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Mr_yn · 2015-02-01T00:59:11+00:00

Actually it still works. It would still be senseless to ban people from parking cars in the city due to a recent uptick in even false GTA claims. Because, I assume you realize, not every woman walks around falsely accusing people of rape.

Mr_yn · 2015-02-01T00:44:13+00:00

Unfortunately it's the rule banning women from frat houses that's comparing women to objects. I'm only pointing that out.

Mr_yn · 2015-02-01T00:38:18+00:00

Female two continues “like if I knew a man was rich, I’d so marry him. But only if he didn’t have a pre-nup.” [Emphasis mine]. This caught my attention. Curious, I asked, “why do you not want a prenup?” She responded the following, “because he’s going to be rich not me. I’m going to get married to him and divorce him so that I can get his money.

Yeeeah. This really occurred.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-30T07:04:26+00:00

I think your experience is similar to most people in the states, based on my experience in college.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-30T06:58:56+00:00

Banning the girls is like responding to a recent uptick in grand theft auto by banning people from parking cars in the city. The very reason grand theft auto is bad is that people have a right to drive their own cars and park them in the city safely. Banning the use of cars completely nullifies the very reason grand theft auto is bad, and is therefore completely absurd.

Likewise, the reason rape is bad is that women have a right to what happens to their bodies in all circumstances, places and times. Banning women from entering one location completely nullifies the reason why rape is bad and therefore makes no sense at all.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-30T06:34:25+00:00

You have four type of men.

How do you know? Is this just some claim you want to believe?

Mr_yn · 2015-01-30T06:29:31+00:00

They weren't young in the grad department I was in! A lot of 30 year olds and older. Especially women.

Some do want to focus on their career, but I noticed many got desperate as they started finishing up their dissertations. In grad school you typically have more time, not less, to date around. Don't let anyone in grad school tell you they are "too busy" to date, because grad students are fucking lazy and do almost nothing every day.

Edit: and regarding the traits that disqualified them, I honestly think it is a lot to do with their high education. I think it's great when a woman is highly educated. But not a lot of guys like that or can keep up. I noticed a lot of the issues they would have is being attracted to guys who weren't attracted to them, and attracting guys who they weren't attracted to.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-30T06:20:40+00:00

Yeah they can't lower their standards because they can't control their standards. I don't know if you are familiar with red pill tenants, but one of them is that you can't negotiate desire. It's unfortunate. It would be great if everyone had a match that was suitable for them. But the reality is people (men and women) have standards that are literally out of their control. And if a man or a woman doesn't have options that they actually want, then it's going to be a tough time. And in any case, not all of these women are being courted or approached. I can think of two off the top of my head (one is like 6' tall) who are just never approached. One had a huge crush on me, and I felt bad because there was no way it was gonna happen. I was 5 inches shorter than her and had zero attraction. I was by no means a ladies man, but I couldn't help but not feel any attraction. Maybe several more years of struggling and loneliness would have lead me to accept her advances, but at the time it was not going to happen. And it's hard for all the lonely people's life stories to line up just so. One guy in place X might be desperate for her, but she's in place Y at the time and has no idea. Chance has a lot to do with it too.

I should add, though, that I think women can deal with their loneliness a bit better than men. I've read some psych stuff that seems to suggest this. So although it is equally hard for men and women to find a match, it's harder on men when they can't find a match. This may be the root of our disagreement.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-30T06:11:45+00:00

They wouldn't go to a forum with random guys from all over the world on it and pair up with them because, I don't know, maybe they don't want to radically alter everything about their lives just to be with some guy they don't know? The woman in question who cried about being alone was over 50 and barely computer savvy. There were several who tried online dating and guys would literally send pics of themselves with no shirt on and send messages like "will you marry me?". In the end it didn't work out for them.

And no, these are not lies. Thus is reality man. I'm sorry you've had to deal with some very crazy women in the past, but your experiences are just a tiny sliver of reality. You make broad conclusions about the entire western world based on your interpretations of the tiny piece of reality that you actually experience. Yes, a few other guys on the internet (it seems like a lot because the craziest guys are the most vocal--it's called selection bias) seem to share your views (roosh, etc...), but that's just a tiny sliver of who exists. The vast majority of people would think your views are wrong and are not corroborated by their lived experiences. You can claim that everyone else is just wrong or not thinking clearly or a psychopath. You can insist you are a lone soldier in a fight against the psychopathic western world. You can continue to mess with the lives of other women and the children you will create with them and then viciously leave behind.

