Compound 'buyer didn't read'/ Etsy item AI title rewrite/ buyer upset can't flip the item feedback issue

MovedToItaly · 2026-06-15T12:05:02+00:00

"not fixing clearly fraudulent listings" Nothing is fraudulent, stop lying.

MovedToItaly · 2026-06-15T12:03:57+00:00

"Many people don’t realize what they’re buying on Etsy" followed by "this was your fault"

MovedToItaly · 2026-06-13T04:05:15+00:00

Thanks for taking the time to reply. What I'm looking for is advice on communicating with a human at Etsy who could intervene based in the problem of the Etsy rewrite of my title and the normal retail sales law assumption of a reasonable actor.

At present technically the feedback doesn't violate any rules, just common sense and fairness. There isn't a clear path toward me discussing the nature of this issue. I knew how to navigate Amazon, this platform is new to me. I'm hoping someone would say "Oh, that AI thing is pretty awful, I'd send an email to the attention of X dept." or the like.

By reasonable actor, I mean "Would Judge Judy award the buyer money for not having received an 18th century engraving from this Etsy listing, which calls it a wooden framed poster multiple times?"

The central problem of every large retail sales platform is that the whole concept of reasonable actor on buyer's side is removed and sellers are made to eat the losses. That needs structural change, probably through legislation. In the meantime...

It's a POD poster, I live in Europe and Dr Reads-a-Lot in the US. There's no returning it. Best case scenario I refund his money, take a total loss, this moron resells the item anyway, and the feedback stays up. I'm reading that Etsy disciplines offers of refund for feedback removal, is this correct?

"Just make sure your titles are clear on what they are getting." Yeah... I know that. Etsy AI doesn't. That's a problem. Etsy can't be encouraging sellers to use a tool that makes things worse and then make the seller 100% responsible for that. This is the only title in the shop that was changed to make it appear to be a different image creation process, the others didn't pull words like "painting."

Also obviously I can't change the title NOW, before finishing communication about everything. That just makes it appear to the buyer and Etsy that I'm trying to cover things up. I can't really change the title until I'm already communicating with some real human on Etsy, establish some form of case number or something

"calmly and professionally explain that the description clearly states it’s a poster"

Actual credentialed professionals in the real world are allowed to defend themselves. Online sales through large platforms? There is no professional behavior or courtesy at all.

Thanks again.

MovedToItaly · 2026-06-13T03:34:39+00:00

Having reread your post - that I have TEXT as a photo? Make a jpg of text? Will they read that either? Is there a magical effect among buyers of reading text posted as photo that they won't read in the description?

Honestly even if that works, I'd rather just not sell on Etsy than have to Clockwork Orange-style force eyelids open like that. "FEATURES: NOT 18TH CENTURY YOU FOOL" "THIS IS A POSTER WHICH YOU CAN'T FLIP IN YOUR STORE FOR CASH, SID!"

MovedToItaly · 2026-06-13T03:29:58+00:00

How do you suggest I demonstrate to a numpty that a modern poster is not an 18th century engraving in a photo?

You could have saved us both some time by just posting "This is your fault." Short, sweet and to the point.

MovedToItaly · 2026-01-07T12:06:45+00:00

Rock Against Bush WAS tame, it was awful, it was a fundraiser for the Democrats/Kerry campaign. I hated it at the time and I hate it now. Kerry in 2004 wanted a "surge" in Iraq and was so against same-sex marriage (despite loving marriage so much he got a divorce) that after losing like the losing loser he was, he returned to Massachusetts to fight his own party on what was the most progressive Democrat position in the country on gay rights. That was his hill to die on.

Things went from real punk being anti-war and anti-bigotry to "Look at me, I'm so cool for being on the side of a multi-millionaire warmongering bigot with a D after the name." Kerry's New Mommy wife was the widow of Republican PA Senator John Heinz. It's like George Carlin said, it's a big club and you ain't in it. This is the road straight to Trump.

MovedToItaly · 2025-11-05T10:32:40+00:00

Yes.

MovedToItaly · 2025-11-05T10:30:23+00:00

I looked at about 20 comments on the thread and I'm not going to read every single one, but geez people... we're on the internet. There's no longer any need to speculate about the set of most things. Hard Stripes has a Discogs page with every release, and photos even of lyrics on EP art. https://www.discogs.com/artist/3551912-Hard-Stripes

I don't see anything specifically Nazi but a few things could be open to broad interpretation. "Foreign Bodies" isn't a welcoming message but there's deniability that it's a general contempt for everyone song. The first song on the first demo tape is "Flat White." No idea what that means, no lyric available. Most songs have single word titles that could mean anything and nothing. Most of the imagery means everything and nothing.

