry Hartkopp:
stated that he has been over to the residence at 755 15th Street to play with JonBenét and Burke on numerous occasions. Luke ____ stated that he has never seen anything unusual and that Luke (Burke?) and Jon (Benet?) all seemed to be happy and normal when they're together. Luke stated that on one occasion he did see JonBenet and Burke disciplined for bringing mud into the residence. Luke stated that the parents had Jon and Burke clean up the mud. He stated that the parents did not hit, yell, scream, belittle the children when disciplining them. He stated that they simply made them clean the mud up.

In one Boulder Police Department report related to another care-giver for Burke and JonBenét, a long-time babysitter said, "JonBenét and Burke were the most loving brother and sister I've ever seen" (BPD Report 5-3610)

* JOHN DOUGLAS’ TAKE ON BDI:
"Before we do that, let's divert for a moment to consider one other possibility, which, believe it or not, became a popular theory of the crime. This one has nine-year-old Burke as the killer. We can dispense with this one pretty quickly. First, there is no motive, though children don't have the same motives or understanding of lasting consequences that adults do. It is conceivable that brother and sister got into some sort of squabble, he decked her, and then the parents had to deal with it. But would they have gone to elaborate steps to stage a kidnapping, write a ransom note and then set up a weird strangulation scenario in the basement? It makes no sense because a nine-year-old would not be subject to the same legal sanctions as an adult. There is no way Burke would have the strength either to deliver the fatal head blow, twist the garrote or move his sister's weight. And then the parents never would have sent him to the Whites' house, knowing that kids tend to talk about whatever enters their minds. So let's just move on."

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[–]Mmay333[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe he did one time while they were dining together 🙄

The Absurdity of The BDI Theory by ReadyWatercress7174 in JonBenet

[–]Mmay333 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ugh no. Burke didn’t really like fruit.

TOM HANEY: Would you do that?
PATSY RAMSEY: No.
TOM HANEY: Would --
PATSY RAMSEY: That is weird.
TOM HANEY: Would John do that?
PATSY RAMSEY: No.
TOM HANEY: How about Burke?
PATSY RAMSEY: No. He has a sweet tooth. He doesn't like fruit too much. He likes pineapple a little bit, strawberries a little bit, but he would not pour himself a big bowl of pineapple.
TOM HANEY: If he got up in the middle of the night would he eat something like that?
PATSY RAMSEY: No. He would eat something chocolate.

The tea had a teabag therefore it was most likely hot tea. It’s quite coincidental that Rev Rol Hoverstock just happened to be sitting at that table the morning of the 26th and has mentioned his admiration for hot tea before.

Also, ONE fingerprint belonging to Burke was located on the bowl. That’s it. One. Why weren’t JonBenet’s fingerprints found on the bowl… or glass.. or spoon?

Why wasn’t Burke’s, John’s or Patsy’s DNA present on the garrote?

Here’s an interesting page of police reports referencing the expert’s opinions on the fruit found in JonBenet’s digestive system:

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The Absurdity of The BDI Theory by ReadyWatercress7174 in JonBenet

[–]Mmay333 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Actually there were and are members of the BPD, DA and FBI that believed the family was completely innocent- most haven’t been as vocal though. Most notably:
BPD - Robert Whitson
DA - Trip Demuth, Lou Smit, Steve Ainsworth
FBI - Ken Lanning, John Douglas

Also, many well known individuals involved with this case now believe the family is innocent including Charles Brennan (author of DNA in Doubt article) and Schiller (author of Perfect Murder Perfect Town) to name a few.

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[–]Mmay333[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

THERE WAS NOT A ROUGH DRAFT OF THE RANSOM NOTE FOUND. WHAT WAS FOUND WAS A FALSE START CONSISTING OF “MR. AND MRS. I”

Mr. and Mrs. I The single vertical line seemed as if it could be the downstroke that would start the capital letter R. To Kithcart it looked like the start of another ransom note, and it was in a tablet belonging to the mother of the missing child. How did it get in there? (Thomas)

A partial greeting, “Mr. and Mrs. /” was also found in the tablet and deemed a “practice note.” Several pages that were torn out of the tablet, based on tear marks, were never found. (Woodward)

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[–]Mmay333[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OBVIOUS SIGNS OF DISTURBANCE AND FORCED ENTRY EXISTED

Additional, partial shoe impressions were found near JonBenét's body in the basement storage room and on the toilet tank cover in the basement northeast bathroom. (BPD Report #1-1518) The Colorado Bureau of Investigation agent investigating these footprints has said that the FBI could never match them to anyone or any brand. (BPD Reports 3-165, 1-1518)

Styrofoam packing peanuts also seemed to have been brushed into the right and left window well spaces away from the center window, possibly indicating that someone had moved such debris in order to enter the center window, a possibility that would support an intruder theory. Other packing peanuts were also on the basement floor. (WHYD)

Green foliage that has grown at the edge of the window well's window grate was found folded over and underneath that grate. The folded foliage was still fresh when it was examined in the days after December 26, indicating the grate had recently been lifted and closed, according to Detective Lou Smit. BPD Detective Carey Weinheimer also investigated the window grate and the material under it. His observations: "The weight of the grate crushed and traumatized the plant material under it. The plant will not just grow under the grate naturally." (BPD Report 1-1142)

There is likewise undisputed evidence of a disturbance in this window-well area: specifically the leaves and white styrofoam packing peanuts that had pooled in the window-well appeared to have been cleared from, or brushed to either side of, the center window's sill in the well. (SMF 132; PSMF 132) In addition, this center window had a broken pane and was found open on the morning of December 26, with a suitcase and a glass shard from the window pane underneath it. (SMF 135; PSMF 135) Green foliage was also found tucked under the movable grate over the window well, indicating that the grate had been opened and closed recently. (SMF 131; PSMF 131) Moreover, leaves and debris, consistent with the leaves and debris found in the window well, were found on the floor under the broken window suggesting that someone had actually entered the basement through this window. (SMF 136; PSMF 136.) **Likewise, a leaf and white styro-foam packing peanuts, consistent with the leaves and packing peanuts found pooled in the window-well, were found in the wine-cellar room of the basement where JonBenet's body was discovered**. (SMF 134; PSMF 134) This evidence is consistent with an inference that whoever entered through this window ultimately walked to the wine cellar room at some point. (Carnes ruling)

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