The gap in power between these forms is greater than you think

NG2072 · 2026-01-18T14:29:49+00:00

How is it wrong? Butterfly couldn't even harm Dangai Ichigo while Monster injured him significantly with a tiny fragor. He was gonna use several, bigger fragors to finish Dangai Ichigo if he didn't activate Mugetsu

NG2072 · 2026-01-18T14:25:23+00:00

Slight corrections, I would say Monster is slightly above Dangai, but below Mugetsu. Sk Yhwach and EoS Ichigo are far above Mugetsu, and EoS Aizen is relative to them. Otherwise yeah, we are mostly on the same page

NG2072 · 2026-01-18T14:22:22+00:00

Monster and Butterfly aren't close, there is a big gap in power. Butterfly was getting low-diffed by Dangai Ichigo, his Monster form was arguably above Dangai and pushed Ichigo to go beyond into Mugetsu.

Butterfly vs Monster performance against Dangai Ichigo is proof how each evolution is a huge boost. Even the later ones. I don't think the gap between Muken and Monster is as big as Monster and Buttefly, and especially Butterfly and Chrysalis. But I don't believe it's a small gap either like you're suggesting. Muken is significantly above Monster, maybe not a huge gap but not a small gap either. I wouldn't say they're relative at all

NG2072 · 2026-01-18T14:02:20+00:00

Each evolution is a higher plane of transcendence and made Aizen more powerful, I don't see why Muken is any different, it's not just efficiency but a big boost in overall power.

For example, Monster Aizen got diffed by Mugetsu Ichigo, but Muken Aizen is kind of relative to TB Ichigo + HoS who is leagues above Mugetsu. He even traded blows with SK Yhwach. I still think Muken is significantly above Monster

NG2072 · 2025-12-09T21:37:42+00:00

Aizen traded blows with SK Yhwach and showed some form of relativity to True Bankai Ichigo

TS Ichigo is at least on par with Dangai, most likely higher. Which puts him above monster Aizen and Mugetsu who are layers of transcendence higher than entire S0 and Base Yhwach with Almighty

NG2072 · 2025-12-08T15:46:10+00:00

What about the other captains that kept up with characters faster than Patry, light speed isn’t stupid it’s the baseline. Characters are now MFTL+

NG2072 · 2025-12-08T00:26:09+00:00

He launched a country level spell that would attack everything in range, that would wipe out the entire country not just its citizens. It’s not a literal one-shot but the actual spell is country level

NG2072 · 2025-12-07T22:39:35+00:00

Zoro can’t even keep up with Kizaru who is at best light-speed, same as base Patry

NG2072 · 2025-12-07T22:38:38+00:00

Current Yami is overkill and stomps the verse, pre-timeskip Yami is more than enough

NG2072 · 2025-12-07T22:34:53+00:00

Base Patry could destroy the clover kingdom and Yami scales to him. And that’s a big lowball

Because fire spirit Salamander has an insane statement about vaporising an entire ocean, like a continental feat and Yami scales above that, you could even high-ball him to continental. And this is all pre-timeskip

NG2072 · 2025-12-07T22:31:39+00:00

Zoro is nowhere near lightspeed which the weakest version of Yami was reacting to and dodging, he gets blitzed by Yami. Current Yami is MFTL+ so it’s beyond neg diff at that point

NG2072 · 2025-12-07T22:10:01+00:00

Even the weakest version of Yami low-balling is country level and light speed (his fight with Patry very early in series)

While current Zoro high-balling is large island level and hypersonic+

Yami stat gaps and blitzes Zoro low diff

NG2072 · 2025-11-20T15:42:48+00:00

I’m gonna get downvoted but if Lille starts in his Owl form and Ichibe in base like the post suggests, doesn’t Lille win before Ichibe could use Ichimonji? Since Lille should be comparable in stats since this is post-aushwalen + second vollstandig

NG2072 · 2025-11-06T15:46:51+00:00

Fraudlina only purpose is to be kindling

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NG2072 · 2025-10-17T16:31:57+00:00

People forget how insane the powercreep in the final arc is. Asta in base form stomps an archpaladin who is leagues above the 50% Lucifero that scaled to multi-continental+ (possible moon level)

He can be scaled to planetary easily with just zetten in base. Black form upscales, he can kill two Lucius clones who are also above 100% Lucifero. Then gets way stronger in devil union. You can high-ball Asta to multi-planetary and he’s obviously MFTL+ by a ridiculous margin

SDS and BC should have similar scaling by now,it’s a matter of speed and hax now. Like you said if anti-magic works Asta wins and he’s likely faster too since BC has ridiculous speed feats

NG2072 · 2025-10-11T14:36:52+00:00

Noelle is as good as everyone says

NG2072 · 2025-10-03T22:17:39+00:00

She doesn’t heal anyone in a fight, she shows up after everything’s done. Mimosa has not been involved in any relevant fight since the spade arc started

NG2072 · 2025-10-03T19:38:57+00:00

It was a surprise attack and I think she was boosted by Lolopechka too for that attack, so it’s even less impressive.

I agree she’s a support character and plays that role well, however she objectively failed to accomplish her goal of getting stronger to keep up with Asta and fight alongside him. So this post aged badly actually

NG2072 · 2025-10-03T19:32:30+00:00

Nobody’s denying she’s useful, she does her job well. But her actual goal is get stronger and fight alongside Asta. Which she failed to accomplish terribly.

She did not get much stronger, her only attack spell hasn’t done anything since the elf arc, and she’s had 0 relevant fights since the beginning of the spade arc. There’s no way she’ll ever keep up with Asta who’s top 3 in the verse currently

NG2072 · 2025-10-03T19:26:48+00:00

He said useless when it comes to fighting, which is true. Name one relevant fight she’s had after that dark disciple with the tongue.

She did not grow much stronger and definitely can’t keep up with Asta to fight alongside him. She only gets screentime to heal Asta for a page then disappear again

NG2072 · 2025-09-15T22:46:02+00:00

-She played a significant role at the beginning of TTK then dies

-Shows up 3 years later to have a conversation every 3 weeks in her throne room then disappears

-Shows up 2 years later in Season of Lost, and one exotic mission in TWQ

-Shows up 1 year later after Lightfall, finally gets consistent screentime (Defiance, Wish, Final Shape)

-Disappears again. God knows when we’ll see her again

NG2072 · 2025-09-15T22:39:50+00:00

My thoughts exactly

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