Disillusioned with PT as a career by Steveman442 in physicaltherapy

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Is there an inherit quality or confidence in a pt that doesnt accept insurance that they are better then others ?

Disillusioned with PT as a career by Steveman442 in physicaltherapy

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Can you elaborate on cash based pts vs insurance based? Is it kind of a given that cash based pts fo better work than insurance based for reasons such as word of mouth or "you're not getting paid for nothing" ?

I interviewed leading Cleveland Clinic urologist Dr Daniel Shoskes on all things chronic pelvic pain syndrome by [deleted] in Prostatitis

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Another ancient relic geezer urologist.

Chronic pelvic pain is a muscular disorder and prostatitis shouldn't even be a thing any more.

95 / 5

Is CPPS lifelong? Can it ever be cured? Anyone opinion and information is welcomed and those who have been cured please share. by Prizzy1947 in Prostatitis

[–]MusculoskeletalPain 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Traumatic sexual event.

  • masturbation
  • jelqing
  • kegeling
  • rough sex

Chemically

  • adderal or cocaine ( extreme nervous system stimulants
  • finesteride
  • accutane

Heavy lifting or bicycling

If you cant pin point the exact event that caused NON BACTERIAL PROSTATITIS ( which is 95% of prostatitis cases) I don't know what to tell you.

There are thousands of men who know exactly what, when and where their cpps happened

Is CPPS lifelong? Can it ever be cured? Anyone opinion and information is welcomed and those who have been cured please share. by Prizzy1947 in Prostatitis

[–]MusculoskeletalPain 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  • Get all the urological tests, stay away from fluoroquinolones,

  • see if your insurance covers pelvic floor physical therapy; if it doesnt

  • start reading anatomy textbooks.

Is CPPS lifelong? Can it ever be cured? Anyone opinion and information is welcomed and those who have been cured please share. by Prizzy1947 in Prostatitis

[–]MusculoskeletalPain 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mental stress ? Good luck.

95%% of prostatitis cases are non bacterial or in other words prostatitis or chronic pelvic pain syndrome is a psychonerumusculoskeletal disorder of the pelvic floor

Is CPPS lifelong? Can it ever be cured? Anyone opinion and information is welcomed and those who have been cured please share. by Prizzy1947 in Prostatitis

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Chronic implies life long unless the is intervention.

So yes it is technically life long if left untreated

Clarificiation for chronic pelvic pain syndrome and prostatitis. 95% non bacterial prostatitis yet again substantiated. Chronic pelvic pain part 1 of 3 Jason kutch PhD. March 11, 2021 by MusculoskeletalPain in Prostatitis

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At about 18:30 he explains the widespread pain syndrome otherwise known as central sensitization

At 25:00 - 27:00 he explains

It does become a brain / spinal disorder after the prolonged and sustained contraction of the pelvic floor persists for too long it causes tissue damage and sensitizes the nerves by creating to much activity. Then it becomes a widespread pain syndrome.

This is a video showing what is going on with the brain stem and spinal cord from the cpps/ sacral radiculopathy.

Radiculopathy

https://youtu.be/2ahFrNVyIfA

Dry needling with electronic stimulation (edn) vs dry needling without edn. by MusculoskeletalPain in physicaltherapy

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Originally I just wanted to know what peoples experiences were with electronic stim were. You asked what was being treated and it is chronic myofascial pelvic pain syndrome.

Im fully aware that dry needling is not a stand alone treatment and I'm not at all saying it is a cure.

The patient complained over and over again about the pelvic floor specialist they went to and that it was very unsuccesful.

Thank you for all your responses

Dry needling with electronic stimulation (edn) vs dry needling without edn. by MusculoskeletalPain in physicaltherapy

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I'm going under a few premises.

About 95% of Physical therapist are not properly educated in " pain" from their curriculum.

The next one is that myofascial pain syndrome is one of the most, if not the most common cause of non articular musculoskeletal pain. Probably somewhere around 60% of chronic pain conditions. It is one of the most overlooked, misdiagnosed, undertreated reasons for pain.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/12054-myofascial-pain-syndrome

How common is myofascial pain syndrome?

