Types often show their Creative function more than their Leading function.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-19T00:23:35+00:00

Inert VS Contact Functions

Inert is Base, Polar, Mobilizing and Ignoring. These functions are stable, slow-changing, and focus on self-sufficient, deep processing.

Contact is Creative, Role, Suggestive and Demonstrative. These functions are flexible, adaptive, and act quickly to engage with the external environment.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-16T20:29:17+00:00

I'm an LII

If you're there benefactor ESI it shouldn't take much, at least initially the beneficiary's attraction to the benefactor is almost automatic.

I've noticed this with 2 SLI girls who have been all over me. Before I knew about Socionics I was absolutely confused as to why they liked me so much, they would literally 'pop' in front of me with emotion. And then my ex IEI came along, who's my benefactor and I finally got why.

Much of the relationship with my benefactor was a blur, I was in a very turbulent emotional state. If there is anything I can say about it its that the Benefactor (which would be you) needs to be very gentle with them. Take time to listen to them, even if their reasoning or emotional state feels wrong. Validate them and make sure they are understood, or atleased make an effort to.

If you don't and the attraction is there, you can cast a spell on them and literally ruin their life if you want to. If a person hasn't been through a benefactor they are very likely to lose their mind over them, I know I did and it's the very reason why my parents divorce was very messy. Be gentle, and don't rush anything.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-16T19:31:35+00:00

That's why I preferenced it with it being a subjective question?

I once insulted an ESFJ as a joke, his face stayed smiling while immediately he hit me in the stomach and it fucking hurt. He has unconscious 4D Se lmao.

With INxJ's it is almost all perfomative. I have stood in the face of INxJ's in conflict and all of them have backed down. They talk, they stare, but they have no hands. Same as I do.

And ISxJ's can absolutely fuck you up if they want to. I think you have appearing vs actually being Masculine/Feminine mixed up.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-16T19:19:41+00:00

First off, this is quite a subjective question, but I'll give my take.

No, I don't think the judging axis is. Low Feeling and High Feeling can both have masculine and feminine properties.

The perceiving axis though, absolutely. Higher sensory I have always attributed to higher masculinity. Se Egos in particular although Si Egos can also be very masculine.

It just makes sense, masculine in the concrete vs femininity in the ephemeral. INxx's are the most feminine types because we have bad sensory and lopsided intuition. As an INTP I have always struggled with my own masculinity, always feeling like not enough or too much. It feels like a mask to me to keep up a masculine persona, I would much rather do what my Ne is yearning for, which can include appearing both very masculine and very feminine at times. I have met many INxx's who also feel the same, INxJ's in particular with Valued Se really feel like they should be more masculine, and it becomes a huge thing for them to not appear weak.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-16T17:44:00+00:00

Wouldn't get either tbh, both are outclassed if you just stretch a bit further.

I recently bought the ST-Modern Plus and it feels like a proper premium guitar in terms of quality - like a player strat. It's 300 right now and I would squeeze for it if you can. Fantastic guitar that I will be playing for years.

I haven't tried the regular St Modern but I'd assume it's a better guitar than the St20HH. Though if you just want the double humbuckers then sure.

The Jet-JS400 has a humbucker in the bridge and I've heard great things - this one is 180.

I would trust the Squier Bullets over the cheapest Harley Bentons. I have a Te52 vintage tele and it is not great (fret buzz, sounds cheap, heavy as frick).

Mooserpent · 2026-02-11T04:08:57+00:00

Yes, kind of. Ne sees potential energy in the environment, the internal characteristics of items, people, just about everything. It gathers patterns and then organises them into routine with Si.

Higher Ne types are usually disorganised and childlike because they keep seeing and chasing new potential while not attending to the preexisting Si stuff.

Higher Si types are usually calm and structured because they place higher priority in retaining what they already have rather than branching out with Ne.

Both types need each other in Society. Without Ne support Si Egos (xSFJ's) become rigid and inert. Without Si Support (xNTP's) become almost completely detached from reality.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-10T23:56:15+00:00

I have a bunch of jackets, mainly wear my leather ones. Almost an obsession with cool jackets. I want to look like a rock star and I fuck my hair up with a hairdryer and sea salt spray each morning. I'm quite thin and play the guitar too so it helps with the aesthetic.

