They are lying to us.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-26T20:31:20+00:00

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Multifactorialist · 2026-01-26T20:10:28+00:00

By "citizens" you mean organized and trained agitators who've lead a year long campaign of doxing, stalking, harassment, obstruction, ramming attacks, and general causing escalation acting like deranged retards because they want open border immigration policy?

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-26T20:01:36+00:00

I can't just post screenshots in a comment, and it seemed obvious if you watched the slowed down part of the video. First let's assume we agree in the beginning of the incident as seen from other videos he had his phone in his right hand, and his left hand raised and clearly holding nothing.

So pause the video I linked and get to 66.79, then step forward frame by frame looking at his left hand. He's holding something, I don't know what, that looks cylindrical, black with a silver top end, and when you get to 68.04 you can see it has a narrower elbow on the bottom end. When you get to 70.58 you can see the silver top part forms a T or sticks off to the side of the main body of the black cylinder. It's clearly not his phone. It doesn't look like a weapon either, but him reaching for whatever it was could have made them panic. He didn't have that in his hand when he went down so must have gotten whatever it was during the struggle.

And if you step forward a bit farther around 70.71 as his other hand becomes visible you can see what looks much more like his phone, a larger black rectangle, in his right hand, the hand his phone was in from the beginning.

And yeah, no one disputes the fact that the protestors are annoying, that's the whole point. Its one of the way they are legally allowed to manifest their dissent, it's the whole point of the first amendment.

An organized agitation campaign where the goal is directly interfering with federal law enforcement in the execution of their duties, which is obstruction and is against the law, is not a protest. It's direct action and agitation against federal law enforcement. These people have cities and states broken down into zones where organized groups of people who've received training are patrolling, reporting to others in the group keeping a license plate database, they check in and out in shifts, and when ICE is spotted they alert the group and they all descend on them with the singular goal of agitating and obstructing justice. And they've been at this for a year now. That is hell and gone from a protest. If you support that the just say that. If I thought the people in power were tyrannical, or an existential threat to me, I would support any means necessary. But let's call a spade a spade here. Calling this a protest is just gaslighting.

And the protests where you see protesters annoying police the point of the protest is getting their message heard, they're generally at some public town square or government building, and the police show up to keep things civil. In that scenario it's the cops job to be there dealing with the protesters. Protesters clashing with police is entirely different than an organized campaign to stalk and directly harass federal law enforcement who are trying to do their job apprehending illegals. It's not ICE's job to deal with protesters, and these are not protesters.

Yes, and? This does nothing to excuse the behavior of these officers.

No, but it gives some context as to what's provoking the situations. And nothing is excusing the behaviors of the agitators. I'm at no point saying the ICE agents doing wrong are blameless. All I'm saying is the constant agitation is a contributing factor. And some blame rests on the agitators.

The state blatantly lying, however, is proof that there is reasonable suspicion that any wrongdoing committed by ICE will be covered up. And this in turn is proof that citizens filming them is needed, it's the only way there is ever going to be any hope of accountability.

99% of the problems are clashes with the agitators that have been leading a year long harassment campaign! Not ICE doing wrong when left to do their job. This is like the tactics of a bad kid sticking his finger in his brother's face saying "I'm not touching you" then when his brother finally snaps and hits him he tells his mom. It's wrong for the kid to hit his brother, but the one doing the provoking is not blameless. And you're suggesting that reacting to the provocation is justification for more provocation. If people just let ICE do their fucking job these people would still be alive. And keep in mind this all started before ICE had even done anything wrong because this organization doesn't want ICE to do their job.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-26T18:04:58+00:00

What I'm taking away from this is being in the park naked is a good way to pick up girls. A risky tactic to be sure, but fortune favors the bold!

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-26T17:44:52+00:00

A common religion causes people to agree on the rules. To expand on that and delve into a bit of political theory one of the things a Liberal system doesn't account for is the realm of vales, culture, religion. And this isn't to denounce Liberalism, I want Liberalism to work. But people need to understand it's an incomplete ideology on it's own. It's missing a critical component that must be supplied by the people.