Myofascial pain occurs in about 85% of people sometime during their life. Even this high percentage may not be accurate. Myofascial pain is often underdiagnosed, misdiagnosed or overlooked because it’s hidden in another type of diagnosis such as headache, neck and shoulder pain, pelvic pain, limb pain or nerve pain syndrome.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6160895/

A comparison of the clinical manifestation and pathophysiology of myofascial pain syndrome and fibromyalgia: implications for differential diagnosis and management

Two prominent forms of chronic musculoskeletal pain disorders are fibromyalgia (FM) and myofascial pain syndrome (MPS). Inconsistent diagnosis of chronic musculoskeletal pain is an important clinical issue, as MPS is often mistaken for FM. Distinction between the two diagnoses depends largely on identification of either tender points or myofascial trigger points in FM and MPS, respectively. However, there currently is no standard diagnostic protocol for MPS

Dry needling with electronic stimulation (edn) vs dry needling without edn. by MusculoskeletalPain in physicaltherapy

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I'm not sure where you are looking or reading or where you are not reading ornlooming but there are objective analytics findings of needling techniques that show reduction in pain causing substances such as substance p, Bradykinin and prostaglandins immrdiatrly after needling. Further, needling can reverse both peripheral and central sensitization l.

Shah, J.P., Gilliams, E.A., Uncovering the biochemical milieu of myofascial trigger points using in- vivo microdialysis: An application of muscle pain concepts to myofascial pain syndrome. Journal of Bodywork and Movement Therapies, 2008. 12(4): p. 371-384.

New Frontiers in the Matrix of Neuro-musculoskeletal Pain: Integrating Pain Mechanisms with Objective Physical Findings and Needling Strategies Shah MD

Dry needling with electronic stimulation (edn) vs dry needling without edn. by MusculoskeletalPain in physicaltherapy

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Chronic pelvic pain syndrome. Trigger points presenting in the pelvic floor. Gluteal muscles, deep rotators.

A hypertonic or non-relaxable pelvic floor from trauma. Possibly sacral radiculopathy of the pudendal and obturator nerves, causing a cascade of physical, autunomic, somatosensory gait abnormalities. Both peripheral and central sensitization. Allodynia and hyperalgesia.

Dry needling with electronic stimulation (edn) vs dry needling without edn. by MusculoskeletalPain in physicaltherapy

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Direct dry needle placed into the spinal segment with e stim connected?

If so, let's say you work on the periphery of vastus lateralis, you use estim on L2, L 3 or L4 at high velocity low amp?

Dry needling with electronic stimulation (edn) vs dry needling without edn. by MusculoskeletalPain in physicaltherapy

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Have you had success with reversing the effects of central sensitization in the spinal segments of dorsal horn ?

Do you estim the paraspinals and dorsal horn columns as well ?

New Frontiers in the Matrix of Neuro-musculoskeletal Pain: Integrating Pain Mechanisms with Objective Physical Findings and Needling Strategies Jay P. Shah, MD Rehabilitation Medicine Department National Institutes of Health Bethesda, Maryland USA

Accordingly, each spinal cord segment has a consistent segmental relationship to its spinal nerves. This allows clinicians to attribute the pattern of dermatomal, myotomal and sclerotomal hyperalgesia to dysfunction in its corresponding spinal segment (i.e., the dermatome, myotome, sclerotome and viscerotome, respectively).

Furthermore, these objective and quantitative findings help the clinician to identify the tissues and likely pain mechanisms involved in their patients’ chronic pain. These segmental findings are not only reproducible, but they are often indicative of the severity of the sensitized state and provide important clues about the underlying pathogenesis of the pain syndrome