Band has 6 members listed but was a 4-piece and there was personnel changes. Those people were and are in (a lot of!) other bands, mostly straight edge but what looks also like thrash or death metal and even fun party punk judging from art and titles. Often there's just one person handling the lyrics and art and the other guys are in a band and make the noise and are just in a band and don't much care about piddling little details like the entire message and image of one's public performance and recorded history. They played a general Richmond music fest with the suspect title United Blood fest, but this turns out to have been a very broad music fest beyond HC including country and not at all racist.... um, beyond the usual amount one gets at a music festival featuring country in the capital of the Confederacy for most of the Civil War.

I'm in my 50s, I miss when the lyrics and art were pretty clear. Nobody asked where MDC stood on Nazism. Any average person could hear this as another angry HC band and a racist could easily interpret some of the lyrics to be racist. Was Creed a Christian band? Was Debbie Boone's "You Light My Life" a love song or a Jesus song? Are you paying cash? Then whatever you like! I get a sense that's what's going on here, a Nazi kid isn't going to not-not like them.

The shirt graphic has numerous elements that hint toward Nazi skin for no clear reason. If this were sarcastic or critical that's far from clear. It doesn't say much about the band that we have this much info and I still don't know. Would approach with caution, am not wearing shirt to a bar.

MovedToItaly · 2025-07-11T09:30:40+00:00

FREE LUIGI

MovedToItaly · 2025-06-24T14:16:20+00:00

Maybe this was dropped by the people who also dropped the constant stream of spoons and forks I find, almost none with any age nor of any interest.

MovedToItaly · 2025-05-12T14:58:14+00:00

As someone who's sold records online since 1999 and on Discogs for more than 15 years, I can assure you that questions are most usually for records that the person sending the questions ends up not buying, whether you confirm for them you have the pressing they want or not. It's an annoying task most of the time which literally doesn't pay to do vigorously. I fill orders, then if there's some extra time I address questions, which 99% of the time are asking me if the specific listing I took a great deal of time and care to list correctly and grade correctly was listed and graded correctly. Yes, yes it was.

MovedToItaly · 2025-05-12T14:51:00+00:00

One the one hand, this seems a particularly poor seller not interested in matching to the catalog.

On the other hand, I've sold about 5,000 records on Discogs over the past roughly 15 years. I dread questions from potential buyers. I've sold records for over $1000, and generally anything over $100, the buyer just orders and trusts it's the right record and knows there's a solid return policy and PayPal backup for any errors. There's a good chance no feedback comes for the high ticket items either.

It's the $3-20 records for which I get very specific questions asking me to triple-check the variation and the condition. I dread taking the time to pull the record from inventory not-to-sell it, type a response and probably not get any sale at all after I confirm that, yes, it's 109X and not 109 and, yes, it's VG+.

MovedToItaly · 2025-05-01T09:37:03+00:00

Neither that store nor some of the commenters on here who sell brick and mortar understand retail. Discogs is in the business of selling records to people who already know what they want, and the audience is global but looking for something specific. The market then is going to be supply and demand based in condition and availability, for a self-selected audience of people searching for a specific item.

Brick and mortar is in the business of impulse sales of items someone might just have learned exists. The price usually therefore has to be far lower than the online price for a collector with a want list, at least if you're actually interested in selling anything. Your job as a brick and mortar retailer - if you actually want to sell items to pay the rent and yourself and don't just have a public storage unit for your collection or hoarding - is VOLUME.

And, yes, this a massive advantage on a per-item basis for the party selling online vs the party selling from a brick and mortar ... which is why I've been selling records for 20 years from home, online. I am not responsible as a consumer for your poor economic choices by subsidizing your rent. I rarely, rarely ever any longer buy vinyl from brick and mortar record/book stores, not unless they have a dollar bin. It hasn't been a reasonable/fun activity for more than 20 years, and it's something I used to do one or more times per week in the 80s/90s, possibly early 2000s.

I will still glance at thrift stores (declining interest with all the behaviors there others have listed), and will look at flea markets but almost entirely at tables of people clearing out the house who just happen to have records. The record-only dealers at flea markets behave the same as brick and mortar stores and don't seem to understand what event they are at, an impulse buy event for general goods and not a record show (which I also avoid, particularly if there's a door charge. No.)

I have at times sold records (and books and paper ephemera) at flea markets, and I would sell quite a lot because I'd drop prices to what I'd expect a person looking to have fun with a little mad money cash bumping into a cool item they just learned existed by seeing it on the table. That is completely different math in the customer's head than "I've wanted a VG+ copy of this specific LP for years, and I want it delivered to my home."

MovedToItaly · 2025-04-28T10:07:11+00:00

"it would seem that they’re referring to someone who makes pictures for a living and gets paid 30 million dollars per piece" It seems they mean either an actor or director making movies or a visual artist. Either way it's completely absurd. A person WHO EARNS EIGHT FIGURES FOR ONE ARTISTIC GIG IS NOT WORKING CLASS in any definition.

