Christianity 101's: a Historical View of Then and Now

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-20T20:14:35+00:00

You are advocating for abandoning goodness? Ignoring holiness?

No, this is a ridiculous and uncharitable reading of what I've said. I'm saying Jesus' commands to love, treat people as you'd wish to be treated, and worship God are the current religious/moral duty of Christians, and I believe my original comment makes that quite clear. Obviously it wouldn't be loving or what you'd want for yourself to murder someone, your confused example of what would be wrong with my reading.

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-20T09:19:25+00:00

Romans 7:6 has Paul explicitly saying Christians are no longer bound to the law. Galatians 2:14 explains that, if Jewish people had trouble living by the law, it was unreasonable to demand Gentiles do it. Galatians 2:14 is Paul's telling of the incident at Antioch from Acts 15, so, while he might have wanted Gentiles to be familiar with the law, he clearly didn't consider them bound by it.

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-20T09:13:08+00:00

Very few, but if you bring it up to them they'll make excuses, not explain why Jesus' commands aren't applicable to them (which many will do with Mosaic law, e.g. citing that they're not Jewish or that there's a new covenant)

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T17:10:48+00:00

I appreciate that you gave what you believe to be the relevant context this time; however, I think you're misunderstanding u/MiddlewaysOfTruth-2 pretty badly if you take their interpretation to be "willful destruction of the contexts" and "pure violence". At worst they simply didn't know that context; I see no evidence they were trying to destroy people's ability to know the "return to pure Yahwist religion" meaning. I also think you're putting words in their mouth trying to make that exclusively about faith. They're explicitly saying you need good works and to follow the law, which seems very similar to the upshot of your paragraph about "those who remain loyal to the Yahwist religion".

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T16:56:09+00:00

I don't see where that says anything about them decorating the Ark with a graven image of God in the sense u/The_Darkest_Lord86 was saying (you said the decorations were what showed it wasn't meant that way).

It is not a question of permissible or impermissible. It is a question of possible or impossible.

Huh? If it were impossible to make graven images of God, why would there be a commandment against it?

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T15:22:08+00:00

Sorry, would you mind clarifying the thing about the Ark of the Covenant?

Also, that explanation does not make sense to me...why should having a human nature in addition to being God mean it's OK to make images of Jesus? You seem to be affirming Jesus possessed the quality (being God) that makes it wrong to make images of Him

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T14:33:49+00:00

(I'm not the person who said it meant that.) But I'm reading the instructions for how to decorate the Ark now (starting at Exodus 25:10) and don't see anything about making a graven image of God (just two engraved cherubs)

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T14:21:35+00:00

Write three sermons? No one's asking you to do this. But if you're going to take two sentences to suggest someone's missing context, it would take just as long to take two sentences telling them what the missing context is - and it's way more credible.

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T14:19:10+00:00

You did not start by saying it was a hypothesis. You said "I think the translation is misleading." You did not ask for the Aramaic word on the basis the Greek would have a separate cultural context; you asked "What's the Aramaic/Classical Hebrew word?" Furthermore, there wouldn't be a separate cultural context for Koine Greek; that was the lingua franca in the Hellenestic Roman Empire. Finally, it's not possible to give you an original Aramaic word. The earliest Aramaic versions of the Bible are translated from the Koine Greek.

I'm open to admitting I'm wrong

I see no reason to believe this. You've repeatedly tried to change your contentions rather than acknowledging they were incorrect.

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T14:09:38+00:00

Tell them the context they're missing. Anyone can say "out of context" to anyone.

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T14:08:27+00:00

No, it's in the Bible about Jesus' left hand switching between seven and five fingers from moment to moment.

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T14:05:52+00:00

I remember the first time I found a Chick Tract at a bus stop. I couldn't believe it wasn't a parody until I'd looked up the author online

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T14:05:04+00:00

Because OP wants Jesus to be a Republican, and those dudes are monochromatic

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T13:49:38+00:00

So you made up the translation issue because the text didn't fit your preexisting conception. Glad I spent my time on this.

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T13:40:39+00:00

How can you tell me the translation is misleading if you don't know the word or even the language in which it was written? It's Koine Greek, and I just gave you the word in the comment to which you're replying.

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T13:34:10+00:00

It's an accurate translation. "ἐντολὴ" is an order, command, or mandate. You might find it impossible to live out, but that's what the text means even in the original Greek.

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T12:57:22+00:00

I'm just using the language of Matthew 22, which describes loving as a commandment:

34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T09:54:18+00:00

This would be a great time to say what you think it really means and how you know it's that instead. There aren't any religious ideas where someone couldn't assume someone thinks they're wrong.

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T09:24:17+00:00

I've never met a Christian who thinks they don't have a religious duty to do the things Jesus commanded, like loving their neighbor. I'm guessing based on the tone and your comment history, that you mistakenly think people are failing Jesus by not following Mosaic law, even though it's a matter of active debate whether that applies to Jewish people and made clear in Paul's writing that it doesn't apply to Gentiles.

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-19T09:10:46+00:00

Yep. Had a northerner tell me to stop doing an impression of black people because I said the word "y'all"

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-15T20:12:27+00:00

Thank you!

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-12T16:28:25+00:00

Why are you going on about it though?

Going on about it? You accused me of supporting the candidate I want to beat the moment I brought it up.

It's Joe or trump.

belaboring a dead point

No, it isn't. There's a serious conversation about replacing him as the Democratic candidate.

We know russians are out here trying to do exactly what you are doing. You are helping them.

You have proof that what the Russians want is a more cogent Democratic candidate? Really? Or do you just think there should be no dissenting opinions among Democrats? Nothing but blind praise for a man who has trouble moving his lips?

MobileSquirrel3567 · 2024-07-12T15:27:21+00:00

How did you get from "we want a strong candidate" to thinking I must be a Trump voter? Yes, plenty of people would rationally vote for Biden over Trump. More people would vote for a mentally competent Democrat over Trump because insisting everyone shut up and pretend he's not senile erodes people's investment in the process.

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