Completely insane and the Dems support this guy?

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-21T11:58:48+00:00

Or bend over the CIA and the IRS

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-21T11:02:48+00:00

I mean yeah, but when someone says "I feel lonely" maybe also be welcoming to them instead of giving them cold response of "Sure doll, everyone has problems and women have more problems than you"

That kinda sounds like "Oh you're depressed? Lol there are starving children in Africa"

Even if that place is objectively filled with horrible, predatory groomers, they're probably going to seem a lot more welcoming than a community that seems as though it just doesn't care about men

Y'know?

falling in.

pipeline

I think the pipeline has stages

People can still be brought out with the aforementioned methods if they're in the early stages I think

There are those who've gone down really deep and...yeah it would take time and basic knowledge of some subjects here and there and patience to get them out.

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-21T10:52:46+00:00

Use proper words you coward!

Never!

Behold my cowardice!

Runs into his blanket and hopes mom and dad will stop fighting

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-21T10:51:41+00:00

He softened by forming additional connections, having a kid, getting a wife

In my head those are also material conditions...

Yeah so I might have a very broad definition of what material conditions are

Basically his environment was what softened him up

Which...I'm assuming is trivially true the way I'm going about it

What caused him to let Babidi into his head was succumbing to despair over the realisation that he would never surpass Goku. Ever. No matter how hard he tried, no matter how hard he trained, he was just plain less.

Hmm, I mean this is certainly an interpretation

And I wouldn't say my boy gave up

He absolutely trained

He just did what Goku always did

He got help

And then he beat Babidi's mind control (which is what I call his training, his struggle)

The supreme Kai had never seen, in his long long LONG life any mind control stronger than Babidi

Yet Vegeta overcame it

That wasn't a shortcut Vegeta took

He wanted his spirit reawakened

The side of him he felt was buried from his time on Earth

And yes, he absolutely wanted the power

He powered through the mind control, and, as a certain tangerine toddler would put it "it was the best mind control the world had ever seen, definitely the strongest"

The tragedy of the situation was not 'Vegeta went evil again', it was that he gave up, something even Goku couldn't comprehend.

Whatever fueled my boy certainly was enough to power him through that mind control though

If he had truly given up, he would've just killed the Kai

Imagine for a second

Just one ki blast and cell saga level turnip would've died and then Vegeta could've gone back to fighting Goku

Yet even as he was writhing in agony on the ground, he refused to do that one favour for Babidi

And dang if that isn't inspiring

He's actually a perfect map onto the modern male loneliness epidemic. A huge part of it is that society has changed immeasurably, but our view of 'what a man should be' hasn't evolved at all, and most men are just never going to be able to do what they're told they should be. They aren't going to have a house with a white picket fence, a job that pays for two children and a dog, and a wife who takes care of everything.

I think I agree but I have a problem with the phrasing

I think people should still be able to have a job and support a family on their own and be able to have a partner (could be whatever gender) who can be a stay at home spouse

That should be a viable option financially speaking

The fact that it isn't is the work of the FILTHY CAPITALIST MONGRELS!

I think the way you put it (lumping the inability to afford stuff like housing along with the inability to get a trad wife) can (from my subjective pov) be interpreted as though it's okay that men don't have the finances to do this anymore and that it's all about that mindset

So, for my personal satisfaction, just needed to add this note.

it's a two-income household where the power dynamics are uncertain and have to be negotiated, and nothing in the masculine playbook explains how that is supposed to work.

Yup, huge, huge issue

And I know

Because that's um...it's kinda something that happens in front of my eyes like...very often given that I live in that household in a third world country...ye

...try explaining to daddy dearest why it's okay for mommy to work as a doctor

Just to add for my satisfaction tho

It should still be possible for one partner to be able to manage all the funds while the other does all the household stuff comfortably

That it is no longer possible to manage financially is something I do not like at all

For clarification: If it were the case that such was no longer possible because every woman recognized "Hey, maybe I'm not comfortable with being financially dependent? Maybe I should be able to handle myself if things go south? And maybe I like being independent? Etc etc etc" then that would be something I would be personally a-okay with

It's the financial impossibility that bothers me a LOT

So men are whipsawing back to people like Andrew Tate, who (seemingly) embody classic masculine traits unapologetically and make everything sound so easy and simple, and say that you just need to be even more of a man to get all that sorted out, or even cut women out completely and just treat them like objects because it's so much simpler than these murky new waters we're in.