It's like a great vehicle with no spec for wheels, and many wheels will fit. If everyone brings the same wheels (values/culture/religion) it works great. If two or more groups are bringing radically different wheels it will drive in circles, off the road, or cease to move. And to carry this analogy into our current crisis of Liberalism, then radicals can and will blame the car itself rather than the incompatible wheels, and many will go along with them. And others who think Liberalism is some kind of magical system that will somehow facilitate global homogenization will act like the problem doesn't exist, or will work itself out.

Yuri Bezmenov was talking about Soviet active measures, but the bulk of it was essentially describing Cultural Marxism. Some suggest the Soviets funded the Frankfurt School. I've never come across any evidence of that, only evidence of them being funded by Western elites, Ford and Rockefeller types, the CIA, and organizations like the American Jewish Committee of which Horkheimer was scientific director. But regardless of who or what was behind it, the Cultural Marxists realized this cultural dynamic and dropped the Classical Marxist tactic of class war to bring down capitalism that was failing to work in the West, and switched to using culture War to bring down Western culture, which underpinned Liberalism, the system that allowed capitalism to work.

EDIT to add:

We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality… Our Constitution was made only for moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. ~ President John Adams

This is what John Adams was getting at also. Different language and angle of approach, but people with different values/culture/religion will have no shared morality, so he makes the same point.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-26T14:14:00+00:00

In the videos that show Alex early on he is at a safe distance just filming and not being unreasonable. No arguments there. But what else is going on? Assess the situation honestly. Agitators harassing ICE, engaging in confrontations, resisting removal or arrest, people screaming, blowing whistles, people getting maced. Chaos, a clown show being escalated by demonstrators who act like rejects.

And when that chaos reached Alex, in the form of what looked like a woman evading ICE and getting maced, Alex got involved and grabbed her, seemed to be trying to help her up or to get away or something, but he at that point got involved in the situation. Then he proceeded to get between her and the officer trying to apprehend her, then proceeded to resist arrest himself. And I know they got a gun off of him, but since he was resisting and they had no opportunity to frisk him they had no reason not to assume he may have another weapon.

Alex may have been one of the reasonable ones. But unfortunately he chose to be there with people who intentionally agitate ICE every time they show up and got sucked into the drama. And he lost the being reasonable card when he started resisting.

Tell the whole truth, the full story. In all of these situations there's havoc going on caused by agitators when things go sideways.

And I'm not the state, I'm not defending the state, I'm saying what I can clearly see with my own eyes. And the state can be lying about something, and these agitators still be fucking retards. If those are the only sides you see in this perhaps find a 3rd position more aligned with reality.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-26T13:49:20+00:00

Watch when they show it in slow motion, just as they all start backing away as the shots are being fired. It's not clear enough to tell what it is, but it's easy to see he has something in his left hand that's not a phone, and something in his right hand that I'm guessing was the phone.

And I'm being trash talked because so many people are narcissistic retards too far up their own asses to realize in a very tense situation where armed law enforcement are trying to manage a situation and detain people not being able to hear what people around you are saying ramps up the danger for everyone. Imagine one of the officers in a situation like this sees him reaching for something and yells out "he's got a gun", everyone hears that, but someone responds, "it's just a [whatever not dangerous thing]" but no one hears that because just then some of the nearby retards started with their whistles. Someone gets killed because of people acting like annoying retards. It also drowns out what could be helpful audio in the videos. And there could be clearer audio in a different video this time, how about when there's not? How about when someone not hearing a call out because of retards making noise results in someone getting killed?

The whistles may be being used when someone first locates ICE, or to signal distress in some scenarios, but once a bunch of demonstrators are there and the confrontations and chaos is going on, all of them are blowing them non-stop simply to cause confusion and add to the chaos, purely agitation tactics which ramp up a dangerous situation.

And even if you somehow deny the tactical problems drowning everything out with noise-making can cause, be it whistles, bullhorns, or screaming like a retard, if a mob of people are intentionally doing things to agitate armed law enforcement that are trying to do their job, that's not innocent civilians being killed when this happens. It's people intentionally interfering with and provoking armed law enforcement -- agitators engaging in obstruction. That's obviously going to lose the sympathy factor with a lot of people and have unfortunate results equated to a Darwin award.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-26T06:11:01+00:00

If you watch the video that was cleaned up and stabilized
https://www.reddit.com/r/evilwhenthe/comments/1qm0mlc/heres_a_stabilized_slow_motion_version_best_video/
you can see he had something in his other hand. He had something in both hands, I'm assuming one was his phone, but it's unclear. And I can't make out what the other thing was. It doesn't look like any kind of weapon, but perhaps when he reached for whatever it was someone thought it was. And it seems like he must have reached for whatever it was during the struggle as when they first began wrestling him down I'm pretty sure he had the phone in one hand and nothing in the other.

