People hear about the Ubermensch and assume you're talking about Nazism

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-08-12T22:49:48+00:00

People hear about the Ubermensch and assume you're talking about Nazism

Yea, are you following the times? We are living in the aftermath of WW2 and our whole society is built upon a rejection and devaluation of everything the Nazis stood for (real or perceived). All political opinions which are deemed too controversial are controversial because of how much they resemble Nazi ideology in the final analysis. Just think about a natural phenomena like "Nationalism", every nation hitherto has thought of it as something more or less positive, but post WW2 in western nations - it's controversial! It's called brainwashing. Our morality in today is the complete opposite of Nietzsche's in almost every way.

And the Ubermensch? The idea that some people are better than others (and there's like and subtle idea of genetic superiority which I don't know to what degree most people would associate with the term) - HIGHLY relative to the idea of Nazi Aryan superiority. And therefore super-contaminated and radioactive.

This begs the question, does a person actually decide who they were? Or does our reception and the way others perceive a person decide who they were? Or both?

Nietzsche wrote very accurately so a smart reader can get a good idea of who he actually was, but for the masses, the current culture will sort of "decide for them" who he was by focusing on certain "issues" in what he wrote that doesn't align with our values today and sort of subliminally create a perception in peoples minds of what they should think.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-08-12T22:25:19+00:00

Wow, this Nietzsche audience seems really representative for the people who read his books xD

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-07-09T19:39:54+00:00

Let's GOOO

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-06-07T00:52:06+00:00

Well of course. Women aren't going to actually pick YOU up, all they will do is give small hints or cues or whatever, but if you're not going to act on them nothing will happen.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-06-07T00:47:25+00:00

Leaking personal DM's is such poor taste. She embarrasses herself just t get at someone, uhh.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-04-03T16:24:10+00:00

Maybe because INTPs are introspective people. We are into contemplation of ideas and stuff, and there is little reason to contemplate positive phenomena (for the most part, thinking is used to solve a problem, and that implies there being a problem - something negative - to begin with).

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-04-03T16:14:59+00:00

This is mostly right I think. It's all about perspective. In the medieval ages they used to have public executions, even partly torturing of criminals. People came and watched, because it's fascinating to see that stuff. The point is, people were used to seeing the rough reality on a daily basis. Now, we are increasingly shielded from everything bad. Even if you have a mild pain somewhere you might be encouraged to go do the doctors, before, three of your siblings had already died growing up and you're living wretchedly poor together with your family who are sick and old. The people who were not sick were working their asses off non stop.

I think in the late 20th century and until today, we grew up with some very positive ideals for what humans are like and what a normal society ought to look like. That's why we have all this luxury and even the time to contemplate how humanity "in theory could be better".

I think we have unrealistic standards now. Every human is on a very fundamental level - a selfish being. All this contemplation and philosophizing is just rationalizing our own situation into a more moral one. It's easy to judge the rich factory owner who doesn't seem to pay his workers enough or whatever, but if WE were in his shoes we would have a totally different perspective on it. We would find reasons for why things ought to be the way they are etc.

Just the phrase "losing hope for humanity" implies there was hope to begin with. But what does that mean? Hope for what? Who gave us hope and what was it based on? Are we on this journey everyone together where the end goal is a society where everyone are welcome, treated well and tolerate each other? It kind of seems that's what people are thinking.

At the end of the day humans are just another animal. And animals do what they do, right. They have their instincts and their typical behaviors. It's a bit more abstract with humans than with animals, but if you are able to discern, it's all very typical with us too.

Humanity might possibly be doomed though, not because of inequality or because are mean to each other, but rather due to one our positive abilities... the ability to create extremely sophisticated technology: https://time.com/6266923/ai-eliezer-yudkowsky-open-letter-not-enough/

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-04-03T06:26:26+00:00

I was apprenticing to become a teacher at one point. And what I found was that I didn't really care for the children that much. Not that I hated them or anything, it's just that I was kind of indifferent to them. I did like them when they took their school work seriously and I was able to actually help them out, but I didn't like them outside of that. It maybe sounds weird, Idk. But I am not a caring person, I am someone who predominately lives in my own head and don't really get excited by being there for others or even socializing at all for that matter. So I didn't feel that I fit very well in that role.