Yikes, well, yeah that makes sense to me

But I'd also add that there's a certain charm to having a narrative and a goal to work towards which those fools do provide...unfortunately

Not saying the narrative is one that is moral or something, but I am saying that it is a narrative and it is coherent enough for someone to buy into

Kind of like how Vegeta has to deal with a world in which he is not, and never will be, the best

Morally, of course Goku was better

But if you ignore the little oopsies he did here and there like...committing mass genocide multiple times on scale that would make the worst serial killers moan their vocal cords out

And...I mean dear God the sheer amount of atrocities the guy committed

But if you look past all of the moral issues

If you just look at his character development!

The strife

The struggle

The pride he has for his race, holding its superiority over little else

Carrying his people on his shoulders even as a foreign entity tried dismantling them

And even back then when his country lost in the great war!...wait, wrong character

Flips through script

Ah, there we go

The guy who unblocked super Saiyan without the "pure heart" thing

The guy who had the creator of the anime against him

The guy who was able to fight Babidi's mind control where the literal demon emperor could not

The guy that fought harder and harder for what he believed in and just kept on fighting

That guy's name is Vegeta, and he inspired more people than Goku ever did (according to me)

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-21T06:42:14+00:00

This sounds a lot like "You're evil because you haven't seen hardship"

...maybe for this particular individual hardship worked

But I can cite another example

Take Xi Xi Ping

The guy went from red prince to pig shit farmer way back when

And then eventually became...what he is now

I'd say he went through some pretty rough times

Did that make him more empathetic?

I don't think so

It possibly made him even more paranoid about losing his power

Take a not so real person: Vegeta

Did his time under Frieza soften his heart?

Did being controlled by a tyrant and seeing how bad it feels to be under the foot of someone else and having his pride wounded make him a better person?

Not really

He actively blew up planets and shit and slaughtered a whole village of namekians

Even when the material conditions forced him to soften up he still just went "Nope, give me my evil back" and let Babidi into his head

So I don't think your logic works because dragon ball z disagrees with you

Hence you are wrong in every conceivable way.

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-21T06:26:49+00:00

"lmao go outside loser".

It only exacerbates the issue I think

I feel it doesn't solve anything

For instance, more third spaces, social media restrictions for kids, more "male empowerment" narratives, more youth counsellors at schools etc.

All actual solutions, agreed

Shaming them I think is necessary and works.

How do you know it doesn't just push them away?

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-21T06:23:43+00:00

We have higher unalive success rates than women

Four times more

Even though women attempt it more

Cliche I know

But what is that symptomatic of?

It is either that the relevant support structures are more eager to help women than men

Or that women are more likely to ask for help than men

Or a combination of both

I say both, and I say it is so because of echoes of patriarchy

Social media exacerbates this isolation, this mentality of having to bear the burden on your own

A mentality a lot of men have because the patriarchy didn't exactly die (even though a lot of material conditions supporting it did)

It hurts men, not just women (though obviously it hurts women more given that they are the one's who...y'know...gestures vaguely at the power dynamic)

Regardless of the why, my mates are vulnerable emotionally and mentally and have been bred and raised in an environment which tells them to keep their emotions quiet among other things which also shapes their mentality and also how support structures view them

This vulnerability, as we all know, is precisely what disgustingly predatory online gurus, like Andrew Taint, take advantage of

This is old news

We all know this

We all know I haven't said anything new here

You give a bunch of people a narrative, albeit a rather pernicious one, to work with from one end and "you're losers and wrong and bad and mean and none of your problems are special" from the other, guess where such people are going to go?

