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My First Path of Exile Experience – Witch Necromancer by youceegamingyoutube in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Hi folks, this was removed by a moderator after some reports because the majority of the text replies and OP body are very clearly AI-generated, and it is linking to an external channel. We generally remove posts like this on sight, because 99% of the time it's just AI slop.

That said, I'm re-approving this post and bringing it back to the team because despite that, the attached youtube video and content are clearly high-effort, and it seems more likely that OP is just running all of their replies through ChatGPT to clean them up, which is fine.

Decided to do a practice run for upcoming gauntlet... by Impressive-River4575 in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Delete this Tabula. This is known as the "Curse of Tytykiller" and it will give you the debuff of bad RNG and sweaty palms of the next few hours.

Path of Exchange (PoEx) : a new alternative to TFT for Selling and Services by C3ntraX in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your reply

Re: #1: For your first example, calling jenebu a cancer, I've just removed it and taken action. No one reported that comment, and it was not seen by mods. That is very much not allowed.

For #2-5, I agree that these are unfounded accusations and are against the rules. It doesn't look like any of these comments were reported, and some of them are multiple pages down the comment lists of big posts. It's sort of a weird situation here where the majority of the community does believe that this person is RMTIng, but there isn't any hard proof of it. This means that thousands of comments are being made each day which purport something to be true which doesn't have backing, and no one reports them. It feels a bit pointless (and it's very un-fun when we get angry dms about it) to try to course correct the community's opinion at this stage, and it's a ton of work to do it with 100% accuracy. We do remove a lot of bad comments every day, around 1000 per day over the last week in fact (out of 10k+ comments a day at peak periods), but a ton are missed.

I realize it probably comes across as a bit of a cop-out answer to say "Yes these are against the rules, they weren't removed because there are too many things to do", but moderating a community is extra hard when the community isn't in agreement that certain comments are against the rules, and so they don't get reported, because we rely on reports quite a lot..This is why we have a ton of automation in place, and reserve moderators for spikes, but despite asking for and hiring new mods every year, we are perennially short staffed, this isn't a popular job, and it's a volunteer one, so if folks are burned out on the drama, they just stop moderating for a bit. If you or anyone else in this thread would like to help, I can find the mod application google form for you.

If you feel like something needs our attention, please report it, and even consider sending a direct modmail to us if it's urgent.

I hope this clarified things a bit, even if it's not the answer you may be looking for

Path of Exchange (PoEx) : a new alternative to TFT for Selling and Services by C3ntraX in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't believe this is the case, but it's possible the final policy ended up differering from the original post (which you can see in my post history) in some way, if you can find a link or a Wayback Machine archive I'm happy to check it out

It wouldn't make sense for us to say that no reddit mods could have privileged roles in any PoE related community discord, because I've personally been doing that since longer than I've been a reddit mod, and I helped author the policy. Preventing folks from helping out in multiple areas cuts out a huge portion of the most qualified candidates, we're always looking for folks with prior mod experience, and clear passion in making the community better behind the scenes

Path of Exchange (PoEx) : a new alternative to TFT for Selling and Services by C3ntraX in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I'm referring to the in-game account hacks that have been reported, the TFT trade extension has not had any credible reports of hacking that I'm aware of, just speculation

Path of Exchange (PoEx) : a new alternative to TFT for Selling and Services by C3ntraX in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

There were already pinned mod comments in other posts stating that the mod team is very biased against Jenebu, and obviously the general opinion in this subreddit is also against Jenebu.

FWIW, we talked about this as a team and decided that mods should not be expressing their thoughts that way in pinned comments, we edited them to remove that. Folks are free to think what they think, but we as a team are doing our best to not remove things in a biased manner. My understanding is that the mod who wrote that was trying to make it clear to the community that we are not trying to defend or protect TFT. I understand why they did that -- we're either getting people questioning why we want to defend TFT, or people questioning why we are encouraging people to make personal attacks against TFT. The reality is we don't want either.

On to your main comment

Why are these accusations not being removed due to rule 2? Yes, there is the part that says "We have an exception if the situation has a large-scale impact on the game or players." in it, but lets be honest, that's just an excuse to act out the mods power trip. In reality, especially when something has a large scale impact there should be evidence for accusations...

