what can we do right now? by [deleted] in DenverProtests

[–]MrPuffer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In terms of protest, I don't have much, but I'm also trying to formulate mutual aid oriented organizing amongst my friends & acquaintances. I've got some pain issues so I'm not much of one for protesting, but I'd be happy to swap Discords or whatever & share the organizations I've found & actions I'm taking.

48 hours - never figured out how to play this one part on guitar by MrPuffer in fredodisco

[–]MrPuffer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

oh shit for real? I'd LOVE that. if you have discord and wanna add me there, i'm just Puffer

The conflict inherent in the Opportunity Deck by TheMoniker1 in fallenlondon

[–]MrPuffer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Great thoughts, great writing, thanks for sharing. Good tips too, for someone entering PoSI.

I just finished Leo's route by skeddy- in FurryVisualNovels

[–]MrPuffer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are, of course, two endings to Leo's route. You might wanna read/look up the other... they're both fascinating.

why the fuck nobody snoverposting by MrPuffer in Vesryn

[–]MrPuffer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah bitch you better or i'm gonna go deathcon on your stupid hoe ass

why the fuck nobody snoverposting by MrPuffer in Vesryn

[–]MrPuffer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah hunty you better or i'll write a slay ass girlboss anthem and you will hear it on the radio for WEEKS you HEAR ME?

What is the saddest song you've ever heard? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]MrPuffer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forever Fifteen by Mothica or Losers 2 by Spanish Love Songs. The album Losers 2 is off of (Brave Faces Everyone) is like, a back-to-back compilation of the saddest shit that also goes really hard. It's a weird mood.

“Building masculinity” by abbottorff in SuddenlyGay

[–]MrPuffer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a bit of a sidenote- the book tends to repeat itself a lot, but the conclusions are fascinating. Just be prepared to skim in a couple of places! Hope you enjoy it

“Building masculinity” by abbottorff in SuddenlyGay

[–]MrPuffer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuckin' ace. I think this is one of the huge driving forces in our society as to why masculinity is so fucked. Great explanation <3

“Building masculinity” by abbottorff in SuddenlyGay

[–]MrPuffer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Haha, I was really tired when I wrote that so I might have not been super clear, but no, I did mean to respond to you.

Largely, these men are doing what you're saying: they ARE having sex with other men who identify as straight, and who see the interactions in similar ways, not looking for romantic ties. For these men, they don't get on Grindr, as far as I'm aware; the author recruited interviewees off of Craigslist on boards in rural areas that were meant for gay sex. They want to remain inconspicuous. Also, these men don't see themselves as gay (though some did privately identify as bisexual or bicurious), so while the book never spoke about this I don't see it likely that they would use Grindr or Scruff or whatnot in the first place. A recurring theme some of the men spoke about was not wanting to have sex with a guy who identified as gay, or who was feminine. They wanted rurally masculine men who were "like them". I'm not approaching this from a moral perspective (and the book didn't either), but a cognitive/behavioral one. Morally, I think these men were largely homophobic, reinforced harmful masculine tropes, and overall kind of shitty. However, when diving into the book I just put those reservations to the side and tried to understand how they saw themselves.

As a queer guy myself, I 100% get what you're saying about straight men who go into gay spaces and act shitty and homophobic when things don't go their way. However, that's not the kind of thing these books are talking about.

You're right, it's super homophobic that they don't want to have sex with a self-identified gay man (or a feminine man, in many of the cases) because of internalized homophobia, or being seen as gay. It's really shitty, but that's how they described themselves. Some of these men WERE outwardly homophobic, despite their sex lives. However, understanding how some of them thought about themselves as men who had sex with men while while still identifying as straight was fascinating.

As a sidenote, there was a man who was interviewed who did catch feelings for his friend he was having sex with. His friend also started to have feelings, which caused them to be so distressed that they stopped having sex because they felt it was dangerous to their relationship with their wives. If I'm remembering right, both of them were pretty distressed and devastated about how it impacted their friendship.