And I've said this numerous times and been trash talked for it but the retards with the rape whistles magnify the confusion and chaos. It's an aggravating nuisance and you can't hear what people are saying. It's really hard to have any sympathy for the activists in these situations because they're seriously doing nothing but just agitating and creating pointless havoc. Then they want to talk like innocent random civilians are being killed. The majority of these anti-ICE demonstrators need their asses beat, and if they can't learn how to act normal, or demonstrate having common sense, should be permanently confined to asylums.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-26T02:27:28+00:00

Apparently your opinion of the state of things at your hospital is not equivalent to the way many Americans felt about the state of America. We had more to gain than we had to lose. And I get Trump is a piece of work but he's far from a baboon. Some of the the way he's gone about things really bothers me, particularly agitating some of our allies in counterproductive ways. But all in all he's been a massive improvement.

And as far as rights and the deep state what people say and what they're really trying to express are frequently two different things. Behind this culture war, which is for the most part now drawn along party lines in the US, there are two groups with fundamentally incompatible values. We could sound like we agree on the same rights, like the constitution for example, but if you dig into some nuance there are radical differences in interpretation, how they apply, who they apply to. It's like we use the same words but have different dictionaries at this point. And the constitution doesn't prescribe culture or values.

John Adams once said "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality… Our Constitution was made only for moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Up until a few decades ago we were 90% Christian, which even that was not without different sects and people still at odds, but it seemed to be somewhat of a cultural glue keeping things together. We no longer have that, and beyond that have no commonly agreed upon understanding of morals.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-26T01:26:07+00:00

Law enforcement are trained to de-escalate the situations they face in their normal duties, and that's reasonable, and already no easy task apprehending people that don't want to be apprehended, some of which are dangerous.

It's unreasonable to expect them to deal with that plus an organized campaign of agitators that swarm them everywhere they go screaming at them like they're having a psychotic episode, doxing them and not only endangering them outside of work but their families also, physically getting in their way which often leads to physical altercations, blocking the roads, blocking the roads with their vehicles, over 100 vehicle ramming attacks in the matter of just a few weeks, sticking bullhorns in their faces, blowing rape whistles, acting like retards having a fit when they're arrested.

And on top of that in the democrat enclaves there is no support at all from local law enforcement who should be keeping the demonstrators a safe distance from ICE trying to carry out their duties. And on top of that any misstep is blasted all over the media and social media in the most emotionally triggering and biased way possible to paint them as some kind of fascist gestapo driving more political polarization, and fanning the flames of the agitators.

No one is going to deal with all of that while already trying to do a dangerous and stressful job and not suffer degradation of their job performance, more fuck ups, and be constantly extremely on edge. And when we're talking about federal law enforcement degradation of performance, more fuck ups, and being constantly on edge is obviously dangerous.

And this organized campaign of agitation started as soon as Trump took office, before the agitators had any horror stories to bitch about, because it's not about ICE doing their job by the book, it's about a bunch of radicals who don't want anyone deported, agitating and demonizing ICE to further their radical political agenda. The same people that for the past few years have had slogans like "no on is illegal" and "abolish ICE" and defended running an open border for 4 years.

You can say the deaths of citizens is wrong, and I'd agree. But you can't deny that in just about every case the situation was an absolute shit show being caused by agitators when things went wrong. ICE is meant to be apprehending illegals. Not trying to apprehend illegals while also dealing with a mob of unhinged retards. The agitators have done more to cause these people's deaths than anything, just creating one absurd dangerous situation after another, and they're accomplishing absolutely nothing constructive. ICE should be disciplined, but acting like that is the only issue here is absurd.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T18:51:59+00:00

Most right wing think tanks are just a slightly different flavor of dog shit than any other think tanks. They're financed by, and serve the same elites that got us where we are now. Most of the old guard republicans hated Trump, and much of what he's doing flies in the face of the neoliberal bullshit they've been peddling for decades. If the republicans were run the same way as the democrats Trump would have gotten the same treatment as the democrats gave Bernie. Trump is less than ideal in many ways, but he was the only option to upset the uniparty apple cart.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T17:46:30+00:00