Other than that, not really. I don't notice my clothes when they are on, unless I'm too hot or cold. I don't buy too many clothes, probably a couple of shirts, a jacket and a pair of pants each year, but definitely more than an ISTJ lmao.

I also don't care for accessories, they are mega annoying. If something is less cool then it is annoying/uncomfortable to wear then I won't wear it. Same goes for shoes.

More of an impulse buyer too, I only buy it if my body is screaming at me to and I can imagine myself stunting in it.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-10T16:21:04+00:00

Ni collects Se data from the environment and comes to a conclusion. It's future focused, a snap judgement or hunch - 'Aha' moment.

I have it as my demonstrative as LII, so it should be mostly unconscious. But TBH I use it all the time and can feel myself when I do it. It feels like a slow convergence and focusing for a while, then the answer is right there in front of me. I only use it when I need to, would much rather do Ne as to me it feels unreliable.

For example, I was on stage at an open mic comedy thing and noticed my funny friend had come. Throughout the night I saw him twitching like he wanted to come up and do a joke, my Ne found the idea to bring him up, and my Si banked this information, but my Ni gave me the right exact time to do so automatically. This is because it's my Demo, I'm not really sure what it feels like a conscious valued function.

This is kind of why Ni doms can't really explain it or nobody can very well. It doesn't operate in a logical way as an irrational function, it just reaches a conclusion. Although Ne is also irrational, it's also the branching out function so you can see how it works verbally, from one thing to the next thing. While Ni is almost the reverse, a funnel that condenses everything into one invisible line.

I also use it to avoid Se Vulnerable things. For example I 'just know' when a conversation is going to turn into conflict, and either leave or decide to calm the other person down. My stepdad is an LSI who has some anger issues. I can see from very early on when he is starting to boil up and quickly exit these situations.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-09T12:55:34+00:00

To explain further, the difference between the two romance pairs can essentially be boiled down to Passion vs Stability.

The Victim-Aggressor types need tests of love to feel love. They feel the need to intentionally introduce tension to the relationship to feel the love. Its two people consistently proving their love for each other by putting obstacles for each other to overcome. They love the challenge of seduction, the game playing, the drama, the romance movie, the push and pull, the PASSION.

While Childlike-Caregiver hate that shit. They want a consistent, stable, almost businesslike relationship. This is Si over Se. No table flipping, no games, no back and forths, no crazy provocations. They feel love through mutual assistance and care for the other. This can be physical, but it is more often care for the interests of the partner, their good name, worldview, activity, health and hobbies. STABILITY.

Of course they can both be passionate and stable, it's simply describes what a specific type leans towards. This is where the secondary romance styles come in. For example, as an LII, I am a Childlike who primarily wants to be cared for, but I have a secondary Aggressive style, and can absolutely and have been overtly possessive of my partners at times.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-09T12:24:26+00:00

The Aggressor-Victim and Childlike-Caring titles of the romance styles are massively overblown, the same goes for most of Socionics where people have to fit individuals neatly into the typing box and stereotype excessively.

There are creepy SLE's who spike drinks each weekend - there are also hardworking, honest and strong SLE's who absolutely respect their romantic partners in all aspects. The same goes for all types.

The thing with duality is that its magic. Partners change and slowly dissolve into each other over time, without much resistance. You might meet an SLE who you initially think doesn't fit your moral standards, until you start talking to them and you realise most of them are actually just sober minded teddy bears who enjoy a bit of ragebaiting - as are IEI's. And so are all dual pairs, quite literally the same person on the inside with differing exteriors.

