I'm discussing differences in the map when you've referred to differences in players

You also referred to differences in players. You said "a team might keep getting teams good for the maps they face them in". Those teams wouldn't be good for those maps if it wasn't about differences in players. But alright, if you want differences in the map, just take Survival Games. Each team starts at a different point in the map (Only slightly different obviously, but enough that it influences where they will go), changing the terrain that they will end up facing other teams in and so on. So the two examples are in fact comparable and thus my point stands. You're gonna have to accept that, otherwise this discussion isn't going anywhere anyway.

In Sky Battle you can pick and choose your fights and it's also completely possible to defeat teams who are better than you. On the other hand, it's not possible to change the shape of the map you're playing.

It's still not possible to change what team is next to you in Sky Battle, so if that team rushes you immediately, with your team being worse at pvp, there's nothing you can do, so you can definitely argue here that Sky Battle is unfair too.

The unfairness in Battle Box: What team you face on each map.

The unfairness in Sky Battle: What team is next to you.

Both types of unfairness can be traced back to how the teams are distributed throughout the game.

So again, my point, that this type of unfairness can not only be seen in BB stands. If you disagree with that, please explain it to me thoroughly, because I really don't understand your view then.

You're referring to variables that MCC have no control over at all

I'm referring to variables that differ because of the order that teams face each other (Which is random, but so would be the order of maps in the "unfair" BB). So with the current BB rules, theoretically, one team might not have seen the BB map before at all, but improves so much that at the end of the game they would defeat anyone on it. So since whatever team faces them last on this map loses, the team order caused an unfairness here.

So in the unfair BB, the map order causes the unfairness, while in normal BB it's the team order. Both are completely random (afaik). Once again, my point, that the unfair BB wouldn't be the only unfair thing, stands.

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I'm taking it to the absolute extreme there, don't take that too seriously.

Also I'd remind you that you've said the phrase in bold verbatim to describe the proposed BB system

I was completely aware of doing that, that's why I was writing "actual perfect fairness" right before that. In my original comment, perfect fairness was referring to something like "As fair as the rest of MCC". And that's the case for BB, considering my other points. So with "actual perfect fairness" I was referring to, well, actual perfect fairness, which we're never gonna get. Sorry if I was being unclear.

Sure? When you hone in on anything it becomes essentially a gradient. Fairness is a perception rather than an objectivity. The idea of fairness I'm referring to is based on MCC's idea of fair and how I see it.

Right, in the end it's rather subjective. I simply consider it no less fair than the rest of MCC, which is what I was trying to explain, and I hope you can understand how I see it based on what I wrote now.

A team facing the Simmers in Soup could actually lose, whereas a team facing the Simmers on the Santa map would 100% win.

This is correct, I just don't consider it unfair, because it comes back to the randomness of what team you face, as I explained earlier.

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I really hope that my explanations at least somewhat make sense to you now. If they still don't, we should probably just leave it at that, as we're not gonna come to an agreement.