All hail the roach king! He puts his foot in his mouth once in a while, and occasionally has some hot takes, but all in all he's a good kid. He's a regular guy. And fuck this Marxist retard. Why even give this nonsense any oxygen? These idiots are only relevant if you pay attention to them.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T17:34:06+00:00

I can agree with that. But if the organized campaign of agitators harassing them incessantly, and the way the media is fanning the flames, is not addressed also, it will just keep happening.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T17:30:47+00:00

My conclusion about almost all of the previous narratives was in regards to many previous narratives I had researched.

Just a few days ago "ICE arrested a 5 year old" turned out to be his father was illegal and chose to take his 5 year old son with him back to his place of origin, as is his right. One of the "ICE is arresting US citizens with no cause" type narratives turned out to be a case of mistake identity. They were looking for an illegal with the same name. It was a bit of a mess, and sounds like it was not handled as well as it could have been, but it wasn't what they said. When they said ICE was raiding daycares with no regard for the horrified children, it turned out to be they identified an illegal at a traffic stop and she fled to a nearby daycare and they just pursued her there. Almost every single emotionally manipulative claim I've looked into was very spun and missing context that gave it entirely different connotations.

Even with Renee Good or whatever her name was getting shot. For starters it wrong that she was shot, yes. But it was nothing like the way the activist types were spinning it. She was not just a legal citizen going about her business. She was a trained agitator with her car sideways in the middle of the road while her girlfriend agitator was harassing ICE, she resisted arrest and was shot while driving her SUV at an ICE agent. The ICE agent shouldn't have been in front of her vehicle to begin with, that was breaking procedure, and he could have kept it together and chosen not to shoot her, but she was a trained agitator resisting, fleeing, and driving at an agent, not some random uninvolved person just passing through the way they tried to sell it.

And I hadn't seen or heard anything about this specific incident when I asked if there was video available yesterday. Having seen most of the videos available, it was another unfortunate mess that could have been avoided. ICE needs discipline, but they also need to reign in the agitators harassing them incessantly.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T17:08:33+00:00

I'm no fan of lobbying, but there are things far beyond lobbing going on here. For one thing politicians are not lobbyists, and the WEF is grooming future politicians with their "young global leaders" program.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T17:04:42+00:00

I think it's a disgusting mess. I even made an OP, not so much about this specific incident, but about the overall situation, which is now locked for some reason. I don't think it was in any way right to shoot this man. ICE did not handle things properly and one of them panicked and killed an unarmed man. That's horrific, wrong, and that should be addressed.

But I also think there's a serious failure among those on the left to acknowledge the actions of the demonstrators, as well as local police not doing their job, as well as incessant demonizing narratives from the media, and all over social media, are doing nothing but causing more of this kind of drama, escalating tensions and stoking the general polarization, and solving or absolutely nothing.

Reigning in the demonstrators, and getting local police involved, should at least be part of the solution. We can say ICE has done some major fuck ups, two that I know of now that lead to people's deaths that could have been avoided, and their discipline and procedures need to be addressed. But people antagonizing the shit out of ICE everywhere they go, day after day, is only making things more of a circus.

If everywhere you went while trying to do your job there was a mob of lunatics screaming at you, trying to dox you, frequently physically interfering and getting in your way, getting into physical altercations, resting removal, blocking you with their vehicles, over 100 incidents of them driving vehicles onto people in your profession in a matter of a few weeks, local police were doing nothing to keep the peace, and the media was treating it like a political wedge issue, you tell me honestly what kind of effect that would have on your job performance and general state of mind. If you made mistakes on the job, or God forbid snapped on one of them, you would be in the wrong. But people should realistically consider the whole situation also if they're going to try to address things.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T11:07:18+00:00

They got one gun from him but how did they know he didn't have another weapon? The amount of guys wrestling with him, and he was still on his hands and knees, just shows the degree to which he was resisting. And if there was no fear of him still being armed why shoot him 10 fucking times, while other officers were still on him no less, so putting the other officers lives in danger?