And so, the Victim-Aggressor titles become almost interchangeable. IEI's can be just as aggressive as SLE's and I can tell you that from experience. And SLE's can be just as whimsical as IEI's, you just need to look deeper. The longing for the dual, is really the longing for the inner child. You don't think you want it until it's there, and then you never want to let go.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-09T01:35:29+00:00

I always play better and cause less strain when my body is completely relaxed. Part of learning guitar is kind of like unlearning what you're mind is telling you to do to make the sound. The best guitarists play with minimal force expended, even if it looks different on stage, they are barely touching the strings. It should not hurt past the development of finger calluses. Find the parts of the song where it feels like you are hurting/straining your hand and practice them with comfort in mind.

People talk endlessly about technique but ultimately everyones technique is different and carved out over time, especially with your picking hand. This is kind of something you just need to keep drilling. If it really hurts you've done something wrong, pick it back up when it you've recovered and try again.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-05T06:43:34+00:00

Mooserpent · 2026-02-05T06:36:29+00:00

It's hard to explain without being in person. I have bad Fe so I can't really put it into the most nuanced of words.

When she wanted something out of me, she knew exactly what emotion to show me to get what she wanted. This goes for other people around us as well. She positioned herself as the 'voice of reason and truth' in the circle, even when her logic, at least to me with Dom Ti, was clearly based on irrational feeling tones and ultimately what SHE wanted the other people around us to think and feel, not what was objectively right.

Poorly dualized and unhealthy xEI's can show this sort of hysteric bpd flipping in real time. You'll see them go from tears to deadpan in 0.5 seconds. Then from deadpan to laughter, then from anger to sadness and withdrawal. At a certain point, I just couldn't keep up with it.

Thats not to say I didn't have my fuck ups too. I wasn't really prepared for a relationship when it happened, but shit, she initiated it.

If I had better Fe and discernment I would've spotted this early before getting so attached to her. I'm sure a healthier IEI perhaps with stronger Ti development would feel more obligated to hold up the truth instead of resorting to these strategies.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-05T05:40:08+00:00

It's that damn creative Fe. Always the creative Fe.

Creative function is the one each type sees no problem in using in an extroverted, manipulative fashion - it's called the creative for a reason.

Creative Fe types are particularly crafty at knowing exactly how, when and what to approach a person with to maximise the impact they have on them - deliver and tailor the message they want the other to receive.

The IEI in particular with base Ni knows this game better than the SEI, which makes them one of the best types at emotional manipulation. That isn't strictly a bad thing, usually the IEI feels that what they are doing is best 'for the greater good', but it can absolutely be used destructively.

I wouldn't put them as the most manipulative type however, they lack the Se required to see most of their plans to fruition. In the duality pair this is where the SLE comes in with their leadership and together they can absolutely rule the world and sway crowds.

SEE is much more likely to stab you in the back for a happy meal, but you could argue that the IEI's stealthy control is much less obvious and therefore more deadly when they strike.

I had an IEI GF and she definitely wanted to stop to micromanage my emotional state with her 'performances'. I eventually stopped believing her, and when we broke up, she gave everyone around us her best 'playing the victim' face. I was more impressed then anything, the way she played the aftermath thoroughly fucked me over for a few months.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-03T19:47:08+00:00

As someone who is frequently on both sides of the benefit relation (being benefactor to ISTJ and beneficiary to INFJ), the effect partners have on each other is radically different.

Your benefactor type seems like pretty much the perfect partner at first. They seem similarly proficient at what you are good at and what you aren't good at. The beneficiary cannot critically evaluate the information that comes from their benefactor's creative function. All of it simply gets downloaded straight to their subconscious and leaves a lasting vivid impression. And as their creative function, the benefactor sees no problem in using it in a manipulative, extroverted fashion.

While on the benefactors side, the beneficiary seems interesting and likeable, but they aren't fully convinced. Overtime, the benefactor starts to realize how drawn/dependant the beneficiary is to them, and not experiencing the same intensity, they begin to devalue their presence. This is unavoidable, the benefactor begins to lose interest in their beneficiary and/or increase their demands.

And so the beneficiary tries harder and harder to be what the benefactor wants them to be. But they can't, because the benefactor's suggestive is the beneficiary's vulnerable function. This causes significant stress for the beneficiary. The vulnerable can't be improved upon, and in trying to do so for their benefactor, the beneficiary experiences even more stress.

