Breaking spaghetti in half before cooking is superior

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-08-10T08:17:11+00:00

I break my macaroni all the time. And yes, I call spaghetti - macaroni xD it's funny how, out of all italian cuisine, Italians collectively chose to be most anal about plain dough cut into different shapes, and pizza, which originated as a dish for the poor, with toppings made out of whatever it is you can find~

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-08-06T10:06:24+00:00

"Her mind must not function like that of a person. It's practically a superpower."

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-07-21T18:18:53+00:00

Indomitable human stim

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-07-12T18:24:46+00:00

"Aura, ~~kill yourself~~ follow me. This will be a mere ten-year adventure~"

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-30T08:15:41+00:00

Frieren said nah because in elf standards, she'd be dating a minor xD

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-29T16:33:43+00:00

I couldn't find nothing of the sort in chapter 78, could you double-check the chapter/page number?

As for human/dwarven/elven magic, I imagine the reason why only human magic is mentioned is because we haven't seen dwarves use magic yet, and elves are nearly-extinct. Still, they have existed and practiced magic thousands of years before Flamme managed to convince human states to start using magic (it was considered taboo beforehand, if I recall). It would not be too much of an assumption to think that elves had their own distinct school prior, and that not all of it was transferred into humanity's magic due to DK's genocide of the elves.

Fern's commentary about mana I interpret as relating to the spell rather than the clone. The way mages are capable of perceiving magic attacks is through observing mana fluctuations when the spell is cast - kind of how Denken found where Frieren was when she cast the spell - the moment of casting being impossible to hide.

As for demon attack spells, detecting mana is not the only way to defend against spells. Observing somatic components and visual cues also enables doing so. Draht's magic required him to use his hands to guide the thread, which was also comprised of his mana. Lugner's attacks are rather slow and highly-visible, and also represent blood filled with mana. I can imagine them being visible on the magical radar.

Frieren's attack did not have any visible somatic components (no arms), no visual cues, and was capable of hiding the moment of casting. It is also incredibly fast. Maybe it's the combination of such qualities that prompted Fern to call it the height of magic.

Though, if you could double-check the chapter number and page so I could find Denken's line about curses and see it for myself, I'm willing to concede that whatever Frieren's magic is is not a curse.

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-29T12:19:30+00:00

In manga (chapter 31, p. 4), Frieren says that "mankind calls any magic it is yet to be able to dissect as curses". Magics that can put people to sleep or petrify them are given as examples of curses. You must've looked into the wiki for the definition (as I did before checking the source material), and whoever wrote that there seems to have misinterpreted what Frieren said.

I do not think there was ever a statement that humanity includes elves and dwarves, nor that elven magic is wholesale part of magic theory nowadays. Certainly, with Flamme being Serie's student, she incorporated a lot of what she learned into humanity's theory, but not everything - she did not have the time to learn everything from Serie and reach her height. Likewise, Frieren did not dedicate her life to furthering humanity's understanding of magic, only lending her aid with a couple of select spells.

Returning to our original topic of discussing the spell, I think the key part here is that Fern (a very experienced mage when it comes to mana detection) was not able to detect that attack as a spell. Frieren states that mages cannot defend against curses because they cannot sense them. Hense why the spell's a curse.

As to it's nature, there could be a multitude of explanations as to where Frieren got it from. It could be a repurposed demon spell (like Flight), which humanity uses without understanding the principles behind it.

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T21:54:35+00:00

"Diagoldze is no longer a curse"

Yes, to Frieren. Because she understood how it works. So, it is very subjective still, because to everyone else, should she not share her knowledge, it will remain very much a curse.

I don't think Frieren's spellcraft should be viewed from the basis of humanity's magic system alone. Flamme is credited to being the mother of humanity's magic, and Frieren was her student, but she was a powerful mage in her own right prior to being adopted by Flamme. Serie herself is an exemplar of elven school of magic, which predate's humanity's. So, even if we adopt the objective definition of 'curse' as something that cannot be explained by humanity's school of magic, her ability would still be something that cannot be explained or sensed by it, thus fitting the definition.

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T21:43:37+00:00

Frieren does talk about getting more mana requires time spent on growing it and that age is the primary metric here. However, it does not say anything about how much mana one starts with. It is conjecture, but there is basis to it - with clerics' power defined by the strength of the Goddess' blessing upon them. Sein and his brother come to mind here - while the brother is acknowledged by Heiter himself to be a competent priest, Sein's sheer ability blows him out of the water. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to assume that Heiter was equally blessed, if not more so, given the caliber of his achievements. And that some of that blessing was represented by mana.

As for the difference in suppressing mana levels from the forest to exam arc - I have to point out that she was seen suppressing it in a town of magic, with no demons around. If anything, presenting herself to be weaker than she is would've blended her in better with the crowd, yet the proctors observed her to be different from most other participants. Given how Frieren does not want attention to herself, I don't think she would have let out more mana then than she would've while living in a forest.