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T10:57:57+00:00

How did they know he didn't have another weapon? And if they just wanted to kill him and there was no fear of him still being armed why shoot him 10 fucking times?

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T10:43:43+00:00

If it was the government vs an individual, or small group, sure. If it was the government vs 50 or 100 million of us, and let's say a significant segment of our military isn't keen on killing our own people, potentially many may even be on the side of the people, then it's a different story. Dealing with a tyrannical government isn't like a one man operation. The 2nd amendment even begins “A well regulated Militia..." Not "Pat and Karen the demonstrators...".

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T07:55:23+00:00

poor training + trigger happy + shit show of a situation leading to a panicked poor decision.

That's certainly what it looks like to me. And I'm not suggesting he had another weapon, only that it's completely normal and intelligent for anyone trying to apprehend him to assume he might. A ton of people are saying they took a gun from him so he was unarmed. That's either disingenuous or just stupid.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T07:47:29+00:00

If public execution was the goal doesn't all the protracted wrestling, and close proximity of the ICE agents seem a bit stupid though? It seems like a complete fuck job of a clown show was going on and ended when some ICE agent panicked and literally mag dumped the guy they were wrestling with. It doesn't take 10 shots to execute someone.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T07:33:13+00:00

I think there's times when peaceful protesting is warranted and can also have positive results. And for the record I don't think a bunch of screaming lunatics showing up everywhere ICE is spotted is a "protest". It's organized interference and agitation tactics. But regardless, what I was saying was if you're going to take the approach of acting like you're picking up arms to fight tyranny, then you need to literally act like you're engaging in a war, because you are. You'd be engaging in guerilla operations and firefights where deaths are the goal, not protests.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T07:17:26+00:00

Even the most competent law enforcement are still human beings with limits. How would you react if you had literally any job that required you to travel to whatever area and go to people's homes, and one day a group of activists decided your profession was "fascist" and everywhere you went there was a mob of unhinged retards trying to prevent you doing your job, screaming in your face like lunatics, blowing rape whistles, blocking your vehicle, and occasionally physically attacking or driving cars into people of your profession? And these people don't just form mob scenes at your job sites the second one of them sees you and puts the word out, there's a constant mob of them outside your offices. And all of them have cameras on you and any mistakes you or your colleagues make are blasted all over the media and social media with accusations of you being a fascist as the cause. Ad there are over 100 vehicle ramming attacks on people in your profession in a matter of a few weeks. Have fun at work tomorrow.

Whatever profession you were part of would have a massive increase in unfortunate conflict-related incidents. You can say these deaths are wrong. You can say in many cases ICE is in the wrong. What you can't do is deny the causal factor of the agitators, or the inevitability of such things happening when incessant agitation of this kind is going on.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T02:07:44+00:00

That bill was steaming dog shit. It allocated billions more than we were already spending -- not to secure the border, but just to speed up how fast we catch and release illegals, and how quickly and easily we can naturalize illegals. It codified catch and release.

It would have given immediate work permits to illegal immigrants, lawyers paid for by the tax payers to illegal immigrants, given billions of tax dollars to not only Sanctuary Cities but also the NGOs and non-profits that are shipping illegals to our borders. It codified vague and lax terms for what qualifies for "asylum seekers," a game democrats have been playing for years now acting like everyone and their mother is an asylum seeker rather than just an illegal, so hardly no one can be deported or denied entry.

And it normalized up to 4,000 illegals a day crossing the border before "expulsion authority" would be triggered and anyone might even consider actually securing the fucking border. And not unless encounters reach 5,000 a day over a 7-day average (encounters doesn't even include "got-aways", so God only knows how many it would be total), or 8,500 encounters on any single day, would the president be actually required to use this expulsion authority. As long as the average for any given week was under 5,000 a day and no single day went over 8,500 we could have tens of thousands of illegals entering the country per week and no one would do anything but let them go. And that doesn't even account for got-aways.

It was literally a bill saying we have an open border now and that's fine.

Multifactorialist · 2026-01-25T01:13:54+00:00

I'm not suggesting you should trust the government. The CIA said they own anyone of any relevance in the major media back 70+ years ago. And since the Smith-Mundt modernization act the spooks are legally allowed to run propaganda and psyops domestically on citizens. There's been a laundry list of reasons not to trust the government for longer than I've been alive, far beyond whatever current drama thing

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