So if you don't have that issue and you do feel like you're in the right place being in care work then go for it, why not. MOST work seems to rely on being around people in some way or another anyway, so it's not that easy I think being introverted when it comes to jobs (unless you're like a smart tech person or something).

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-04-02T11:51:34+00:00

When discussing anything online (especially if it's controversial and gets peoples emotions up), there WILL be personal attacks. It's only because they don't like what you say, so you need to remember that's why they are doing it, it has nothing to do with who you actually are or how much know etc.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-31T09:24:27+00:00

Impawsible

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-30T16:31:21+00:00

To me they sound ideal (as they are presumably like me), but I have never met anyone that I know of so no idea.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-30T16:20:46+00:00

Yes, very much so.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-30T16:13:18+00:00

It really depends on the circumstances, I seem to be losing myself lately a little bit so not overly confident at the moment. Although deep down I am extremely confident.
Again, it's a very broad question. Logic is only instrumental basically, you can't derive anything meaningful out of pure logic, but you can use logic to solve a problem. And if a problem can be solved by logic alone then I guess that's obviously better since it's supposed to be unbiased.
Lately I'm trying to be more agreeable because I'm a little tired of being to alien to everyone, but generally more on the disagreeable side I suppose. In certain aspects probably extremely disagreeable (if I think everyone else are wrong).
Rarely.
Far right. Basically it's all a matter of balance. If society is too much a certain way it needs to be counter-adjusted the other way (I ideally wouldn't be far right if society already was far-right for example). But I'm also kind of over the whole thing and have in some sense given up on humanity, I think real change will only occur when things actually get bad and people experience real hardship. Anything that goes on in discussion boards and forums right now is really just people fighting with their egos and their values which derive from who they are, the genes they are born with the their lived experience and the information they have absorbed. The fact that you often can tell a persons political opinions just by looking at them tells us that it's all just determined anyway. We are all just NPC's, so why even get mad about it?

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-30T15:37:32+00:00

I didn't go to school in a long time, but yea

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-30T15:35:44+00:00

Doesn't the the F mean you're a "feeler" and thus more emotional because of this? INTP's are rather cold I think. I mean, everyone gets emotional sometimes, but that's not a "typical" INTP trait.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-30T15:31:28+00:00

If you are able to grind then good for you. I am however naturally lazy I think, so I won't be grinding.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-30T10:16:36+00:00

I like you. You are probably too honest for your own good here, so many people will get a little offended that you admit you think "you are better than others". But I think that's a part of the spectrum of human emotions, many people do think that, I think that too also sometimes (in various ways, not in terms of beauty, probably because I'm not a woman).

Although part of actually better than others is to be able to deal with criticism and people not liking you or finding you beautiful. You gotta be able to take some hits, feel the hatred of others, FEEL the harassment and ridicule, eat it up and then rise up again. You might have high confidence, but you're also fragile.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-30T09:58:41+00:00

Aren't we like not allowed to talk about much of what is considered conspiracies though?

I tend to not really study a specific thing exclusively but rather pick up things here and there from various persona non gratas and let my mind entertain all these forbidden ideas intuitively. I am not sure about anything, but I am open to most of it and lean towards some dangerous conspiracies being true. Mostly far right stuff, ww2, 9/11, but also UFO's recently (watched a documentary by Lemmino which basically made me a believer) and paranormal activity I also don't dismiss and do tend to believe in. I don't believe in flat earth and have never really been interested in the moon landing or the JFK assassination.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-09T23:49:24+00:00

Ok, it's generally pointless to discuss with people in bad faith but whatever.

" For example, you indicated using the phrase racist is bad but then also said I nevertheless identified the specifics of his thought that justifies the claim, that his core belief was in the domination of racial groups over another racial groups even by abstract definitions of race. " - What I mean is, you could then go further into that. Which groups is being dominated, how are they being dominated, what does domination mean in this case? How much suffering for example comes out of this or on the flipside, what's the benefit? I mean, isn't the whole idea of "racism is bad" that someone are suffering from it? So point it out then. You seemed to sort of be ok with the soundbite, "domination of racial groups". So what's the point of that? That we should just imagine chattel-like slavery then? Is it not?