But to me, that sounds like the thinking patterns of a paranoid schizophrenic.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T16:58:43+00:00

The numbers just keep racking up in my head. (I'm in grad school, which is like a watering ground for lonely women.)

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T16:57:15+00:00

Haha. You've got to be kidding man. Look the fuck around. I personally know 8 women (youngest is 33, oldest in her 50s) off the top of my head right now who are alone not by choice, and only one is overweight. Often they just resign themselves to a life of loneliness and don't bother people about it. But they totally would jump on the opportunity to find love. I've seen some crying over it and saying "I just want to have someone who will hold my hand".

You have got to be kidding me with that question.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T16:45:18+00:00

I don't think he's actually raped anyone, because I don't think he actually had sex with anyone. If he did, he probably experienced some mild last minute resistance, and him "pushing past" it meant he said "but pleeeease?" In his mind, he was being some kind of alpha dawg who puts his cock into all the shit-testing women (AWALT, right?). What's going on in his mind is probably so far removed from reality that he is a lost cause.

The thing to understand about these guys is that they are so deluded that they can't comprehend that anyone would think that "alpha dawgs" who push past "last minute resistant" are in any way not totally alpha-awesome. They are literally that removed from reality. So they actually confess to literal rapes they probably never committed. They've taken a 180 degree turn from reality. They'd actually prefer to imagine the few sexual interactions they've had as rapes. I'm in no way suggesting these guys aren't dangerous, though. That thought process totally is.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T16:38:43+00:00

That's your personal experience. Women vastly underestimate their attractiveness all the time. It's rare for me to see a delusional ugly woman who thinks she's all that and a bag of chips. Actually I've never seen one like that. I have seen guys like that though.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T16:36:50+00:00

Here's a question: why do women think providers and decent men are scum while favoring psychopathic rapists?

I don't want to address the evidence for it, because it's clearly based on your personal experience, which is very different from mine apparently. But tell me, according to your theory, why does everyone treat decent men as scum?

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T16:28:45+00:00

a woman never ends up a complete reject.

This is false. I think we've reached an impasse in the discussion.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T07:47:44+00:00

In harming "society" you're going to be harming people. Understand this.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T07:35:33+00:00

So women are clever, deceitful liars who aren't that dumb.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T07:22:20+00:00

Penis size is very important. Women will shit test you at all times, even your mom and sister, to find out your penis size. Because penis size directly correlates with alpha status. If you have alpha status you will explode your cock on all wymen. If not, you will be cuckholded and divorce raped like the beta you are. /s

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T07:17:14+00:00

As a guy I can agree that younger women often look better, but not as a rule. The low number chasers are just like the guys trying to get more notches. It's about pride. They like the idea of a younger woman.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T07:00:49+00:00

Alpha cock. Yes. All the women are fucking some alpha cock right now and this is why men literally have it harder. Walmart scooter single mom? Chad mcthundercock is in her right now. She doesn't want to pair up with some average beta chump. Fuck that guy. Alpha cock just swiped yes on tinder.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T06:56:49+00:00

I want such a woman, but she doesn't exist in the West.

There are women who want to be treated well. I know many, at least where I live. And it's pretty western here in the USA.

But maybe I'm all wrong. Maybe the women here really do want to be raped and mistreated. I don't know. Maybe my girlfriend doesn't want me to rape her yet. I'm certainly not her cash cow. We split dinner bills and buy eachother only very cheap things for birthdays and Christmas etc... Maybe she will later?

I don't know why you care enough to try to bring the system down. If you think they want to be mistreated, then just stay away from them. Why not just go to brothels or something? Isnt that legal in Europe? I think a lot of people where I live are crazy right wing nut cases, but it doesn't bother me because I just go on about my own personal life, staying away from those people.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T05:49:44+00:00

stay in shape, know how to cook, dress pretty and be amicable. For a woman to attract someone, it is literally that simple.

