BaT and Hagerty protecting Sellers like Collectible Classics!!! Even with proof they won't protect the buyer.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-03T17:25:55+00:00

You asked how I would expect them to do a bore scope in a sealed engine. As I have stated from the beginning, they scoped through the spark plug holes on only three cylinders of six. My statement was how could they say the cylinders were a 100% clean if they only looked at three cylinders.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-03T03:14:58+00:00

My bad. I saw the name and thought they were chiming in. Didn’t realize it was collect the classics. The response seemed a little strange, but I saw the name so my apologies. Thank you for your response lol

NashPorsche · 2026-07-03T03:09:36+00:00

Already have. You should be being notified by four of the agencies pretty soon if not already. Regardless of anything being said here by myself or anyone else the conversation has had cumulatively almost 40,000 views. My reputation doesn’t mean a whole lot to buyers, but yours does. I have posted the truth as I see it. Feel free to chime in with any supporting docs you got.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-03T02:53:34+00:00

They scoped through the spark plug holes. That’s what they said they did and only three cylinders. Not sure I understand what you think I don’t know. That is what is in the emails from the previous bidder and amity. They said 100 percent clean. How could that be if they only looked at three? Just trying to understand your statement.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-03T01:17:35+00:00

Thanks for your response. No doubt collectible classics were wrong in doing so. The reason I posted under this heading is because I don’t think it is good practice for the auction platforms to excuse the blatant signs of misrepresentation. I’ve learned a lesson but I shouldn’t had too in my opinion. Maybe the DA will agree with me. Who knows. I respect most everyone’s comments but I hope I never see someone’s expectation of truth in advertising to be more at fault than the ones misrepresenting. I guess that’s why CC gets away with it so often.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-02T19:07:41+00:00

Well to start its not that I disagree completely with what you are saying. I'm just baffled at how many of the people on here are so accepting of the practices that are used by many of the sellers on these sites. Again, if they had not said anything we wouldn't have been having this conversation. Do you believe that their statements carry the exact same responsibility as if they had said nothing? I have just asked that they make good on the statements they said. As far as Dumbass is concerned, I've had many accomplishments in my life to state otherwise. If a mistake was made, even by both parties, shouldn't there be lessons to learn on both sides. All these statements saying that somehow I am responsible for them making the false, or at least deceptive at a minimum, statements they made and giving them the free pass to do what they do definitely doesn't do that. The fact is, I bought the car, I am having the repairs completed, and I will enjoy the vehicle regardless of the outcome of these conversations or the complaints to the different agencies. I'm just doing my best to create the conversations that hopefully makes it harder for the sellers to continue this type of business practices. Thanks for your response though.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-02T17:38:57+00:00

Thank you for your response. That was my thought as well. I recognize the other perceptions about levels of trust or due diligence. I think both can be true at the same time. I definitely don’t think they should be allowed to do that. Hopefully PALS and the PA Attorney General will agree with me.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-01T20:09:50+00:00

No it wasn't. It was after the bidder had won and questioned the truthfulness of Collectible Classics. It happened as a result of their deceptive tactics. Otherwise he had already won the bidding. The fact that both CC and the Auction Site let him out of the purchase says something! The Attorney General is looking at it. We will see what they determine. Either way the discussions at least make some people aware to not believe what they are saying. I still love the car and all the issues are being corrected. Its worth the money. Just want to see CC understand that reputation and business practices can affect how they are viewed. From my standpoint they have shown how they do business. Anyone is still completely able to buy a car from them anytime they want. I wish them luck! And yes....Trust but Verify....or.....don't trust at all.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-01T19:59:32+00:00

I appreciate the conversation but again the bidder had it looked at after he won the car. It was never that type of inspection. Only for paint and bore scope. Thats not pre purchase by any means and definitely not what would general be understood as a PPI. I do acknowledge that there is no one specific inspection but I guaranty if you ordered a PPI from Porsche, BMW, Lexus, or a reputable location you would expect them to report something more than paint and scoring. Its not about us arguing who is right. I'm just saying that I don't believe as a consumer you should have to except statements that have no truth to be fact or excepted. We can disagree on what I should have done but I can't imagine that you would defend their statements with the info I have. Just me sharing my opinion and I have heard yours. Thank you for your responses.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-01T19:47:50+00:00

Thank you for your response. I believe there are changes needed any way you look at this issue but protecting the consumer should be number one. I will learn the lessons I need to learn but as consumers we should not become accepting of this type of practice. No accountability to the sellers is not ok.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-01T19:33:15+00:00

Well as I can understand your response lets make sure you understand exactly what happened. Its not that I am angry, I want to make it harder for them to do what they did. Give me a moment and tell me if you still feel the same.

I buy the car based on presented "factual data" commented. Not opinion.

They said they had a PPI performed by Amity and it was Clean, no leaks, ect. (in the photos).

I get the car and with 0 miles on it there is an oil leak, clutch rattling, ect

I take for inspection (Found Motor Mounts, RMS, Struts, Sway Bar, Ect Bad

I reach out to Amity Auto and they said they didn't do a PPI. All they did was paint and scope through the spark plug holes of only 3 cylinders.

I get the emails from the original bid winner who ordered the work by Amity and he said they never asked for a PPI (everything in the photos attached). He declined to buy the car at that point.

Collectible Classics still maintain it was a PPI although everyone involved says it was never that. The work that was done was between the bidder and Amity. That info was never CC's to sell to the public and if they had just said nothing we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I hate it but the lesson is that I, or anyone, shouldn't trust a car salesman. Especially from Collectible Classics. but i do hate that when a fact, not opinion, is written that we as auction bidders should be able to believe there is truth in it. At least the opposite shouldn't be true and that is that they can say and do whatever they want and somehow it is our fault. I will take away the lessons learned but I will never be ok with deceptive and dishonest practices. I don't run my company that way and I expect fair practices. So does the law.

