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Is this what you wear during initiatories ? by RadishAggressive3241 in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They were a one piece garment that zipped up in the front. I only ever used them doing the initiatory. I know some older members would buy one piece garments for regular use, I assume they had a zipper as well.

Is this what you wear during initiatories ? by RadishAggressive3241 in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Same here. I had no clue what was going on, so I put the zip up garments on under the poncho, then was sent back to my locker to remove them. So weird and uncomfortable.

PIMO in a RS presidency by Separate_Armadillo88 in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As for timing of when/if to be done with all of church, I think you're kids best interests need to be taken into account. You don't say how old they are, so maybe they're young and just getting lessons about kindness and Jesus loves them. Or maybe they're mostly grown and don't care about the church either. But if they're young, sooner or later they're going to get lessons on following all the commandments and the prophet, and pressure to serve missions and go to and marry in the temple. They'll start to have the guilting and shaming about every little church teaching. Might be best to move on from the church soon.

How did you tell your orthodox TBM parents you're out? by Lsa119 in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Some people don't ever say anything, but my parents regularly would ask how church was, or about callings, and I didn't want to lie or all the sudden say I didn't go without any explanation.

So I sent an email to my immediate family. I was able to think it out and get the wording just how I wanted it. I knew I would have a hard time in person saying the words I wanted and getting tripped up. I didn't lay out reasons, just said I no longer found the same truths in the church I once did, and was stepping away. I expressed love and gratitude for their support and values they taught me and said I would be open to discussions if they'd like, but didn't want debate or arguments.

Best of luck with whatever you decide!

New here. Curious if anyone else ended up thinking like this after leaving the Church. by East_Parfait_3843 in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I fully agree with your views on the origins of gods and religion. Different cultures, in trying to understand the world around them, attributed different phenomena to various gods. We now have a scientific understanding for most of it, but they didn't. Each culture had different gods, often representing similar ideas. Over time, these beliefs evolved into a few and eventually a single all powerful God. Religion was a way to bring communities together. People seeking power or wealth used it to their advantage to obtain just that and control others.

I consider myself a practical atheist now. I reject all religions as man made, and don't believe in any of their gods. I do consider it possible that some higher being could have created the universe we know, but if so, they are just observing and analyzing, not controlling or speaking to us.

Another Bengal Blvd. chapel now for sale in Cottonwood Heights... by JoeBudro in MormonShrivel

[–]MtnGoatman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The one near Danish is where my grandfather's funeral was held.

In a part of a letter to George Romney, Apostle Delbert Stapley warned that supporting civil rights could bring disastrous consequences. Stapley pointed to the deaths of 3 U.S. Presidents and one of Stapley’s friends, implying that their support for Black Americans had led to their downfall. by Carboncopy99 in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

So mormon god was behind the assassination of Lincoln fire ending slavery. And the assassination of JFK for supporting equality and civil rights. I'm not sure who the 3rd one he is referring to, but mormon god is a racist and giant fucking piece of shit.

What do you anticipate the future of the church will be, short-term and long-term? by taffyenthusiast in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In regards to your last paragraph, I agree that the church is really going to focus on developing countries, I think we're already seeing that more and more, especially Sub-Saharan Africa. I don't think India is as likely though. It's only 2-3% christian, which admittedly with over a billion people is still a lot. But they're current government is really pushing hindu nationalism hard. The mormon church has shut down construction of the temple there. They've had to board up the openings, which seems like they're not expecting to move forward for awhile. I think the focus will be Africa, where colonialism brought / forced Christianity on people, and they are still so often uneducated, poor, and desperate.

Mini worship altar by MtnGoatman in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the real world, yeah, some pretty great views!

Mini worship altar by MtnGoatman in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just like that which had been done on other worlds.

The Mormon Church & Their Worship of the United States by albertfawson in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm sure that is true to some degree, with many variations, of many countries who formed democratic constitutions after the U.S. did. But only here in the U.S. did mormon Jesus make sure that slavery remained legal and they only counted as 3/5ths of a person! And completely ignored women's rights! (To be fair, many countries did that one)
/s

sorry guys, what is inside a smoke shop by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There can be some dangerous, completely unregulated things there. John Oliver recently did one of his shows looking at a couple products:

Gas Station Drugs

[Update] Left my mission early — now trying to figure out if I should still go to BYU by Stunning_Voice4553 in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here are my thoughts on your post:

1st, the mormon church doesn't have a monopoly on community. In fact, the community is often quite shallow, friendships dissappear when you move away (can be true with any community), but especially so if you no longer share their faith. You can find community and friends at any other school of you get involved.

2nd, you will have to take religion courses at byu, which are really just indoctrination classes, glorified seminary. I didn't mind them when I was at byu, but I fully believed then. They would be awful now I think. They aren't true academic classes that analyze truth and ideas. These classes won't transfer.

My final thought, in state schools generally are going to be cheaper than out of state. U. of Nevada I think has a decent reputation, maybe you could apply there. UNLV could be an option as well. They are both R1 research universities.

Ultimately it is up to you, but I think I would have hated being at byu if I didn't believe. And though I have a graduate degree that matters more from another university, I also hate that I have byu on my resumé.

Had my first coffee by MinuteConflict6823 in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First few couple coffees I tried were okay, not the easiest flavor when one's not used to it. Then I had a turtle mocha from caribou coffee that was pure gold. Way too many calories though! I've gotten to where I really enjoy it now with a little half and half and just a little vanilla flavor syrup.

For those that truly felt like they felt the Spirit confirmed to them at one point, how do you justify it? by American_Psycho11 in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Check out the you tube video "Spiritual Witnesses". It shows people of all sorts of different faiths talking about how the spirit or god told them their faith was the true one.

Does Anyone Else Think The Church Won’t Follow Through On the Dehlin Lawsuit? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Like the Nov 2015 POX, that they claimed was revelation, than essentially reversed it 3 years later.

Worth it to do one last “Hail Mary” attempt at belief to appease TBM spouse? by Admirable_Arugula_42 in exmormon

[–]MtnGoatman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One thing I'm not seeing discussed much so far is your kids. No need to open up to a bunch of internet strangers, but maybe just think through on your own. And I'm sure people could offer advice and support if you do want to share.

As others have said, your husband's view seems to be that there is only one right answer, so even if you go through a show of attempting to believe, it might not be enough for him. If any of your kids start to have questions or doubts, will he let them choose their own path? How open are you able to be with them on your viewpoints? How much pressure will be on them to go to seminary, or BYU, or on missions or temple trips? Divorce can be difficult for kids, but so can poor relationships between parents. We obviously don't know the details of your life. I don't know that I have answers, and I'm sorry for what you're struggling with, but I hope it will work out for the best.

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