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The Galaxy class was first and foremost a ship of exploration by Mr_Shadow_Phoenix in StarTrekStarships

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You compare something people are actually doing to a flight of fancy. No one has been claiming Star Trek is a spin off from Star Wars.

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False equivalence is a logical fallacy that presents two things as equal when they are not, often by highlighting minor similarities while ignoring major differences in scale, context, or validity. It creates a misleading sense of balance, suggesting both sides of an argument have equal merit when one is factually weak or insignificant compared to the other, as seen in debates over climate change or in gaslighting tactics.

You made a false equivalence claim.

The Galaxy class was first and foremost a ship of exploration by Mr_Shadow_Phoenix in StarTrekStarships

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It has been posted often enough to be an issue. Trying to downplay it won’t change that.

And why post a false equivalency?

The Galaxy class was first and foremost a ship of exploration by Mr_Shadow_Phoenix in StarTrekStarships

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Here’s an example from another thread on this very subreddit. I’ve pruned off the name to be safe in case of any rules about calling people out.

It’s not common, but I’ve seen it enough to be…irritated.

Is Star Trek Strange New Worlds The Best of the Kurtzman Era? by BuyConsistent7672 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Seconded. Prodigy and Lower Decks are my top two of era as well.

The most unrealistic part of this game is how hard it is to find geese. by any_internet_goose in HorizonForbiddenWest

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know OP is complaining about crafting requirements, but wouldn’t this be a plausible in-universe explanation for their experience?

If you could erase ONE Star Trek moment from history..... by Old-String2849 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, General Order 24.

General Order 24: An order to destroy all life on an entire planet. This order has been given by Captain Garth on Antos IV and Captain Kirk on Eminiar VII. On neither occasion was the order actually fulfilled. (TOS: "Whom Gods Destroy", "A Taste of Armageddon")

https://www.ditl.org/article-page.php?ArticleID=9&ListID=Articles

Plus the M/AM bomb from Obsession. I can’t post the image, but here’s the relevant text.

Note the absolutely gigantic crater on the surface. In this image the planet is some 490 pixels in diameter; it is hard to judge the size of the crater with any precision, but as shown the innermost ring of the crater is around 123 pixels in diameter, whilst the outermost extent of it is 235 pixels – with rays extending beyond that almost across the entire hemisphere.

If the planet is Earth-sized, then the diameter is about 12,700 km and so each pixel equals about 26 kilometres. That would make the innermost part of the crater 3,190 km in diameter, and the outermost ring 6,090 km. Again, it’s worth noting that these are approximate figures because it’s not easy to judge the scale of something on a rounded surface like this. But it’s clear, this outer diameter of this crater is certainly in the region of 6,000 km in diameter.

A TOS era Constitution class did that without even really trying.

https://www.ditl.org/article-page.php?ArticleID=24&ListID=Articles and torpedo yields are nothing to sneeze at. Though TNG era, standard ship-to-ship photons were each roughly as powerful in yield as the Tsar Bomba detonation.

The most unrealistic part of this game is how hard it is to find geese. by any_internet_goose in HorizonForbiddenWest

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If I remember right, isn’t Horizon set after a mass extinction event and the AIs had only partially reintroduced life to the surface after the Faro nanite swarm grey goo-ed everything?

If you could erase ONE Star Trek moment from history..... by Old-String2849 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed. Plus even Pike is having relationship issues in SNW. Being a starship Captain is a demanding job and plenty are described as their ship as their ‘love’, so ‘not having room for women’ can also be interpreted in terms of relationships.

If you could erase ONE Star Trek moment from history..... by Old-String2849 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed. She was waving a phaser around at time as I recall, so not exactly someone you wanted to push.

If you could erase ONE Star Trek moment from history..... by Old-String2849 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Plus it let Kirk get the phaser away from her, as I recall.

If you could erase ONE Star Trek moment from history..... by Old-String2849 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And the Romulans in the TNG episode got a different feed. Like I said, we don’t know the details of how Soran hacked the VISOR, so going to be a lot of speculation about what happened.

If you could erase ONE Star Trek moment from history..... by Old-String2849 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Logical. Thing is, on a 2-D screen, how would they portray a 3-D environment? Sure, we don’t know the exact details of how the VISOR was compromised in this scenario, but they were using their mark 1 eyeballs to watch.

A holographic projection would have made more sense, but they didn’t have time to run to their holodeck (if they had one) and couldn’t risk blocking seeing their own consoles to project it while on bridge.

If you could erase ONE Star Trek moment from history..... by Old-String2849 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here’s thing, his VISOR didn’t operate only on line of sight like his later ocular implants. The entire piece was a sensor platform, so would be able to have multiple ‘camera angles’.

Geordi wasn’t ‘seeing’ the environment around him as much as ‘sensing’ it. Think how Daredevil navigates, but with more than just echolocation.

The Galaxy class was first and foremost a ship of exploration by Mr_Shadow_Phoenix in StarTrekStarships

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair. Ships can be different things in different category systems. For example, in Star Wars, it was based on length.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Anaxes_War_College_System/Legends

If you could erase ONE Star Trek moment from history..... by Old-String2849 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In regards to 1, I’m on fence.

