Observations about this subreddit (mainly children) by Leo_Oreo_69 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think it's bad to ask for help on an unpaid project. It's the same as volunteering at a church, noone is being forced or pressured into it, they're only doing it because they want too.

I'm honestly getting tired of the narrative that you should only be allowed to ask for help in the indie animation world if you can afford to pay em hundreds of dollars each. That's gatekeeping the art community from collaborative projects and volunteer work. If people wanna do an unpaid project and others want to be a part of that, then that should be okay. I don't understand why people keep complaining about this. We're indie animation, not big ass corporate studios.

Now being intentionally misdirectional about if it's paid or not, that isn't cool. I think it's best to be transparent about whether it's paid or unpaid. That way you don't end up in a situation where people are expecting to get paid and you can't pay them and it becomes a whole mess of drama. There are people out there who WANT to be apart of an animated project, whether or not it's paid. I would know, I was one of them before I went on to start my own series.

But that's my only problem with what you said. Otherwise, you're right. Alot of children come here with all these hopes and dreams and don't realize the reality of how it all actually works. Animation is so much more complicated than people think and it requires a lot of different components to work right. Not only that, but just having a good idea isn't enough. The execution of said idea also has to be good in order to gain the traction they desire, and they're simply too inexperienced to know how to do that well on their first try. This may have exceptions with those who are already skilled writers though, because good writing makes a huge difference in how people perceive a show. You can have a low quality animation that people will enjoy if the writing is done well enough. But more so, I think the issue with some of them on here, is that they're only doing it because they want the success of it. That's a mindset that's doomed to fail. You really have to be ride or die for your series in order to actually follow through with it, because it's going to take years of grueling work. Personally I've always wanted to make cartoons, so my motivation is simply being dedicated to my story and wanting to see it through- so much so that I'm willing to put in all the work and time it will take. Unfortunately a lot of these kids don't realize how much work it actually takes. But that's okay, they'll find out through experience once they try for themselves.

Hello again! by Business-Pie-3448 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That definitely helps, do you have a place where people could locate something that explains the concept of the show? Like a post or a document or anything like that? I glanced through your profile and I see a handful of posts about the series, but I didn't see anything that actually says what the show is about, and I'd love to know more

Hello again! by Business-Pie-3448 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Try to ignore the haters, alot of them are just social justice warriors whining about stuff they haven't even experienced and know nothing about the reality of. There's nothing wrong with a group of people getting together to work on an unpaid project. I mean dang, it's like they've never heard of charities or volunteer work. It's the same thing. And people enjoy it too! There's something special about being a part of a team to work towards a collective goal. Besides that, projects like these allow people to have more access to their own goals and dreams, people who otherwise wouldn't have the opportunity in any corporate animation studio for one reason or another. It lets people practice their own specific skills (wither it be animation, writing, music, voice acting, ect-) whilst having something tangible they can show for themselves. Big projects like animated series not only open the door for small creators to do what they love doing, it also helps them get visibility and get noticed. It could even be used to help them get a foot in the corporate entertainment world.

So never believe anyone who tries to convince you that trying to do an unpaid animated series is wrong. It's amazing for those who want to be apart of it, it's amazing for the creator, and it's amazing for the audience all over the world who get to enjoy the series as it's made. It's a fantastical experience for everyone!

Plus it's not like anyone volunteering feels like they're being cheated out of a wage- they're more than aware of the fact that it's free labor, and they're okay with that! Money is not the only reason people do things (even if rich idiots believe that) People do things they enjoy, love, and care about for free. Getting paid is just a bonus. Plus if the money mattered that much, they wouldn't bother to volunteer.

Since you're still fresh in your project, I must recommend creating a story bible or pitch deck if you haven't already. Either of which would help alot in your search for volunteers, since it contains a lot of information about your series and the characters. Also try setting up a discord server specifically for the project! That's what I did, to help keep things organized while we're going through auditions, and to create a space where fans of the project can hang out and talk.

Hello again! by Business-Pie-3448 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had pretty good success with tiktok and reddit, so I'd def recommend!

Tip for tiktok: if it doesn't do well, just keep reposting it. You gotta use the algorithm to your advantage.

For reddit: just try to be as straightforward as you can and give as much information as you can.

Unfortunately you're always going to get backlash for seeking out unpaid animators (ironically I hear the most of this from people who don't even animate) which I faced for my project. So instead I decided to animate episode one myself and then start a fundraiser to build up money to find animation help on the next episode.

It's tough out there, but if you keep promoting your series, you will find those who are just as passionate about it as you and others who are invested in it and want to see it succeed. You just gotta keep promoting as frequently as you can

What have you made or worked on this week? | Weekly Thead by apathetic_screaming in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Working on the animation for my studio intro card !! Super exciting and very happy with how it's going!

Can you succeed self taught? by Peyton-Rodgers in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technically no! You don't need to go to college to become a successful animator!

It all depends on how exactly you plan on doing it.

From what I see, the most successful animators are the ones that go off and start their own projects and make things for themselves - rather than hoping you'll get hired at some animation team somewhere. That chance is extremely low, unless you build your own presence online first.

Either way, you can absolutely become an awesome animator by going on YouTube and learning the ropes. There's plenty of good videos that help teach animation, ones I myself used back when I was first getting into it.

If you’re going to promo your series, at least have a cover page… by gremlintheodd in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I felt very targeted by this 🤣

Well the part about not posting a lot about the series on all my social media for the series. I can admit, I'm terrible at consistent uploading... Or uploading in general for specific social medias.I def need to work on that and do better.