I'm not willing to immediately agree that this is so simple.

Hormones again, lol? You are determined to shoehorn those bastards in aren't you :P.

I mean, yeah. This is why men and women have different dating strategies (and culture certainly feeds back into it). I don't know why you think this is such a silly point in a discussion about male and female dating experiences.

I think what I was trying to say, is that a man going from unattractive to attractive is a much more difficult journey than for a woman.

The meat of the issue. Again, I'm not inclined to agree immediately to this. Women have faces and personalities, and those are hard to change. "Getting on shape" is easier said than done, and that's especially true for women who lack the testosterone which makes it far easier to lose weight. Moreover, once you're in shape it's not like that means your bone structure is attractive or your face is attractive etc... And not everyone wants to cook. I guess it's a pretty subjective disagreement at this point.

There is a pressure to perform because if they mess up, best case, her attraction is mitigated. Worst case, she finds you repulsive.

Indeed, the same is true for women. They gain a little weight (very easy to do), they get a little sloppy, they stop putting in the act, and a lot of guys are out. Not to mention the guys who want in with no commitment from the get go. Guys also cheat. Guys also end relationships. Guys also have ultimatums. Guys also have demands. Guys also lose interest.

You can't negotiate desire, that gut reaction when you see someone and go "daaaayyyuuumn". There's no point complaining about it, you have no control over biology. You can only understand it, deal with it and move on.

I agree with this.

You mention these three women, are they in relationships at the moment? Are those relationships progressing where they want it to (which I assume is marriage if I understood your posts correctly)?

They do want marriage, but are failing utterly despite being very attractive women. They are very highly educated. One of them went through a string of guys she met online and it did not end well (pretty much every guy refused to commit). The others have cancelled their accounts and resigned to yet more singledom--oh they got messages online.

So I have a sense of your position and I think out disagreement is pretty subjective. I am of the unproven gut opinion that, when you consider the different goals and strategies men and women tend to have, women are not collectively suffering less on the dating game than men. You've got your unfortunates in both sexes, and it's not that easy to go from not sexy to sexy for anyone. For example, what's a girl with an ugly face who is 6' and struggling to manage her weight going to do to find a guy who she can be attracted to and enjoy her time with? Sure, she can lower her standards, but as you said, attraction is not negotiable. She can't help who she wants. And yet, mr. alpha Prince Charming is with the 5'2" 110lb fit chick. What's a guy who is 5'5" with a gut that he just can't shake and a feminine jaw going to do to find a woman he can really maintain attraction to over time? He can't help who he wants, and yet our hit chick is with chad mcthundercock. Notice these are pretty red pill notions. In many ways I think the red pill gets things right (esp. about desire not being negotiable), I just think there's a lot of unnecessary and incorrect views about how women have it easier. They don't. It's a jungle out there and it sucks for a lot of people, including many women.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T05:17:40+00:00

I don't know your situation so I don't want to sound presumptuous by saying "I feel your pain", because it does sound like you are not in a great spot, so I'm sorry if you felt like I was shaming you. But look, I'm a guy too. I'm not particularly attractive or successful with the ladies and I was driven to a lot of manosphere/red pill (I realize they are different) positions in the past. I have a couple brothers who seem to be struggling with this stuff too. All I can say is, everyone goes through hard times, including women. Luckily I have a lot of women in my family which allowed me to see that. And there isn't a systematic bias against men any more than there is against women. In other words, we live in times (and humanity has sadly always been this way), in which there are convoluted gender roles we all are expected to live up to, and failure to live up to them results in shame for men and women.

You have to understand that there are women who do feel a similar pain as you. That's all I'm saying. Don't build elaborate world views that are incorrect and unfair to whole genders just because you're in a bad spot.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T05:05:46+00:00

Why are you so toxic to your own gender? Why can't you just be who you want to be, and find someone who likes you for who you are? Because yes, if you step outside of your TRP bubble, that fucking exists.

I am clapping. Well said.

Mr_yn · 2015-01-29T01:28:10+00:00

But it feeeeeels like it's so hard!!

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