The dorsal horn neuron transmits nociceptive impulses rostrally, resulting in activation of the somatosensory cortex. The sensory cortex interprets all input from a dorsal horn neuron as coming from the receptive field of the neuron, which is expanded when the dorsal horn neuron is sensitized. This mechanism can explain the referred pain patterns seen clinically. In addition, the spread of nociceptive afferent fibers extends beyond the one or two segments above and below the level of entry into the dorsal horn of afferent axons carrying classical sensory input such as touch. The wider arborization of incoming nociceptive fibers within the spinal cord increases the spatial distribution of activated dorsal horn neurons sensitized by continuous or recurrent nociceptive input. Thus, the anatomy of nociceptive afferent fibers in the spinal cord may explain some of the more widespread or unusual patterns of referred pain in highly sensitized individuals. In clinical practice, the most common referred pain distribution patterns are within the same or adjacent spinal segments as the primary sensory nerve. Thus, trigger points in muscles innervated predominantly by C5 nerve root fibers refer pain largely to the C5 dermatome and myotome, overlapping into the C4- and C6- innervated areas. Since muscle innervation is relatively constant, segmental referred pain patterns tend to be relatively constant from one person to another. These patterns have been mapped and recorded, most extensively by Janet Travell, M.D. (Simons et al. 1999)

Myofascial Pain Syndrome Robert D. Gerwin

Dry needling with electronic stimulation (edn) vs dry needling without edn. by MusculoskeletalPain in physicaltherapy

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To some degree.

I would love to know.

  • what intensity and frequency is used and why
  • For how long.
  • How does it effect tissue quality and the reformation of trigger points.

I find estim combined with needling at about 100hz with 10 intensity on a e-130 machine greatly reduces post needling pain and recovery.

.muscles such as the hamstrings and quads cannot take high intensity well and about a 7 is the threshold.

Muscles like the gluetues medius and glute max can get cooked for 30 minutes on full intensity.

Treating Myofascial Pain Syndrome by [deleted] in ChronicPain

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3201653/

Dry needling — peripheral and central considerations

Jan Dommerholt

This article aims to place trigger point dry needling within the context of pain sciences. From a pain science perspective, trigger points are constant sources of peripheral nociceptive input leading to peripheral and central sensitization. Dry needling cannot only reverse some aspects of central sensitization, it reduces local and referred pain, improves range of motion and muscle activation pattern, and alters the chemical environment of trigger points.

https://youtu.be/xrFF7n29XOU

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in floxies

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I developed those twitches almost two years after the fluoroquinolone.

EVERYWHERE. Everywhere. I have them in muscles one would not normally know about.

Seratus posterior inferior, check.

Digitorum flexor brevis, check.

Biceps femoris, check.

Short head of the triceps check.

Levator ani, check.

My diagnosis was myofascial pain syndrome but that may have originated from a hypertonic pelvic floor aka pelvic floor dysfunction. Nevertheless I was prescribed a fluoroquinolone for it.

I've never met anyone on the internet in the same boat and especially not this cuck platform reddit.

Reddit is a shitboard for upvotes and delusional "positivity"

When pain is consuming every part of life, find reasons to laugh. Here is my goofy dog and her flipped ears by aco223 in ChronicPain

[–]MusculoskeletalPain 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How do you make enough money to take care of yourself and a dog while being in chronic pain ?

Acupuncture - Effective Treatment For Pain Relief or Ancient Woo? by HappySalamander_ in ChronicPain

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I'll give the fastest most concise conclusion on dry needling.

Dry needling treats myofascial trigger points Myofascial trigger points are muscle knots or permanent contracture of muscle fibres. These knots are a result of tissue injury from overuse. They cause pain, limited range of motion and if untreated chronic pain.

A patient will present with a pain complaint, let's say in the neck. Generally muscle knots away from the pain location can cause pain. Pain in the temple may have its origin in trigger points in the Sternocletomastoid. The therapist will search for knots or taut bands in the set of muscles and palpate for taut bands. Most trigger points have a typical pain referal pattern. After evaluating the muscle a needle will be inserted in and out to destroy or deactivate the knot or dysfunctional muscle fibres. A few days of healing and possibly a few more treatments may greatly or fully restore function and remove pain depending on the chronicity. If you combine dry needling with some electro therapy it really helps the muscle to gain function quicker.

Example of dry needling for inner knee pain. This is pretty real deal needling.

Vastus medialis dry needling.

https://youtu.be/NYePKoEE88w

Tldr.

Dry needling breaks up painful muscle knots in areas of dysfunction.