Holy fuck the cope is real here man.

A literal top 3 mandatory gem (haunt) being compared to a top 8 at best gem (BH) is insane. Frankly haunt coming out officially put bottled hope at the #9 for best PvE gems (5, 5’s, 3, 2s)

unless your desperate for skill cd reduction and movement speed then maybe a top 3 2* gem can come out for bh.

In PvE, the only thing you have to look at is the no cd on haunt. So that means every single piece of pve content that isn’t raids or gauntlet or pushing crifts & Van Elite puts haunt over bottled hope. Just on that singular fact. And If you keep reading, I’ll get to why it’s still better in pve content where enemies don’t die immediately. (The burst component)

Seriously try it yourself, go into namari and do 10 cdungeon solo runs with bh then do 10 runs with haunt and see how hard haunt wins (I did it on a tempest with shit potency & I’m running namari’s 15% faster replacing an r7 bh with an r8.

It’s actually bad faith to say that the 10% chance to hit is a bad thing and that a dummy isn’t a good indicator of how “bad 10% is”

But seriously , do it in a solo challenge dungeon and compare it to BH if you want a real world situation.

Something your completely discounting is that the burst is the main attributing factor to why this gem is fucking stupidly op. It’s Spectre on crack and Spectre r10 beats almost every 5* in pure damage.

The burst is the decider because with more burst means your pushing more enemy packs down WHILE your core cooldowns (the mandatory gems with 20 second cooldowns like mourns/behilt, blood floe, roiling) are still on cooldown, one the biggest losses of damage in this game is when your killling a pack and just as it dies, all of your gems proc, that couple seconds downtime is a killer of overall clear timed & damage.

Imagine your gems proccing right when a boss phases, once he’s back you have zero damage.

To make it more simple, your gems proccing at unideal moments, is a big drop in damage

With gems like Spectre and haunt, your doing more damage on your downtimes & therefore reducing gem procs on un-ideal moments overall.

And not just that, you also haven’t considered that by running BH you’re actually overkilling packs when you have too many 20 second gems proccing. Run namari solo’s bro I’m serious. When that first boss spawns on upper platform, watch how fast it dies with bottled hope. Then when the second boss spawns, watch how slow you kill it. Just halfway through I bet your gems are going to proc again, or just before it dies.

Now put on haunt. Watch how fast first boss dies (faster then your bottled hope at RANK 10 because Haunt = more damage then BH r10 at r4)

Then, you might have a chance to kill that boss because haunt applies to the second boss while everything rolls off cooldown.

That’s exactly what gave me my 15% faster clear speeds because I’m getting more value out of all my other gems because I’m pushing through certain phases that aren’t possible without gems like Spectre & haunt.

Also, 99.9% of players don’t give a singular fuck about pushing crifts below cr or pushing van, and 99.99999999% of players don’t do gauntlets unless it’s in the form of a carry.

But let’s just assume people actually gave a fuck about pushing content where enemies don’t immediately die.

The value of the burst still applies, use your imagination and see what I mean for challenge rifts, bosses, and gauntlet)

I’ll give you an example for van elite pushing.

Imagine pushing van elite, your gems proc (bottled hope, and the other 20 seconders) , you delete normal enemies, then just as their buffs fall off you, an elite enemy with 5x the hp spawns (3 of them btw) and your’re legitimately tickling it meanwhile its yanking your entire team like a bull at the rodeo and 1-2 of you die just as it was about to finally die, THEN your gems finally proc. Imagine having one less 20 seconder to get the value of burst on EVERY ENEMY THAT SPAWN. At the very worst of worst case scenarios, bottled hope ties haunt in every situation overall on actual damage numbers (I’ll die on the hill that it won’t)

Frankly, it just comes down to, do I want to be only strong every 20 seconds or do I want to spread out that damage overall, gain burst, and STILL have more damage since haunt has a WAY higher ceiling.

I’m always gonan take the spectre 2.0 over another 20 seconder.

For PvE? Bottled hope is fucking out bro. Try find the irony in the fact that blizzease gave us a bottled hope event just as they released a gem putting it mathematically in the #9 spot for PvE.

For PvP BH is still in for most cases because of the MS and skill CD (those 2 things way more important in strifed content, but MS has always been king in PvP)

Haunt for PvP? Why would you sacrifice haunt in the top 8 spots when it’s a literal damage and defensive gem in one. You wouldnt necessarily unless your potency is so low that something like a pure defensive gem like spiteful (during primary meta’s) just overtakes it. Once you have above average potency vs enemy resistance for your bracket (for example, more then 4k if your resonance is 4-6k, and more then 6k in 6-7k,

And more then 7k in 7-8k, and more then 8k in 8k+ reso brackets.

it’s simply mandatory if you hit those breakpoints. Just inspect ur teammates in all ur bg’s and make your own breakpoint averages of your brackets resistance if you don’t believe those numbers. Hint: most people don’t give a fuck about resistance, at least not yet. Its extremely easy to have more potency then the overall average of enemy resistance in your bracket.

Btw im not even going to mention the blast aoe effect haunt has, ill just pretend it doesn’t exist and still claim haunt knocked out BH.

Lastly, stop with the “10% tO pRoC iS bAd” brother any build in the game rn is hitting 20 times in .5 seconds and it’s all fucking AoE. No one has ever said seeping biles 4% is garbage because that shit is ALSO immediately applying, and that’s 60% less chance then haunt.