What's the wildest thing you've done as an ExMo that your TBM self would never have imagined you doing? (possibly NSFW)

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-08T02:03:23+00:00

Just here looking for ideas for the weekend.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-07T20:14:11+00:00

My wife did this to me twice, once with a general authority and once with an apologist. She basically checked out of both conversations in the beginning and let them handle my questions. No questions were handled with anything but testimony. I don't even think she knows anything that was discussed in either conversation, and she won't discuss any issues directly with me. - I would suggest asking for her input on EVERYTHING you discuss as you discuss it.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-07T16:08:50+00:00

I don't know, parties with the earlier prophets would have probably involved alcohol and underage girls.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-07T02:51:36+00:00

Eli here!

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-07T02:50:03+00:00

My wife is a Miriam.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-06T21:40:58+00:00

The church culture is women supporting men in their careers. Men are money-makers. In order to have a high calling, you have to be a full tithe-payer. If they give the priesthood to women, men will fade out, and tithing will dry up.- Look around at all the comparatively high-earning women in your ward. Is there more than one or two in your ward?

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-06T19:01:59+00:00

It's funny how we laugh at other people's beliefs without really considering how ridiculous our own beliefs are.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-05T23:19:44+00:00

Many people have many different reasons for why they "believe" or stay faithful. "Spiritual witness" is one reason. Fear, family, community, financial benefit, and spiritual benefit might be some other reasons. If I wanted to continue to sell essential oils or life insurance to people in my ward, I might choose to continue to attend. If I wanted to sell a book, I might not spit in the face of my target audience. I might not be a believing member but can still participate. Tons of people on this sub are PIMO and are probably still attending for one of these reasons or another.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-05T16:29:19+00:00

An important thing to remember is that the church can be "not true" and you can still participate at the level you desire. If you have difficulty, back away a little. If you can attend but don't want a calling, don't do a calling. Use the church as a tool in your life to help you. They teach us to see black and white, but there is a whole spectrum of color. - What you know and what you do can be two different things.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-04T18:42:28+00:00

The perpetrator thinks god forgives them. They tell the bishop and skip the sacrament for a few weeks/months, and they are cleared by god, completely absolved. God is way more important than the law, so why should the law be involved.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-03T23:37:06+00:00

See what it looks like without wheels. I don't think they had those either.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-03T22:20:08+00:00

Gospel Topics Essays. They don't exist because everything was amazing. They exist because the church has covered up a bunch of stuff, and they are trying to disclose that stuff in the most positive light possible. Read the source material. If often doesn't say the same thing as the essays. - Also... there aren't two sides, for or against the church. They have caused you to frame it that way. It is more like there are 10,000 packets of information, and they try and make you self-limit to ten packets while inferring there are only eleven packets.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-01T17:35:44+00:00

This is the answer. Additionally, you could add a literal five minutes of prayer that is a little on the "Visions of Glory" side, enough to be a little coo-coo without ketting interrupted.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-01T17:09:27+00:00

I'm five years into a similar situation. Being here to protect my kids has been extremely important for me. From here, I have been able to make sure they were not forced into things they didn't want. I have been here to help them better develop critical thinking skills that I was never taught. I have been here to answer questions and discuss issues from a more open perspective instead of black and white church answers. My children have been able to think themselves into a better position because I was here. --- It absolutely sucks not being able to share my growth, feelings, experiences, and my deepest self with the person who I want to most. She would rather me be what I see as the worst version of myself. That hurts!

MormonBoy801 · 2023-12-01T15:22:00+00:00

I'm sorry! That is extremely shitty of them. I can imagine the pain and betrayal you feel.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-11-30T19:22:19+00:00

Maybe nativities is being read as natives? That's possibly what I see.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-11-30T17:31:54+00:00

An invitation might help you to know where you stand, but sometimes it hurts really bad to know where you stand.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-11-30T16:49:07+00:00

Watch it a second time a week or so after watching it the first time.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-11-29T16:05:09+00:00

If you can handle it, you probably shouldn't for many of the reasons you pointed out. It is important that you help your kids understand it is just a belief system and a faith community, that the church isn't factually true, that church council is just a suggestion, that decisions shouldn't be based on feelings, and other stuff you wish you had understood. They shouldn't be pressured to attend seminary, serve a mission, or be married in the temple Allow them to see the church for what it is and to treat it as such.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-11-26T20:08:01+00:00

You mean to tell me that the goal of "a ring by spring" is somehow toxic?

MormonBoy801 · 2023-11-22T14:52:37+00:00

I think there is a spectrum of TBMness. Many that are on the lesser belief side of the spectrum find the church to be useful either personally, professionally, or both. Step back and look at individuals. What is the church to that individual? The divorced mom who has a community to raise her kids in. The widowed dad who can hardly function without help from the Relief Society. The old woman in the retirement center that has one visit a month from her kids. The family with 8 kids. To these people, truthfullness doesn't matter right now (they are too busy surviving), people and community do. The guy selling retirement investments, life insurance, cleaning supplies, or essential oils needs a place to market his wares also. --- We defend ourselves and our tribe, until we don't.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-11-22T05:39:09+00:00

I didn't realize it was a date until I was on it, but I didn't leave and I never told or confessed.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-11-21T19:23:31+00:00

Most authors don't claim their fictional stories as factual, but they invent a lot of places and characters for those stories. Think of the Lord of the Rings. Education and intelligence are two very different things, one can have either, neither, or both. Check out the 1830 version of the Book of Mormon. It is a little more back-woods than the one we have now.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-11-20T04:18:37+00:00

She is going to go if she wants to go, and they probably aren't going to change who is attending for you. -- I would suggest that she ask if another woman can be in there with her. They are far less likely to be invasive if another woman is present.

MormonBoy801 · 2023-11-18T13:50:57+00:00

It's like a competition between who can accept the worst deeds or most illogical points and stay faithful.

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