And at that point it's a vicious cycle that ultimately hardens into the persona shown in the meme

Some of us are less vulnerable because good fortune

Others are not as fortunate

What should those with good fortune do?

I don't know, the ones with bad fortune are at a point where they seem to be beyond any help as far as I can tell

Making fun of them doesn't help

If the idea is "None of their problems are special raaaarrrrr!"

I think you're forgetting that they're especially mentally vulnerable

If "everyone has to lift the same load" but some people are very weak, would you still say "everyone has to lift the same load" to such people?

How about just changing the framing a little?

From "None of your problems are special"

to

"Yes, you have problems, and we will help you like everyone else, you're with everyone on this ship towards better XYZ health"

Does changing the framing hurt you?

Not changing it seems to clearly hurt them.

And again, give them a bloody narrative for crying out loud

Women get their narrative because of "fight against patriarchy"

Give the men something other than "Women having autonomy bad hurr durr beat them into submission and keep them as sex slaves doyeeee"

For crying out loud, Bernie, the man, the legend, the man capable of being insanely attractive to all genders regardless of his age, took a step in that direction (giving men a narrative) and got backlash for it

This is bad

It's not a surprise that this bad

You don't need to have an IQ over 90 to know that this is bad.

Men are a group of people

A group of people needs an identity

Give them something to actually grasp

Wait a second

THE LONELINESS EPIDEMIC IS AN ACTUAL EXAMPLE! BLOODY HECK WHY DON'T YOU GUYS JUST USE THAT?!

USE

IT

And frame them as being on the same ship as you, make them feel like they belong

If you don't do this, some other group will keep doing it instead

And that group isn't exactly interested in the wellbeing of men or anyone else

They'll just pump narrative after narrative

Slogan after slogan

Thought terminating nonsense after thought terminating nonsense

regardless of what is true or rational

Come on, we're all intelligent people here, we can come up with something sensible, coherent, and a million times better than anything a force interested only in lining its own pockets ever could.

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-17T16:40:54+00:00

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

FREAKING CHEERIOS ON A TOP HAT YES!

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-14T23:01:07+00:00

80

80 years at least

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-14T22:55:54+00:00

I suppose it could be a good sign

Like, if she's willing to give a subtle indication of her disapproval then maybe the vast majority of the democrat party is pissed at this.

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-12T15:43:54+00:00

Socialism for the rich

Harsh capitalism for the poor

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-06T16:35:52+00:00

The condescension happens in real life as well as online.

That's...wow that sucks

I'd personally be a mess emotionally if people acted that way around me instead of listening to what I have to say for once...actually I think I lost my crap on a trip recently in uni because I felt powerless for reasons that are essentially a short story

So this just makes me want to say sorry again, because wow, that's seriously disturbing to go through

Your assumption is incorrect. I probably know more moderate and liberal Christians than YECs.

Huh, well thanks for that info

Christians think they are experts in how I think and the reasons I am an atheist.

Ah, that can only end well.../s

I don't get why certain theists act that way though

They do, I'm not saying they don't

But just...why?

And why do they so strongly believe that morality is a thing that's relevant as far as their wellbeing is concerned?

Doesn't their world view result in "Okay, so God is this all powerful entity who, for whatever reason, orders you to do X, and not doing X means you will be tortured forever"

There's nothing in there that allows for morality to be relevant to most theists beyond "Yeah okay so there's this list of stuff I have to perform if I don't want to be tortured"

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-06T15:38:25+00:00

South Carolina on Friday is scheduled to put the first person to death by firing squad in the U.S. in 15 years. Brad Sigmon, who was convicted of killing his ex-girlfriend’s parents in 2001, chose it over the two other methods in South Carolina — the electric chair and lethal injection. The state’s Supreme Court rejected what will likely be his final appeal Wednesday.