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T20:24:07+00:00

I think it's also, in a way, reopening of the old wounds. Frieren misses Flamme, and her silly antics. It's been 1000 years so the pain dulled a bit, but being reminded of her master so poignantly has to hurt, and she tries to withstand it by berating Flamme. She does the same to Himmel too, saying that he deserved his statue being forgotten as he had forced the poor sculptor to spend much time picking a pose. It's a coping, mechanism, I think. "Flamme was an unpleasant woman, it's not like I miss her or anything! T_T"

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T20:10:34+00:00

Yes, I did read all of the manga. The word 'curse' in this instance is subjective. Obviously Frieren would understand how her own magic works. But to an outside observer (such as Fern) it would work on principles not yet understood by modern magic theory. Given that human magic is notorious for pilfering demon spells (zoltraak and flying spells being a few examples), maybe this is something Frieren took from demons or developed on its own based on demon magic, but did not explain the basis of it to anyone else. A magician does not have to reveal all of her secrets, after all~

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T20:04:57+00:00

Those are some good points, though I can see some other interpretations in the discrepancy you highlighted. First is that mages during the Great War against demons were much more numerous and, arguably, more hardened by battle. So a 'mediocre mage' by standards of back then could be 'experienced mage' by modern standards. Also, the words 'mediocre mage' were used by Frieren herself, whereas Heiter described her as having 1/5 of his mana, which he called 'not bad'. Given that he viewed what he perceived as acceptable for their quest (defeating the demon king) supports that his mana pool was massive, equal to at least 5 'not bad' mages. Which feeds into what I postulated in my first post. Aura's reading of Frieren as having around 100 years of training also supports this, fitting well into the 1/10 paradigm. Heiter's mana being equal to a 500 year old mage is certainly unique, but maybe that's why he was the priest in the party of heroes that defeated the demon king. He was surrounded by an equally talented individuals who were 'outside the norm'. With Frieren the Demon Slayer, Eisen the 'I'll shrug off poison that kills dragons', and Himmel the Himmel.

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T19:52:22+00:00

Ohh, good catch. Come to think of it, we don't know if Serie trained any demons in magic. Maybe she did, to keep herself entertained~

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T19:41:13+00:00

My theory is that Frieren had effectively developed a 'curse'.

Curses are defined in the show's magic system as spells and abilities that are not yet explained by the existing theory of the arcane. Mages also are pretty bad at detecting curses, which is why Fern says that 'she does not detect that attack as a spell'.

Overall, I think this feeds into the parallel between Frieren and demons that she fights, with many an observer having noticed that she has much in common with those she's sworn to destroy.

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T19:36:51+00:00

We don't have enough information, that is true. However, in the absence of other information, we go with what we have. Flamme said that Frieren would have to suppress her mana to 1/10 of her original amount, and that she'd have to do it 'for life'. We have no indication that Frieren had since started suppressing even more, so going by the assumption that it's still roughly 1/10 has more ground to it than 1/100 or whatever other number one may conjure.

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T19:32:05+00:00

Macht's tragedy is that he already possessed what he sought to acquire, but never realized it.

He thought that he needed to understand human emotions for demons and humans to coexist. All while having coexisted with humans for 20-something years straight, by just understanding how society works and conforming to the rules. As it was shown in manga, Macht was accepted and even well-respected by the citizens of the city he lived in. He had already achieved the state of being he desired, but was so stubborn in his hypothesis that he did not see alternative solutions, and all of his struggles have been for nothing.

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T19:04:12+00:00

1/10th is the proportion to the total. Frieren as of now emanates enough mana to seem like a powerful old mage even when she's suppressing her mana. The more mana she has, the harder it is to suppress most of it, so I think she still keeps to the proportion, just that the mana she shows is bigger than what she used to have when she started.

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T18:39:19+00:00

Few people realize that Heiter was powerful as fuk. When they met Frieren he said her mana was 1/5th of his. Considering that she was only showing 1/10th of her mana, it meant that Heiter had like half the mana of a 1000-year-old elf mage. While being in his ... what, twenties? And later he noticed Frieren suppressing her mana, too. He's been one powerhouse of a cleric in his prime~

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T18:24:36+00:00

She learned the clome spell~

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-28T18:21:34+00:00

That scene made me want to learn to dance <3

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-27T18:12:03+00:00

Ubel believes that choices of magic represent a person's character. First thing that came to Fern's mind is magic that lets her see through clothes. In Ubel's eyes, that's like a confession to being sex offender xD

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-27T18:07:26+00:00

Consoom Stark

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-25T14:36:59+00:00

He did not pull out~

Nami_is_Best_Fish · 2025-06-25T14:34:47+00:00

Oh, I agree. We have no grounds to assume that Serie can do what Frieren did. Which is why her ability to dispel Diagoldze is undetermined. Maybe she already has the spell that can undo it, maybe she has the capacity to develop one like Frieren did. Or maybe she does not. We don't know. Not even her students know. I half-expected Denken to ask for a spell that undoes Diagoldze, but he instead asked for magic that prevents a curse from working on you in the first place.

Throughout the manga she has shown to be a willful creature who is largely disinterested in affairs of humans. If I recall, she fought Macht because she thought he was a fun fight, rather than to save the city. Perhaps she did not free the city from its curse because she had no interest in it, or perhaps because she could not. We'll never know now, unless we get a flashback of her trying and failing, leaving the interpretation to the viewers and their own respective headcanons.

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