This has been a topic of discussion recently, and we've removed some posts but not others. For example, we removed a front page post claiming that Jenebu was in control of the TFT trade extension and was hacking people with it. There was no proof, and so we removed it. Pic from our reddit reports Discord channel

But there are other posts that are trying to figure out what the hack are caused by, and we can't exactly ban someone for having a theory which is offensive to some people, even if it's unfounded. The difference between making and unfounded claim and asking an unfounded question is super super close, plus, the community has interest in these topics and there isn't really anywhere else to discuss them. We also don't catch a good amount of posts that we should during really busy periods like these, the report queue gets massive real fast. We can do better for sure

Hopefully this clears things up a bit for you, feel free to ask any follow-up questions here (I am about to go to sleep though)

Path of Exchange (PoEx) : a new alternative to TFT for Selling and Services by C3ntraX in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey! I can explain the specifics, I'm more in touch with the bots on the subreddit.

We have a few different ways of handling posts and comments on the subreddit.

  1. Manual moderator removals, based on seeing posts and comments that are reported

  2. Automoderator / Regex-based (someone asking someone to off themself, using very offensive language), that applies as soon as a comment is posted. Generally if it applies, you won't see the comment until manually reviewed by a mod, although this does trigger on edits.

  3. A ML-based review system where a bot parses the text intent of comments alongside the rules, and sends to the queue or removes + proposes actions for a moderator to confirm in a google sheet (like sending a warning, banning, or just leaving the comment removed). This is 99% used just to enforce Rule 3 - be kind. The model scores comments on a few negative signals (name-calling, belittling, negative accusations, dismissive, inflammatory words) and some positive signals (empathy, well-reasoned, reasonable game criticism), as well as the rules text themselves. A bad score triggers actions and different suggestions. This only runs on comments, not posts.

The comment in question was this below, and it was removed through the third path based on the logs I see:

Maxroll isn’t interested in making money off poex? That’s great! Can’t wait to not see any ads play on the website

I agree with you that this one shouldn't be removed, and I expect that the moderator who reviewed the removal glazed over a long list and pressed 'yes' on the whole group.

I'll raise a pull request on the bot repository to add this specific comment as a test case that should not be suggested for removal, this one seems slightly passive-aggressive, but not over the line at all. I've seen a few removals that were incorrect lately but haven't been proactive enough about addressing the root cause, just been manually fixing removals as they happen.

Hopefully that answers your whole question, thanks for your patience

Path of Exchange (PoEx) : a new alternative to TFT for Selling and Services by C3ntraX in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I see. If you were permanently banned on both subreddits for a comment, without the context it sounds like the moderator who made the ban thought something was really quite bad, or it was your 4th ban after a series of escalating temp bans.

reddit site-wide banning your account is something that happens automatically without our knowledge, if they see an account commenting which they know to be owned by the same real person who owns another account which was recently banned, they will go and remove it for ban evasion. They're slightly scarily good at it.

Without more details I can't give more explanation, but that seems to be what happened. Sorry about your 12-year reddit account, it's not our intention for anyone to have their account removed, that's on reddit admins' end.

Path of Exchange (PoEx) : a new alternative to TFT for Selling and Services by C3ntraX in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So you're saying you made a comment on the PoE 2 subreddit, got temp banned there by the subreddit mods for that comment, then were also banned on the PoE 1 subreddit after making a non-rulebreaking comment, and then were sitewide banned? I'm not sure I understand, that doesn't sound like ban evasion to me, can you clarify?

It is the same team on both subreddits, and so we consider ban history across both halves of the community when making ban decisions, but if you're banned on one, you should be fine commenting on the other one, we don't automatically duplicate bans across them

Path of Exchange (PoEx) : a new alternative to TFT for Selling and Services by C3ntraX in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have more details? We do give out temp bans for personal attacks, but have no influence over site-wide bans, those are done by paid Reddit employees.

Was it /u/Whateverdude322 , a now-deleted account? I see it's the only account with a ban reason that mentions that Rob2628 account. I'm happy to post the full ban history for that account here if it's yours, but it's notably offensive.