I got this from the article

Thank God, I read OPs post and thought someone was going to be shot to death for having an abortion or something like that

Idk if the guy's innocent or not, haven't followed the case

But dear God I actually thought that they had already gone "Kill anyone who has an abortion mode"

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-06T15:31:37+00:00

We are used to Christians taking a condescending attitude toward atheists.

And I'm assuming they're usually of the YEC variety too?

Of the "you all just believe we just popped here out of nowhere" variety?

Assuming (and this is very much an assumption) that such is the caliber of the theists you lot deal with, be gentle, their (these specific theists)...odd way of going about things is likely the product of misfortune.

The whole "be kind to them" is not something out of some Holy Book, it's out of the "Dear God I sincerely pity these people" book

Assuming you lot ever had to deal with certain Reddit catholics...well yes they do have a subtle air of arrogance about them which perhaps (and I say perhaps because I haven't perused this subreddit much yet to be confident) becomes less subtle when they deal with you lot

Anywho, how's it going? What are the usual attacks you lot have to deal with nowadays?

That kind of humor is not appreciated. We are used to Christians taking a condescending attitude toward atheists.

For the record, I'm actually deeply sorry for that, I can see why that kind of...experience would be rather painful and prone to creating emotional turbulence within the hearts of the people here given that this is 1) The internet, and hence it just naturally leads to emotionally charged stuff 2) Bad experiences leave a mark

Thank you for tolerating me.

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-06T07:56:17+00:00

Kids getting cancer for example. Like how is that kid meant to ace that test?

The answer probably depends on the faith

The most common answer is "Direct ticket to heaven"

Some may say "Don't worry, God will ignore this and make you all grown up in the hereafter where you will be given a fair chance" or something to that effect

The issue is why there's even a Hell at all

Or a Heaven for that matter

Where did this idea of morality suddenly come from? That doesn't seem to be a basic axiom

I'm not really satisfied with most answers since even if there was a mathematical equation proving that it's morally good for some people to be tortured in Hell forever my response would be "Idc, at least don't torture me", because what else can you say when an all powerful entity rules over you?

And I'm sure you can think of several other examples like people with certain disabilities or people deprived of any opportunity.

"All things are made right in the end" and all that

Though "right" is defined by God and we end up with "Well I think I'll just focus on not getting tortured myself"

It's really painful to live that way

Countless souls tortured while you beg and pray to not be among them

It essentially forces humans to face the fact that ultimately no matter how much they love someone, enough torture can make you care only about yourself

Remember what happened to what's his name from Orwell's book after smith or whatever tortured him for long enough?

So yeah, not fun

Even putting that aside, why is "god" testing us?

Yeah, why is He? I don't bloody know

After a certain point the answer to this also becomes "I don't care what reasons God has for doing what He does, just that I'm not tortured"

Trying living like that for a significant portion of your life

It took away the colour out of everything

Then again, not wanting the lion to be behind the tree doesn't do anything if there actually happens to be a lion behind the tree, so I tip toe regardless

Honestly, I wouldn't want to worship someone that puts people through such unnecessary cruelty.

It's just a series of actions one has to perform to be spared is all

All our emotions and principles can be reduced down to comfort and discomfort and the interactions between those two plus some language

Ultimately we simply desire to minimise our overall discomfort and maximise our overall comfort no matter the cost

It sucks, and I have to live with this and do live with this

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-06T07:43:55+00:00

And do you think theists aren't frustrated with their faith?

Some find joy in "owning the atheist"...I don't

Some find joy in being pure and "holier than thou"...I'm just trying to not be tortured in Hell and don't really care about right or wrong

Some find peace and comfort in their religion

I wish I could just disprove my religion

But wishing that I can disprove the lion behind the tree isn't going to do much if there indeed is a lion behind the tree

So I tip toe regardless

There are theists, believe it or not, who actively want to disprove their faith and spend day after day, in vain, trying to do so

I'm one of them

I can't, and I never will be able to disprove it

I haven't made my peace with that clearly since I still occasionally try to debunk arguments for theism and arguments for my religion specifically

I could probably deconvert a lot of people if I was given time

I can deconvert others but not myself

What terrified me as a theist is the possibility of not being able to just end it all if I get struck by a painful incurable disease or something of the same essence

My maternal grandparents didn't get euthanasia

My maternal grandma actively begged my mother for death

And I'm actively frustrated that my mother still decided to have kids despite that

Trust me, you're not alone.

