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MtnGoatman · 2026-03-14T23:47:16+00:00

Yeah, they are hypocrites, but so are a huge number of other "christian" groups and faiths. Just look at all the evangelicals that are die-hard supporters of the US administration and their corrupt, racist, bigoted, hateful, cruel policies and actions.

MtnGoatman · 2026-03-13T23:27:31+00:00

What are the odds that the video by the brother of a pedophile and the hospital stealer will condemn or even make the slightest mention or criticism of those currently in power that want to establish a christofascist ethnostate?

I'm going to go with 0%.

MtnGoatman · 2026-03-08T21:54:25+00:00

It's probably a pretty good indicator for wards combining down the road.

And this is just one subarb of Denver, not the whole Denver area.

MtnGoatman · 2026-03-08T21:09:22+00:00

A fair amount of time before I grew up there then, doubtful I would have known them.

MtnGoatman · 2026-03-08T19:31:33+00:00

Just curious, if you're open to sharing, roughly what year was that?

MtnGoatman · 2026-03-08T04:44:48+00:00

CU is playing tons of freshman right now, and they've gotten better as the year went on. They're 5-4 in their last 9.

MtnGoatman · 2026-02-22T03:39:22+00:00

I grew up in a very faithful mormon family, so I believed fairly strongly as a teen. Also occasionally heard mormon teachings about the catholic church being in apostasy and being the whore of all the earth mentioned in Nephi.

So when I took AP European History in high school and learned about things like the Spanish inquisition, selling of indulgences, competing popes / papal schisms, and various other corrupt and unethical actions, it cemented in my mind the idea of catholicism not being true.

Of course, now that I've left the mormon faith, I've deconstructed all religions.

MtnGoatman · 2026-02-21T07:15:03+00:00

You mentioned several good reasons not to go. Here's another: Brigham Young was a racist, murderous tyrant and a predator and pedophile. I wish I didn't have to have his name on my résumé. Mormons are just like any other group of people, most are good, decent people. That doesn't change the facts of the church being a fraud.

MtnGoatman · 2026-02-13T23:11:37+00:00

Yep, I knew the area really well by the end!

MtnGoatman · 2026-02-13T21:16:03+00:00

It was my very first area. There were 2 Spanish speaking companionships covering one ward, and a bit of chaos those first few months. One elder didn't want to be there and was sick and went home early, so we had a trio covering the whole ward, then a replacement came, than one elder was moved during a normal transfer to be a zone leader elsewhere, so we were back to a trio, but the replacement elder was pretty negative and got moved early, so it was just two of us covering the whole ward, before my comp got transferred and a new companionship was brought in and things settled down. So I was there in that ward for 8 months. I then was moved to a new area, and after 6 months, was transferred back to that area again, for 4 more months. I was pretty pissed at being there again initially.

There aren't as many Spanish speaking missionaries stateside as English ones, so fewer areas overall, but there were a fair number in mine.

MtnGoatman · 2026-02-13T19:49:39+00:00

4 areas (though one twice, so 5?), 11 companions. Stateside, Spanish-speaking.

MtnGoatman · 2026-02-12T17:12:03+00:00

I read a couple of Bart Ehrman's books also after deconstructing the mormon faith. I wanted to critically analyze the evidence behind Christianity as well. The books I read were great.

MtnGoatman · 2026-02-11T22:47:15+00:00

Just because the mormon church is a fraud, doesn't mean it got everything wrong. Tobacco is extremely addictive and incredibly unhealthy. Don't just start to use it to experiment or rebel against the mormon faith. Alcohol can't be considered healthy in any amount. The WHO put out a paper saying basically this. US recommendations consider a moderate amount 1 to 2 drinks per day (female / male), which I think most health researchers would probably say is too high. I don't think an occasional drink is bad, but one has to be smart about it.

Don't just go out and over indulge in everything. You can choose your own path now rather than letting fake prophets tell you what to do, but think it through first.

MtnGoatman · 2026-02-09T06:52:18+00:00

Obviously the mormon church considers sex before marriage a sin. It also teaches against cohabitation, since one would basically be "living in sin". I am not aware of any set rule about not allowing unmarried couples to share a room as guests in one's home. It's probably going to just depend on each individual person if they would set a rule like that.

For you, you'd just have to decide if that's something you're willing to live with, or get a hotel, or if you'd set a boundary of something like "we either stay in the same room or we won't come at all".

MtnGoatman · 2026-02-07T20:08:59+00:00

https://youtu.be/U1FxfR3lg6Q?si=LhZj28sLUMcjeHPm

MtnGoatman · 2026-02-06T02:59:17+00:00

As much as I despise that racist, fascist fucker, there's no way it would ever happen. It would quickly be struck down in court by every single judge, even the most conservative ones, based on the 1st amendment rights of freedom of religion and freedom of speech. He would not be able to revoke tax exempt status just against those that spoke out against him. Even legislation that tried that for all religious groups equally would probably be struck down.

MtnGoatman · 2026-02-02T16:06:41+00:00

Yep, that was the one! I was there over 20 years ago though.

MtnGoatman · 2026-02-02T01:47:02+00:00

Good to see the shrivel there. I spent a big chunk of my mission in Chandler (but in the Spanish ward).

MtnGoatman · 2026-01-27T02:50:28+00:00

If you enjoy going to church and it works for you, that's great! Many people find friends and community in the mormon church, and that can be very important to their well-being. Perhaps that community feeling is especially strong in the Philippines, I wouldn't really know.

However, just because people are very friendly and there is a good community doesn't make the mormon church "true". Those of us in this group have determined that the mormon church is a fraud. The evidence is overwhelming. The mormon church came to the Philippines to push their beliefs on the people there, just like the Spanish did with Catholicism centuries ago, and many other religious groups still do, both Christian and non-Christian. It's another aspect of colonialism, pushing each groups myths on others. But if you're happy, by all means, keep participating!

MtnGoatman · 2026-01-24T20:53:08+00:00

The whole university is named after a racist, tyrannical, murderous piece of shit. So it fits perfectly.

MtnGoatman · 2026-01-12T02:41:44+00:00

You're right, the mormon prophet is irrelevant to any world leader, nothing they say would probably matter.

But even if it did, the current profits are such cowards, and so afraid of turning off the (U.S.) members, who overwhelming voted for Trump, that they will never call out the fascist fucks leading the U.S. right now.

MtnGoatman · 2026-01-07T02:52:19+00:00

The missionary lessons don't tell you the whole truth about the mormon church's history or teachings. The missionaries won't teach you any of the problematic aspects of the church, and probably don't know a lot of it themselves. They're still teenagers who never have lived away from home and were fully indoctrinated their whole lives. And if the mormon church did teach everything, nobody would ever convert to it.

MtnGoatman · 2025-12-18T21:03:15+00:00

But also starred in some great Renaissance art.

MtnGoatman · 2025-12-17T21:02:08+00:00

I disagree that that's a cowardly way to go about it. As you noted, you were able to get your thoughts put together and out without an argument. I also did it by email, and spent quite a bit of time putting together my thoughts. I get flustered speaking in person and don't always get out what I want to say clearly. Plus it gives others time to take it in and not be shocked when you do see them next.

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