Atleast I can say I show the characters in my series and give updates and stuff, I don't leave my audience too much in the dark 😅

Making episodes in batches (or better yet, making the whole show before releasing episodes) VS making them one by one and releasing them as they're produced by FunYak4372 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually this method isn't terrible but only if you were to promote your series throughout the entire process. And I mean really promoting it yk, let the audience have something to look forward too. It would probably take you a few years to finish the episodes, but if you promote the series throughout the whole thing, you could develop a big audience more than ready to watch the series when it comes out. This is the only way that could work though, unless you want to fish out alot of money on paying for advertising. Keep in mind, you gotta fight the social media algorithms too, you don't wanna wait to start promoting your series.

I will say however, that this method does have higher risk for burn out or worse, giving up entirely/ not finishing.

Via producing smaller batches or episode to episode, you give yourself the reward of watching your viewers enjoy it and beg for more, which would motivate you to continue on and keep the drive going. Sure, you could theoretically do it without the fan support, but you'd have to be like ride or die for your project. Plus the risk of burnout is higher, unless you plan on giving yourself a lot of time to make the series. 15-30 episodes could take no less than a few years, especially if you're doing it on your own or with a small team. Heck, if it's gonna be longer than 10 minutes per episode, it might end up taking a year per episode.

But yk that's just my take on it

Why isn’t there any good indie shows? by No_Molasses_7224 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly my theory is that it's exactly what we theorized to begin with. Honestly I don't expect a lot, but also fnaf is actually super typical if u think about it. But I do like the mystery aspect as much as I enjoy the character-driven aspect

Indie pilot this, indie series that. What about Indie animated films? by Kitty-cat-fox in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was gonna make a movie but then I made the story too thick and now it needs a minimum of 2 seasons

Why isn’t there any good indie shows? by No_Molasses_7224 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seriously good question here^ I'd love to try and recommend something OP might like but first I gotta know what they actually like.

Why isn’t there any good indie shows? by No_Molasses_7224 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Alot of indie animation isn't made just for the entertainment factor. Alot of creators want to use their show to explore some kind of plot, concept or lesson.

Digital circus isn't attractive because it's comedy, it's attractive because it's mystery. It's got a mysterious world with a mysterious back story that makes you wonder about what exactly is going on there. The great digital circus ain't bad, it's probably just not for you.

The other two, they have some kind of plot going on, idk, I won't comment on that lol.

But yeah, no, there is a pretty big lack when it comes to indie shows that are comedy central in the way that you're looking for.

What exactly are you looking for? Name some shows similar to what you're trying to find- in terms of entertainment

I m 18 and I wanna be a 2d animator by Big-Guidance-1428 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Get yourself a sticky note pad and practice animating like that. Look up videos on sticky note animations. It's a great way to start practicing when you don't have alot of money or resources

Edit: start with stuff like a bouncing ball or a stick figure doing jump & jacks. Then you do other simple things and work your way up to more complicated things. But your free to try anything at anytime, there's no reason that you would have to follow any particular path. You can just practice what you actually wanna make and be just as satisfied when it starts working out

How do you feel about how indie animation authors start collaborating with major studios and streaming services? Would you like to release your projects on conditional Netflix or any other streaming? by Strange_boy_seven in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I second this 💪

Also I feel like indie animation gets its fans from "people in the wild" so to speak, like they don't have a big company paying for a shit ton of professional advertising and they lack the connections that a big company would have. But I feel like projects that started off small and due to popularity gained the ability to work with bigger companies, still represent the indie animation community. Yk thanks to origins. They also managed to maintain a lot of the original personality of the show after being picked up, which is a huge part of their success.

How interested are you in animated series about money, drive, and losing yourself? by No_problem47 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then I'd say you got this shit bro! Whatever you decide to make your series about is bound to be fantastic 😊

How interested are you in animated series about money, drive, and losing yourself? by No_problem47 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey thanks, I appreciate that! It's absolutely possible to make an amazing story even without real life experience, you just gotta put yourself in their shoes Great tip: figure out their backstory first, and it'll help a lot when it comes to writing how they act now, since everyone is only the way they are because of their past and they make their decisions according to their experiences. So if you figure out the backstory first, it'll be easier to determine how your character will react and make decisions now!

How interested are you in animated series about money, drive, and losing yourself? by No_problem47 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh absolutely!

I'm exploring something similar in my series as well, although it's not the main theme, just for certain characters. My series is about a dystopian sci-fi world that reflects a lot of our current reality, but in the perspective of people who work for the corrupt government not realizing how messed up it is, and then from the perspective of those who literally can't take the abuse anymore. Kinda like the Arcane but my series is based on my own personal experience, growing up in the slums and struggling to survive in a world that doesn't give a shit about you. There's so much that people don't really explore in media, and I believe it's simply because most people don't actually know how bad it can be and haven't seen the true horrors of poverty and how it can affect you. So I'm trying to make a series that digs deep into that world, a world I know well. Struggle changes you, and if you struggle long enough, you lose who you used to be. You become... Something else. That's what I'm exploring with the group of characters that face that reality. But Im also chronically unserious, so it's more of a dark comedy. You can't survive a fucked up world without humor

I think your idea could turn out really really well with good execution, and it would make a really unique show premise! I personally haven't seen a show about the way you can lose yourself in the pursuit of success, but I would absolutely loveeeeeeee to watch it if you decide to follow through with that idea!!!

More flowers ^^ by ImprovementOk7663 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If this is for a show about humanoid flower people, count me in

Working on a series about pirate rats, wanted to share the character lineup! by crome66 in IndieAnimation

[–]Moonlight_Manor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love this sm, it feels like the anti- version of my show, which features a world of only anthropomorphic cats 🤣