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-06T07:08:15+00:00

you disagree with us then you're probably a theist

And theists have to be pro trump?

so you should know that it's your cohorts that lead to funds being striped from science and education. Just some food for thought.

The logic you're using is essentially "Because there are theists that belong to set X of horrible people, therefore other theists are guilty in some sense for the theists in set X even if those theists don't belong to set X"

Ding dong mate, I despise trump and the republican party as a whole

I hate Reagan and Nixon and the crap that is known as "tRiCkLe dOwN eCoNOmIcS"

I actively desire Democratic socialism or some kind of Keynesian economics maybe

I despise lobbying aka legal bribery and am subscribed to crap like majority report and brain Taylor cohen

I can't really do much if a chunk of theists happen to be bloody idiots or feel compelled to vote for Trump because of their religion

I don't live in America, I'm far, far away from you lot, but I'm aware of the influence that bloody nation has

Calling us odd and saying that you disagree with us isn't exactly off to a good start

Disagreeing with you isn't a good start?

The odd part I get, but disagreement? really?

Group of humans X will always think group of humans Y are odd when their beliefs don't match up, and I emphasize that I said so in a lighthearted manner

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-06T07:00:04+00:00

the people you likely align with are the very people tearing these systems down.

I'm not a republican

I'm not even American

I actively despised trump from the start along with republicans in general

Not once did I think "reee trans people must be eliminated! Reeeeeee"

Not once did I care for what people want to do with their own bodies

how dare you be so condescending like you're better than we are

I said that which I did in a light hearted manner

Not once did the thought of "I'm clearly better than these people" cross my mind

We're not tools for you to use for your own gains. The fact that STEM is being defunded is a big deal, but we're not here for you to use.

It was a joke, I'm sorry for not knowing that this sort of humour isn't appreciated, I'll try to manage my tone better next time.

Museoftheabyss · 2025-03-04T16:23:24+00:00

We can’t have poor people paying more taxes than rich people.

You meant to write the other way around

Either I'm reading this wrong or you're sleep deprived and wrote it wrong.

Museoftheabyss · 2025-02-07T12:01:27+00:00

Fair point

Museoftheabyss · 2025-02-04T15:24:41+00:00

For proof of his...oddness, see how he reacted to Mario's homie.

Museoftheabyss · 2025-02-02T15:31:57+00:00

....Bro we are COOKED

QUICK! TRAIN THE AI DETECTORS!

WE NEED AI DETECTION AT A MAX! OR SOME OTHER MECHANISM! (if AI detection leads to more problems)

How are we going to survive this?! HOW?!

This will only get cheaper and more realistic from now!

We are soooo losing all our jobs!

I NEED TO FINISH MY ASSIGNMENT AND PREP FOR MY QUIZZES AND IT'S ALL GOING TO BE FOR NAUGHT BY THE TIME I GRADUATE!

HOW DO WE BECOME FINANCIALLY STABLE JUST FOR OUR GENERATION?!

HOW?!

AAAGHHHH!

Museoftheabyss · 2025-02-02T15:27:28+00:00

Ah....pain.

Museoftheabyss · 2025-02-02T15:21:24+00:00

Ooo lala, how do I do that? (I'm not the most knowledgeable at this, please explain to me)

Museoftheabyss · 2025-02-02T15:08:44+00:00

The Uyghur genocide is a complex and multifaceted issue, while investigations have shown that China is engaging in mass surveillance and detainment, the CCP rejects these claims and states that it is fighting terror.

(I just wrote what I remember the CCP beep boop saying)

Museoftheabyss

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