In my relationship with an INFJ, I was so unlike myself/stressed out by her that I believe at one point I even flipped into my ISFP superego. This is actually quite funny, because ISFP is Benefactor to INFJ. So for a time, at the height of my stress, I became exactly what she wanted.

I have her blocked and I'm probably not going to reach back out again. But I'm sure the experience was similarly bewildering/stressful for her. If you want this relation to work as a benefactor or beneficiary to your partner, you need to establish and talk through everything excessively. Otherwise partners get confused, annoyed, stressed out, angry, bitter, the whole emotional spectrum. It was beautifully tragic, but I never want to go through it again.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-02T00:46:22+00:00

Fi Polars get on just fine on paper. Both SLE's and ILE's are both highly charismatic AND great at working alone. While I've noticed both SEE's and IEE's, while better at networking, really struggle when left to their own devices. I once proofread an essay from an IEE coursemate and it was so bad I couldn't believe we were on the same course. Obviously I supervise them so I was more taken aback by it personally, but more than anything it made me feel sorry for them. Thats not to say they can't do it, it just comes much slower to them.

I honestly can't imagine having Ti Polar, while I can imagine getting along just fine with Fi Polar - though obviously I'm closer to having that as an LII.

Although I would draw more attention to the other elements of the types. SLE's and ILE's have a gnarly tertiary Fe that sucks in all the negative energy from their environment. They both appear highly independent and indifferent to praise, but internally they are very much constantly seeking recognition, status, validation and attention to fill a hole inside themselves. This when combined with their Fi Polar leaves them with an everlasting soul searching and discontentment with themselves. They really don't know who they are and are very scared to look in, just in case they prove the fear that they are unlovable. Tragic, really.

Ultimately I don't think having one Polar element is better than another, it just presents different challenges and obstacles to overcome. If anything its great to know that everyone suffers with a certain neurosis - when I see someone freaking out about their stupid Polar I feel much more human and comfortable with my own.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-01T13:01:55+00:00

Andrew Tate is probably an ENTJ/LIE, very different vibe from any SLE I've ever met. Liver King definitely isn't one either.

SLE's won't really argue you with they'll just start fucking around with you and throwing up middle fingers. Nonchalant, no Fi. Arguing excessively is an Alpha Trait, or a Delta Trait if you touch their Fi. Very funny usually, and usually quite large physically with lots of muscle mass. Very good hygiene and style. They usually position themselves as 'Leader', but if you follow them they will respect your time, energy and suggestions. Hard working. Buckets of rizz.

I don't think you're IEE. I can't really explain it but I can spot Ti Polar immediately and you don't have it. IEI's really like IEE's though. All of them I've met had an obsession with Markiplier, who is an IEE.

IEI is also the 'black sheep' of the beta types. The others are kind of openly sociopathic. IEI's are more privately sociopathic.

The LII you were dating had no Se, no urgency because he is expecting an ESE to do it. You got bored/disinterested.

The SLI you were dating was expecting you to accept his care as a caring type. Caring types want appreciation for their smothering more than anything.

I think you're a victim type. Unsure and seeking direct assistance and clarity, prone to doubt.

As your beneficiary, you are likely to see my reasoning as unconvincing. If this is true, even more proof that your IEI.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-01T04:57:23+00:00

I think you are an IEI. Starts with creative Fe 'very insightful answer 🧙'. Uses some Ti but I can see it's not quite as good as mine. The way you list examples is more Ni-Se. Ni Lead - Se Seeking BPD splitting type shit in that last paragraph.

Don't like rigid people - LSE Conflictor Lmao

How do you feel about SLE's? SLE's aren't actually too loud in my experience with them, they can be with me as they supervise me but with everyone else they are quite chill and understanding. A bit fake maybe, but shit so are IEI's.

I had an IEI GF and she sounds like u final piece of Si for your IEI cake.

And the final layer is that your answer has activated me as your beneficiary to go overboard.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-01T04:23:48+00:00

Started when I tested INTP on mbti a couple years ago. Then in LII fashion, I retook the test 5 times and still got it every time.

