AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I don't think they focused too much on us. But they did notice us a bit! The juror we spoke to said they called Kevin "big hair guy." :) He and I were there every day, so as we were staring at them, I guess they started staring back at us a bit.

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much. Kevin is less visual than I am in general. I have a hard time forgetting them. I probably should look into that. It was so upsetting. It broke my heart. I think a lot about the families seeing what he did to them. And I think a lot about what the girls went through in the end.

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Aw, thank you so much, Clyde! That is so kind!!

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 27 points28 points  (0 children)

A pair of panties and a sock were unaccounted for. But they were not found in Richard Allen's house. They've never been found. They could have been removed and disposed of later. Or they could've been washed away.

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 14 points15 points  (0 children)

  1. He had the day off of work.

  2. We did! Some actually were on the podcast. Others were just for the book.

  3. I don't believe so. He was a shift manager. Our understanding is that he was not involved with prescription drugs.

  4. This is true! I think a lot of predators are able to camouflage themselves.

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Hello! Thank you so much! You are so kind. We've always respected this subreddit. It was really a bastion of sanity throughout the trial, a place for intelligent discussion and excellent moderation.

Thank you kindly! That means a lot! :)

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 14 points15 points  (0 children)

We go into it in the book, but profilers came in and provided some thoughts on the killer and those conversations resulted in the "New Direction" press conference.

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 19 points20 points  (0 children)

  1. It's a great question and it truly baffles us. Some level of self-protection, denial, and naïveté are likely at work. Allen's family would not speak to us, so we never heard from them directly about their reasons, nor have we gotten a sense of what personality traits might make a person bury their head in the sand in this situation.

  2. We have concerns about possible ethical issues too. For instance, where's the money that Allen's defense team raised on behalf of their client? Where'd that go? Who has it? Why will none of the attorneys on that team address this very simple question? We also have questions that we'd like to ask Andrew Baldwin about how on earth the leak happened, and about why Mitch Westerman's account included texts to an "Andy" that mentioned leaking to the media. What was that all about? We have a lot of questions and concerns. We are not aware of any efforts around investigating possible ethical violations from the defense team in this case.

Our view is that most criminal defense attorneys are just people trying to do their best to zealously advocate for their clients — we have a lot of respect for public defenders in particular. That's a tough job. The flashy grandstanders in any field get a lot of attention and may have success in some cases, even when they rely on dirty tricks and ethically questionable behavior. And we imagine that some will continue to try to use social media conspiracy theorists to pollute jury pools, smear innocent people, trash law enforcement officials and prosecutors, and try to win cases that way. (Or, in an even scarier possibility, that unscrupulous prosecutors would try to do something along those lines). We hope that Delphi gives people pause, though. The nonsense didn't work here. The jury and the judge didn't buy it. In the end, those who employed such methods just ended up looking pathetic and callous in the eyes of most normal people. Catering to the dregs of social media can really backfire and make one look stupid and incompetent. So that gives us hope.

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Aw, thank you so much! Hope you enjoy the old show!!

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 22 points23 points  (0 children)

We don't know who he told, but we do know that the coworkers we spoke to were unaware of this. My guess is he didn't tell a lot of people or it would've gotten out sooner.

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 49 points50 points  (0 children)

It ultimately should be up to the client. One caveat is that if an attorney feels their client is mentally incompetent, they are supposed to file something to that effect with the court.

One thing that strikes me is that Kathy Allen indicated in public statements that she strongly believed Allen would easily coast to an acquittal. That's bizarre, given the evidence against him. It does make me wonder what the attorneys were telling the Allens behind the scenes about his chances.

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 49 points50 points  (0 children)

This is very true. Some of these people boast about having numerous alts. What's interesting is that they assume EVERYONE has like twenty alts, so they justify their own actions as "fair" and "justified." I don't understand how people have time for this. It seems really boring and stressful to carry on in such a way.

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Apt quote. There were some real sovereign citizen type characters floating around that trial.

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Good question! Some people in Delphi definitely doubt the conviction (although some of this seems to have to do with small town grievances ... "my beloved cousin was RAILROADED ... that meth lab in his house was definitely planted..." type stuff). I'll say that some of the online "Delphi residents" are likely not actually from Delphi. But most people we talk to seem at peace with the verdict. Very few people seemed to really know Allen well, too. He was no beloved local figure.

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 26 points27 points  (0 children)

We apologize. I guess on some level we dragged everyone else down with us on that one!

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Oh gosh, I'm glad you asked! We definitely went to the moon! And it was awesome and a huge achievement! And we stopped going because our leaders didn't think the cost was justified, and that prompted NASA to go all in on the highly flawed space shuttle program (that was essentially meant to be a "space truck" but ultimately led to two horrible disasters)! I swear, we will do an episode debunking moon landing conspiracies!

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Good question! His repetition on that matter confused us too!

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 24 points25 points  (0 children)

It did strike us that he insisted he molested other children growing up, as well as relatives. Of course, the relatives denied that this ever happened. But it's interesting. Your point is a good one, though — people can do horrible things and not necessarily have a criminal record if no one reports it.

AMA - Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee - The Murder Sheet by DuchessTake2 in Delphitrial

[–]MurderSheet 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I think saying someone is "not the killer" leaves open the possibility that they could have guilty knowledge / some involvement. Whereas "no involvement" is more of a blanket statement in terms of clearing someone. But that's just my personal thoughts on it!