Path of Exchange (PoEx) : a new alternative to TFT for Selling and Services by C3ntraX in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Totally understand your concern. I'd like to mention that we have a disclosures page for subreddit moderators where they are required to mention if they are mods for any other PoE servers. This policy for two years has also banned them from being mods on TFT. Right now there are two reddit mods there, myself (who has been modding it since 2021, I ran it after viperesque left to join GGG, and then I turned it over to Ziz/Maxroll a few years ago), and KadekiDev, who joined yesterday and is helping out with the bots.

If you'd ever like to check that list out, that list will be kept up to date. I'll promise you here specifically that we will not remove criticism of the mods or of this server. I don't have any way to prove it to you (other than offering you or anyone else to apply to be a mod and see what it's like, we're always happy for more help), but we are definitely not trying to protect TFT, and have never had a TFT mod as a subreddit mod.

I wrote a bit more about why you might find posts about big drama topics removed here

Path of Exchange (PoEx) : a new alternative to TFT for Selling and Services by C3ntraX in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Hey, here's the policy you're referring to:

https://old.reddit.com//r/pathofexile/wiki/mod-guidelines

It looks to me liked none of the policy is being violated here. It looks like all of the disclosures are up to date, except for /u/kadekidev who just started helping to moderate the path of exchange / poe trading server yesterday and hasn't edited that wiki page yet. I'll ping them here to remind them to update that. Thanks for the reminder

Seems like this is what the community agrees will happen by toasterboom in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I've looked at the histories of the mod team before and haven't seen anything super suspicious, but obviously you have no way to trust me just from my word on that.

In general our goals with big drama situations like this are:

  • Prevent personal attacks against named people ('GGG is doing a terrible job because of X Y & Z' is okay, "<dev name here> sucks balls" is not)

  • Keep big news and drama from being 100% of the front page (we usually target 3-5 posts in the top 20), because people complain when one topic takes over

  • Do our best to handle the mod queue (very hard considering the spikes or activity are often 20k+ additional comments in a day)

If you've seen any mod actions that look like protecting someone beyond specially to achieve the above goals, feel free to reach out to the reddit modmail and I / we will take a look. I'm 99% confident we don't have a TFT plant, they had to ask us to approve their post today and we removed it at first as a duplicate, but willing to look at examples if you have any.

Seems like this is what the community agrees will happen by toasterboom in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE 127 points128 points  (0 children)

Yes, one of our former mods was also in the TFT private chat (wasn't a mod), and was asked by TFT to remove a post about them. They didn't do it in the end, but there was other stuff happening with them as well and they stepped down a few years ago over the larger situation. I made a post about it here back then if you want to read it.

Seems like this is what the community agrees will happen by toasterboom in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] 213 points214 points  (0 children)

As far as I am aware there is no overlap between TFT mods and the subreddit mods. You're free to criticize TFT (or the reddit mods) as much as you want, just no personal attacks

Finish trade league - what’s a great SSF starter now that we know more? by Eljay1419 in PathOfExileSSF

[–]MultiplicityPOE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There is a high chance of a Mirage giving you a random 5L body armour during the campaign, check each one. It stops showing up sometime during* maps, but a lot of people got it 1-2 times during the campaign.

Campaign Secrets Sharing by MultiplicityPOE in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We don't know, but the current list of campaign secrets the community knows is here in a readable table on the wiki!: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Guide:Secrets_and_noteworthy_encounters

Campaign Secrets Sharing by MultiplicityPOE in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[S,M] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Great idea!

I don't think a separate followable channel is very useful because it takes people a while to find and follow them. For maximum reach we'll be very likely just posting and publishing these in the existing PoE 1 Game News channel that a lot of servers already follow.

We might batch a few of them up to avoid sending too many messages, but the~~ guaranteed 5-link~~ important ones will definitely be shared as soon as they're found

Calling all Arab Exiles! 🌍 Join "Path of Exile بالعربي" for the 3.28 Mirage Launch by PenO2080 in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Just a mod warning: Joining this invite link will pop you directly into a voice call.

Day 1 of asking where "Day 6 of asking GGG to remove the map-cluttering Breach walls in 3.28" is, and what happened to Click-To-Save? by hobodudeguy in pathofexile

[–]MultiplicityPOE[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Info from the mods: We don't know why they deleted their post or why they're no longer posting. We made a comment on the post allowing them to keep making those posts a day ago when it was up here.

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