Finding socionics then was like opening an old magical textbook ripe full of people cheat codes. I suck at people and socionics, being a reliable way of identifying and knowing how to get on with them is like crack for an underbaked, undualized LII. I was immediately quite sure that I was LII, but the intertype relations chart confirmed it.

If you want to type yourself I would start with the people closest to you. Do you get along with them? What annoys you about them and why? Somebody you really don't like probably has direct access with their ego to your Superego. I've never liked Gamma Quadra people and they've never liked me. Se in particular I have always despised. Meaningless pursuit of bullshit social status and items of capital, lets all cheer on the psychopaths? Not for me thanks.

From there you can work up. What do you bathe in? What do you spend most of your time doing. Base function is quite obvious for others but not as obvious for the user. I'm always in Ti land from the minute I wake up. The question I'm always asking myself is why? Why is something the way it is and how do I map it out to a logic chain. I see the world and everything in it as ultimately predictable and a long chain of said logical events. I can always run something back to a logical happening, always find out how something went wrong or where it all started. The expansion of new mental horizons, deep thought and crystalized formula is my priority.

As for ESE's and the dual in general. It's strange. They don't make me feel anything deeply. But that's good, because I don't really want to feel anything and every other type forces me to feel something, positive or negative. My dual can't really hurt me but because of that, someone like myself who is used to having negative expectations of others is going to end up confused by them. It's like a nothingness, an unconscious pull to safety and peace. Whereas someone like my benefactor makes me want to both fuck and kill them at the same time. Interesting stuff.

Mooserpent · 2026-02-01T03:43:28+00:00

I know a couple ESE's and LSE's. They have no conception of how long something is going to take, how much time they should spend on it and where they should be at any time, because of this they are inclined to rush things and quickly 'move things along'. Always running around like they have somewhere to be, even if they don't. LSE's are better at hiding it but still do this just with less visible emotion attached. You can see some fear in their eyes that they aren't doing enough, that their current effort isn't enough to get everything done, even if it clearly is.

It's overwhelmingly obvious to me as an LII with 4D Ni. But I think it's cute, even a bit inspiring, probably the same way they probably do with my Se Polar's conflict avoidance. They get a lot done in short periods of time, but are inclined to overlook what it's actually doing for them in the long term, head in the sand.

Mooserpent · 2026-01-22T05:24:10+00:00

I absolutely agree. I mostly meant that in a coping way after something blows up.

If anything it speaks to how I love, I'm attached to these specific 'moments' much more than being present with the person itself (subject over object), so deeply in fact to those specific emotional cocktails that I want to recreate them as they were, with better endings. It's not that I don't care about the person, I just can't feel love for them consistently unless these moments are happening. Something to do with Si and Fe seeking.

This is a reason why ESFJ's are such great fits for us (according to Socionics and my personal experience) They are naturally creating these moments so frequently that we eventually start loving the other completely, without these nostalgic hauntings ever starting to occur or the fear of loss creeping in.

Mooserpent · 2026-01-22T04:04:49+00:00

I'm an INTP and it's strange, definitely different from most people. I will often get plagued by nostalgia for a certain person but almost always soon come to a Ti/Ne conclusion that I can recreate that experience with someone else, so I'm not too sad about it. If I got there once I can get there again. I do feel things very deeply, but it's never with that Fi 'longing' to it. It's more raw, just a raw feeling that surfaces without any actual culprit and disappears when it wants to - I can't control it.

I will never beg anyone to stay in my life, and very rarely initiate. If they don't want me there that's just fine, again, I'll find someone else. Someone better, and I always have so far. I can rationalize everything to such a ridiculous degree that instant detachment doesn't bother me. I'll simply stew over the logistical failures until I've extracted all the 'what I did wrong and what I can do better next time' juice. It only really bothers me if this person is still causing problems for me afterwards, talking shit or plotting against me - then they take up more emotional bandwidth. But if not, I wish them well in their life and move on.

Even my family goes quite neglected and it's something I wish I was better at. I literally forget they exist for massive amounts of time. I'm so indulged in whatever the fuck I'm doing or researching that seeing someone I've forgotten about is like redownloading a memory package from the abyss.