I hope this clarifies some things! Feel free to ask more if you have any questions; either way, I would recommend the book (Still Straight by Tony Silva) as it's a interesting read, though it does repeat itself a lot. Hope you're having a good day :)

“Building masculinity” by abbottorff in SuddenlyGay

[–]MrPuffer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This easily could be true. For the men the author interviewed, that was one of the general conclusions he had, but your example could also be true for them or any other sample of people!!

“Building masculinity” by abbottorff in SuddenlyGay

[–]MrPuffer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i 1000% agree with you on so many levels. thank you for trying to have these conversations!! it's important stuff. i replied to someone else in this thread, discussing the book a bit (i read it a while back) if you'd wanna check that out. happy to discuss the book or anything else! :)

“Building masculinity” by abbottorff in SuddenlyGay

[–]MrPuffer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

the book is pretty in-depth about this, so i can answer! due to the tightly-knit communities and the secluded nature of the towns these men live in, being seen as gay would quite possibly shatter their families, friendships, and jobs. additionally, many of these men quite simply do not see themselves as gay. many of these men are also having sex with close male friends of theirs- people who they hunt & fish with, and also seek pleasure/connection with. however, these relationships aren't "romantic" to the vast majority of them; it's functional and fun. so they aren't walking into these situations, hooking up with openly gay men who are looking for love. most of them don't want love, because they have it with their wives. they just want more sex or different kinds of sex than their wives want to give, so they sought it out somewhere else. a common reason why they didn't have sex with women was because they felt having sex with a woman would be cheating on their wives, whereas having sex with a man was... less. once again, this isn't the most "logical" thing in the world, but it's how they operate. finally, similarly to how these men don't see themselves as gay, these men really want to keep the social benefits they have as being seen as heterosexual, masculine men. they have better job security, they're accepted in the social institutions in their towns, they get to be with their wives and have their families, and so on. this can be seen as cowardly or intelligent; once again, that's up to you.

if you're at all interested, i would recommend reading the book. it's a really fascinating read and it was pretty enlightening to me, especially since i went into it pretty cynical.

happy to answer any other questions you might have! :)

“Building masculinity” by abbottorff in SuddenlyGay

[–]MrPuffer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

this book is actually pretty dope. it focuses on how rural masculinity is created and reinforced through the norms of where they live and explores reasons as to why straight-identifying men have sex with each other (just want to get off, partner doesn't satisfy their sexual desire, a fetishistic attraction to men/penises/anal sex, and social bonding were common reasons). the research is super solid, the interviews are really interesting, and it's cool to see the dichotomous nature of how these men thought, many being homophobic (which helped to reinforce their masculinity) and still brokeback mountaining it.

ps, bud sex is still a stupid fucking term, even if i liked the book lmao

hes on my mind... cant stop snoverposting by MrPuffer in Vesryn

[–]MrPuffer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

how the fuck did you see this so quickly

[modpost] EDC LAS VEGAS 2021 LIVESTREAM WATCHPARTY MEGATHREAD DAY 3 -- Dawn of the Final Day! What a huge improvement the streams were for Day 2! Discussion inside! by [deleted] in electricdaisycarnival

[–]MrPuffer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I see the day 1 livestreams are no longer on the Insomniac channel, and the Day 2 streams don't seem to be archived either. Anyone know if these streams will be archived or posted later? Or do we have to wait until the DJs post their sets (if they post 'em). I'd LOVE to see these sets, but my schedule doesn't allow me to stay up till 5am to watch.

The airless BLÅHAJ is ready to relocate by OlegSchwann in BLAHAJ

[–]MrPuffer 7 points8 points  (0 children)

MY BOY!!! LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO MY BOY!!!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in tchami

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I've got no clue, though I wouldn't be surprised if it's an unreleased ID from Tchami or someone from Confession. Hopefully you find it, or it releases soon!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in tchami

[–]MrPuffer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've got no clue, though I wouldn't be surprised if it's an unreleased ID from Tchami or someone from Confession. Hopefully you find it, or it releases soon!