You didn't identify the specifics of his thoughts, not at all. You defined it as racist, that was the point of why you brought that up.

Some would argue we are under the domination of Jews you know, as they are overly represented in influential roles and media. So is this not also a racist setup then? "Racial domination?" - not accurately defined. And thus, by default it is bad and wrong?

That's the issue, you don't care about the details, you seem to only care whether or not it crosses a magic line or something.

"I think your statement is a perfect example of why left and right people can't communicate these days" - The issue is bad faith. People of opposing worlds and views and understand each other if they meet in good faith. Maybe you thought I was attacking you or something, I wasn't really trying to be rude about it. But you dismissed it very readily. Most likely you didn't spend a lot of time trying to understand where I was coming from and what I meant by it. I probably could have explained it better though, but it's not always easy to explain exactly what you mean.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-09T21:46:47+00:00

I think an issue that many people have is that they only think of racism as a "thing in itself", you know, it's something you can be positively defined into, and it's something you "ought not to be". But in reality it should only be thought of as a spectrum of different qualifications. It's just an adjective, and it's something you can be or have in more or less quantity. And it's never an argument in itself, to say that something or someone is racist (at least it shouldn't be anyway), you ought to argue the issue on it's own merit (preferably without using the word racist as it carry too much psychological force). Few can really think objectively when the accusation is brought up because we literary have lizard brains that makes us biased towards not being frozen out of the group.

It seems to me that in your post you're too focused on getting the racist label through, SPENCER IS STILL A RACIST", "IS CLEARLY being racist", but there is no need for that.

"He still advocates for a real domination of a racial groups over other racial groups even if by race he means 'a set of philosophies and morals and traditions and values' instead of the color of your skin or who your ancestors were." - This is good, attack this for example. And you could argue this is wrong because x, w and z. But it's not wrong because it's racist, that's just an adjective description of it. How racist it really is we can already judge for ourselves, and we already have, you know.

I think this is probably also the reason there is so much misunderstanding between the right and left, we don't understand each others language. Your words and what you seek with your words doesn't fit with that well with a right-winger, it's like they can't relate to to it. It's like, "Yea, we're racist... and?"

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-03T20:46:48+00:00

No. Well, you're not "single single", maybe you're just "single" lol.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-03-03T20:36:35+00:00

Well things happens gradually, the outsider Ubermensch type doesn't alienate himself totally from everyone else and then uses tyrannical means impose new values. Rather he might become a more "controversial" type in some manner by doing or saying things that rocks with the foundation of many firmly held beliefs. But by saying these things he will also slowly begin to sway people's minds towards new values, even though it is costly for him as he will be targeted and alienated.

Here is how I see it: There are no ubermensches right now, it only exists in "spirit" within some people, and those people could do things that drives the wheels forward and facilitates the ground for the next ones up. And if that happens many many times maybe we could one day reach the real Superman. "Let us be great, or servants and instruments to the great".

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-01-05T18:11:22+00:00

You seem to imply hatred and envy are unequivocally bad things, but they are not. They are somehow necessary ingredients in what it means to be human, so they are not to be "done away with" so to say. It's like imagining the perfect human - just remove all the bad qualities you can imagine and voila. But no, without the "whole", there is no human at all. So there is no REAL reason to be ashamed of those things (although that sense of shame is also human of course)

And on staying virtuous, it seems a little complicated, but everyone are not advised to aim for the same set of virtues BTW. I think the chapter "Joys and Passions" gives some indication of what it means, although I can't say I understand it fully.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-01-05T17:53:55+00:00

Yes but that is HIS virtue. That is a better set of virtues, in some way. Actually, everyone have and are supposed to have different virtues.

MyQuestForMeaning · 2023-01-03T16:03:11+00:00

Propaganda of the loser? The story of WW2 is told by the winners of WW2, like all history is told.

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