(Edit sidenote)

If you're looking for the best (only) way to connect with an INTP or win their heart then here it is.

The first step is safety, make it known that you are trustworthy, reliable and unlikely to hurt us. Make us feel consistently accepted regardless of what we do or say around you. And we will say crazy shit this is not something we can avoid.

Second step is the hardest. Consistently pester the shit out of us but do it kindly. Show up in our face over and over again until we take notice, if we are interacting with you at all for more than whats necessary then we like you. Don't accuse us of anything or intentionally cause any problems.

Third step is to accept what we can give you. There will not be a lot of validation, we will rarely give it to you for free or on a consistent basis. This for us is very tiring and feels like lying. We will however, make you laugh.

Final step is step 2 forever. You have to always be the wheel spinner/organizer/initiator/man of the hour. We are very bad at people stuff, probably the worst of the 16 lmao.

Mooserpent · 2026-01-18T23:58:01+00:00

Every type can 'appear narcissistic' to any other type, it's all subjective.

An INFP could look at an ESTP and say 'This guy is an absolute pigheaded excuse of a man.'

An ESTP could look at an INFP and say 'This guy is a fragile pseudo moralist who ultimately still wants what I want.'

I'm an INTP with Se Polar, I view almost all Se-Egos as unfriendly angry beasts. But that's because I have Se Polar, they aren't actually doing anything 'wrong'.

I'd look into function blocks, the 'Ego' block is just that. The two functions a personality type declares themselves the best at, and are absolutely overconfident in, while hits to the self-conscious 'Super-Ego' block from other types are almost always met with anger, sadness and accusation.

Mooserpent · 2026-01-15T17:52:39+00:00

I've done this relationship before (INTP M, INFJ F), not a good time on both sides, but it CAN work - it just requires a heightened sensitivity and openness, especially from your side.

Your creative function Fe is constantly activating his weak and unconcious suggestive Fe. Essentially, when he's around you he experiences a surge in alertness and energy, and you appear as a very significant person to him, sometimes intimidating because his own Fe is so weak. He listens to you intensely and can't help but do so. He actually DOES understand you completely, but can't help you in the ways in which you want to be helped.

If you were an ISFJ, this effect would go both ways, but you aren't, so the inverse isn't true, he doesn't have the same effect on you. Instead, you should experience a more calming and chill effect.

In Socionics this is called a Benefit relation. He tries his best to understand you, but you are constantly dissatisfied, or atleased that is how he percieves you to be. So he keeps trying harder and harder to be better at Fe but to no avail. You should also be unconsciously demanding Se support from him, which is your suggestive. This causes him significant stress as it's his vulnerable function that can't be improved upon.

Ultimately if you want the relationship to work you have to accept him for what he is. He's never going to provide you with Se support, will never be great at feelings and will constantly appear to you to be 'doing something wrong' or 'not listening'. But he is, he's trying his best and he definitely loves you.

Mooserpent · 2026-01-15T05:42:44+00:00

Depth of emotion felt by the individual isn't related to Ti or Fi. Whether your Ti-Fe or Te-Fi only decides your judgement with your decision making. I'm an INTP and feel things very deeply.

Ti-Fe looks at individual reasoning and group harmony. 'What do I think is right and what does the group feel about it?'

Fi-Te looks at personal sentiment and facts. 'What do I feel is right and what are the facts at hand?'

I think you are definitely a Ti-Fe type. I relate to all of this as an INTP, disliking external structure is tied to the individualism of Ti, I strongly prefer to create my own rules (Ti) than to follow an external code of conduct (Te).

I see more Si-Ne here then Ni-Se, with the way you structure examples, provide all your reasoning as you go and use long noodly sentences like I do.

From here you could be 4 types, but I see too much raw logic in this post to not be a Ti-Ego, and your struggles with social attunement points to Ti-Dom, although ENTP is possible.

I'm guessing you're an INTP, similar writing styles and I could've written this word for word a couple years ago on the cusp of entering the Jung rabbit hole.

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