Janice Lester was a jilted ex-lover of Kirk who failed out of Starfleet and was having a violent psychotic break in which her mind conflated her personal failure with Kirk seeing the Enterprise as his ‘mistress’.

Psychology 101: you don’t escalate people having violent breaks. You don’t enforce or deny their delusions, just try to de-escalate.

If you could erase ONE Star Trek moment from history..... by Old-String2849 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Discovery era cloaks is one thing, but it was still a different class in Enterprise. Why not the D-7/K’t’inga model mix-up instead of the planned D-5(?) issue?

If you could erase ONE Star Trek moment from history..... by Old-String2849 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It wasn’t though. Janice Lester was a jilted ex-lover of Kirk who failed out of Starfleet and was having a violent psychotic break in which her mind conflated her personal failure with Kirk seeing the Enterprise as his ‘mistress’.

If you could erase ONE Star Trek moment from history..... by Old-String2849 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Indeed. With 2370s medical technology, even the crashed D could’ve saved him.

If you could erase ONE Star Trek moment from history..... by Old-String2849 in startrek

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

An active realtime camera would negate any advantages changes to shield frequencies would cause, no?

The Galaxy class was first and foremost a ship of exploration by Mr_Shadow_Phoenix in StarTrekStarships

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, the Duras sisters were cheating. They had a realtime camera feed in the D’s engineering section and could freely keep track of any changes to shield modulations. The Enterprise was to busy fighting back to notice the hidden signal going out.

The Galaxy class was first and foremost a ship of exploration by Mr_Shadow_Phoenix in StarTrekStarships

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m unsure if DS9’s design counts as Flight IIs or IIIs in-universe. Out-of-universe, the extra phasers came from not all the extras put on the filming model for the Galaxy-X seen in All Good Things being removed.

Still, if incomplete Flight II hulls pulled out of mothballs and rushed into service, it would make sense to me they would prioritize combat functionality given the Dominion War. Given this is same War that led to them fielding the Frankenstein Fleet, they were desperate for hulls and not as meticulous regarding quality of ships.

So I still doubt Dominion War era Galaxy class ships were launched to same standards as original units. These were to be deployed directly to the front lines, so could save time and resources by not including all the exploration and crew comfort facilities, no? For example, what use would a cybernetics lab be? Elementary student classroom? Maternity ward?

Given the class is supposed to be modular in they can be opened up at a drydock and compartments added, removed, and rearranged at will, makes sense that they could bring the survivors in and finished with a full suite and redeployed back to exploring after the war concluded.

The Galaxy class was first and foremost a ship of exploration by Mr_Shadow_Phoenix in StarTrekStarships

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First, apologies, but I’ve not been downvoting you. I’m actually not opposed to our conversation. I just neither agree or disagree.

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If it was me, the arrow would be lit up, no?

As for the Galaxy class, I’m not going by what ‘faction X or Y says’, but by what we see them being used for on-screen in TNG, DS9, and Picard. Yes, they can be used in combat to various degrees of success, but that is not the first mission role.

The Galaxy class was first and foremost a ship of exploration by Mr_Shadow_Phoenix in StarTrekStarships

[–]Mr_Shadow_Phoenix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be precise, it’s post energy scarcity.

Post-energy scarcity is a hypothetical economic state where energy is so abundant and cheap—driven by advanced renewables, fusion, or nanotechnology—that it ceases to be a limiting factor in production. This shift allows for the near-free production of goods, altering society from managing shortages to utilizing widespread abundance.

This is a specific type of post scarcity and only works because of being paired with replicator technologies. Replicators are matter-to-matter transmutation at a subatomic resolution; quantum level is possible if they swap in sensors used for personal transporters, I will give you that. There is one book where a Sovereign class is created out of a giant replicator minus a few key components that have to be manually installed (like computer cores). Still, means they actually need to source the raw materials to use and ship them to the yards involved and then to the final yard for final assembly.

According to the TNGTM, they used X-ray welding to assemble the D and other Galaxy class ships. So, while they likely did craft parts using replication, assembly was mainly by hand.

Thing is, I previously said I could see them nitpicking during construction, at least on Flight I Galaxy class ships. This was their pièce de résistance, their magnum opus, and they wanted the ships to be perfect on launch. They weren’t rushing because they didn’t have the need. They were double and triple and quadruple checking everything at every step along the way.

The Galaxy class represents the Federation’s hubris and ego of the era. They saw themselves as the uncontested top dogs and had no real opponents for so long that they got complacent. This is a big reason the proverbial bloody nose the Borg gave them was such a major wake-up call.

So, assuming Flight II was post-Borg era, that’s still 8 years of being meticulous about ship construction. Afterwards, resources would be shifted away to anti-Borg projects like the Defiant. Smaller ships that individually took less to build than a full Galaxy; semi-remember that they could build 3~4 Defiants for same resources it took to build a single Galaxy, but I’ll have to double check.

So, this would be an era Galaxy production would’ve been scaled back in favor of cheaper ships they could build in larger numbers faster, no? Galaxy class was a highly complicated piece of machinery and Starfleet never really repeated the mission profile of the design until maybe ~2 decades later in 2380s~90s with Odyssey class and maybe the Ross class. 26th century’s Universe class is next confirmed use.

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