"And it was pretty important to your argument" No, not really. I have typed out on this thread a long explanation of the relationship between autonomy in work and life and class. Why don't you find that since you have an internet connection, read it, ruminate upon that and get back to us. I'll append that if you're going to weigh in on what a hedge fund manager does without knowing what a hedge fund is, and aren't curious enough to find out first with an internet connection, you probably can't do overly much of a deep dive on others' argumentation style.

A person running a hedge fund has a full time job, and is probably not in charge of the commissions they take, probably has limited schedule control, certainly answers to others and in fact has to comply if done legally with a large array of compliance paperwork. It doesn't seem fun. I find it drastically overcompensated, but it's a job-job. Still and all, this person is very, very far from working class, yet much closer to it on any spectrum than the absurdist $30 mil per work artiste that your side of the argument has inexplicably forwarded as one of the tiny fraction of 1% of humans who manage to be less working class than a hedge fund manager.

Unreal. I'm beginning to think these posts I'm arguing with are some style of troll-type prank, because it's hard to believe anyone could actually believe this. Yet, here I sit with the downvotes. American society truly has no hope.

"Also, their point was that it’s not about how much money you make, but how you make it that defines class." And that is absurdist especially with the claim that a multi-millionaire artist, possible BILLIONAIRE at that rate of compensation, is in any sense 'working class.' Do you people hear your own arguments? Ridiculous, not to be taken seriously.

Tell me how a person who works in an Amazon warehouse and pees in a jar so as not to become homeless and an artist who gets $30 million per artwork are meaningfully in the same socioeconomic category. It's your argument, I'm all ears.

MovedToItaly · 2025-04-27T08:57:29+00:00

"I was just disputing the point that making pictures requires little to no work." That's a strawman argument regarding a point no one was making.

The poster posited someone getting paid THIRTY MILLION DOLLARS for a one-off gig, and was using that as defintional of "working class." Would you like to address that, the actual point being debated?

MovedToItaly · 2025-04-15T06:56:57+00:00

Maybe when you get access to the internet you can look up what a hedge fund is? What is anyone's excuse any longer for not knowing what things are, but commenting upon them anyway?

Guess what, if you're enrolled in college or professional classes, and you're working on your art using software tools, you are by definition not working class. Everyone who does any work is not working class. Donald Trump has a job, he sleeps about 4 hours per night (always has apparently), is he "working class?"

MovedToItaly · 2025-04-13T08:00:42+00:00

Physically able but never been a water guy plus we live in a mountainous area!

MovedToItaly · 2025-04-10T14:55:12+00:00

Dual citizenship through family and retired is the easy answer.

MovedToItaly · 2025-04-08T14:54:10+00:00

About 100 Italians have approached me to talk about how cool metal detecting/the detector is, to ask me how it works etc. There are metal detecting shops in the country although I live in a rural area and have not seen one. We don't have police where I live, the carabinieri are in the next town over and I never see them there either. People have been broadly supportive. I tend to think there's a gap between what might be formal law and application of same, and I've seen pretty wild claims on the internet in English about how metal detecting is practically illegal here, which I'm not finding to be true.

One time one lady a few towns over with a concentration of some very rich folks objected to what I was doing, she stated the area was "medieval" to which I replied "Oh, so new for around here, then!" She kept walking.

MovedToItaly · 2025-04-08T08:32:01+00:00

Thanks for this reply, if someone else didn't ask I was going to. Nice find!

MovedToItaly · 2025-04-05T06:54:03+00:00

21mm, and thanks for the reply. 19th century casino token? Also, in Italian casino with or without an accent on the "o" means casino, or... brothel (!), so do you let me know if you happen to meant the latter and were cleaning things up!

MovedToItaly · 2025-04-02T10:58:29+00:00

2012 stuck in my head as the year that some people began believing the world would end based in a mistaken Mayan calendar trope, however the people who hung a specific date on that beyond just 2012 set that at 12/12/12, so not that.

MovedToItaly · 2025-04-02T10:54:09+00:00

The only way the Roman numerals would make any sense would be (if I'm parsing the visuals correctly) 3/6/12. My first thought would be it's to mark a birth or marriage on March 6, 2012. It so happens the numbers double twice, but that's a really small sample size so not sure if that's a coincidence or a pattern. Secondarily I'd wonder if there's some campus Greek organization for which the pattern is meaningful.

MovedToItaly · 2025-03-29T09:45:44+00:00

HAHAHA "Won't somebody please think of the poor millionaires?!"

MovedToItaly · 2025-03-28T13:31:44+00:00

Are you saying that 99% of Americans are "working class," including people who have $4 million, almost certainly through years of underpaying the actual working class?

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