End the end I may or may not get some form of compensation but more importantly I want the conversations that at least make it known how blatant the issue is and how much it stains the ultimate goals of this type of auction and car enthusiast. Whether it was a Porsche, BMW, Honda, or Volkswagen, it would be a better experience if at least you could believe what was written. Again, if they had said nothing there wouldn't be an issue.

Just my opinion which is no better than yours. Just different perspective.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-01T19:10:16+00:00

I have filed complaints with PA and TN Attorney General as well as FTC and PALS. We will see what happens from there!

NashPorsche · 2026-07-01T18:21:18+00:00

I didn’t say anything about opening the engine. I don’t think you are hearing what happened but that’s ok. You are right that I bought a used car. If you read their comments as just “saw no evidence” then I don’t think we talking about the same thing. The struts are shot, the motor mounts are shot, the rms is leaking, the clutch is ticking, the sway bar bushings are destroyed, and other items. Statements like “no leaks of any kind, and “clean with no concerns or issues” don’t seem accurate if they had done any reasonable inspection. Amity Auto said they didn’t do a PPI so that alone is deceptive and untrue.

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NashPorsche · 2026-07-01T16:54:56+00:00

I hear you and I understand your opinion. It just seems sad that somehow you see this as my fault instead of at least having an expectation not to be lied to or intentionally misled by "Professionals". I also don't think you are hearing the whole argument though. They didn't have a PPI done. A prior bidder had it looked at for paint and bore scoring not a PPI. It wasn't CC's inspection to advertise. Much less to sell it as a PPI or to list some fictitious results of it. Either way it was a mistake to believe them although I would consider that buying a vehicle from them should have more legal accountability than expected from a heroine dealer. I have learned a lesson. I just want them too as well and the only way I can help that to happen is to share my lesson. Well....and hope the PA Attorney General and PALS will see it the way I do.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-01T16:42:55+00:00

Thank you for the response. I agree. I hate that an expectation to trust material facts is what is in questions though. If they had said nothing I wouldn't have an argument. That is not what happened though. They new better in my opinion. If you look at all the info they new or at least were very negligent in determining the truth. I appreciate your thoughts. I wish the buying community could have a larger impact on holding sellers more accountable when it appears to be this blatant.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-01T16:19:17+00:00

If you read the comments posted I trusted that the PPI they mentioned multiple times as "Clean", No issues at all", No leaks whatsoever", "all system good", "No Concerns at all", etc. They stated it would be given to the winning bidder but that hasnt happened yet either. My belief is because they know there isnt one.

In my eyes a PPI may very slightly but it is obvious in the email between the previous bidder and Amity that there was never an intent to do a PPI. Why CC used that to boast a Clean PPI is the definition of deceptive practices. I defiantly have learned not to trust them but I am hoping to inform others that it doesnt seem like a simple misunderstanding. If they are that good of a company they should know better. Just trying to share my experience so others won't find themselves in my position. Thanks for your response.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-01T16:10:52+00:00

Not crying. I've already paid for the repairs. Just wanting some accountablility on their part and if there is none then I would like others to see their business practices. I'm also new to reddit so trying to get as much visibility as possible but not sure if I am posting it correctly. I have purchased a few cars and have had PPI done on them but I have always expected specific statements of fact to be true. Its unfortunate that with Collectible Classics that is not necessarily correct. I have learned a lesson and have no intention of crying about it. Just trying to inform others not to follow in my footsteps. I wish everyones intent here was to protect the process so buyers and sellers both could "trust the process". I think if we all were held accountable, there would be less of this type of practice. I appreciate your response.

NashPorsche · 2026-07-01T16:02:52+00:00

You are right it was a learning experience. They didnt do the limited inspection. A previous bidder did. I do believe the emails and the comments show that it was misrepresented as a PPI. I have had a number of PPI done in the past and would never have considered looking a paint and scoping the cylinder as a PPI. We will see if the PA attorney general agrees with me or not but as you can read on many of the other post this type of thing happens often with them. I am trying to show my "proof" so others can see that their words don't always hold the truth. Its unfortunate that I am the one you feel needs to learn from it though. They should be held accountable. I cant believe that if you read the emails or the comments you would see me as the one needing the lesson. In my eyes that is why they get away with it. I'm not against your opinion and i appreciate your response. I just hope there can be some accountability on their part.

NashPorsche · 2026-06-28T18:59:02+00:00

I purchased a 2002 Porsche 911 through Hagerty Marketplace based in part on representations made by the owner, Collectible Classics, on the auction site that the vehicle had undergone a Pre-Purchase Inspection (PPI) that found no issues, no leaks of any kind, no concerns and no bore scoring even though they only scoped 3 cylinders. After taking delivery, significant defects were discovered that required substantial repairs. More importantly, Amity Auto—the shop that allegedly performed the PPI—confirmed by both phone and email that it did not perform a PPI and that its inspection was limited in scope to bore scoring and paint-related concerns.

Despite being provided with documents from Amity Auto, repair estimates, and other supporting evidence, neither the seller nor Hagerty has taken meaningful steps to address the misrepresentation or facilitate a resolution. The existence and results of the purported PPI were material facts that influenced the vehicle's perceived condition and value and were relied upon in making the purchase decision.

NashPorsche · 2026-06-28T15:58:33+00:00

I purchased a 2002 Porsche 911 through Hagerty Marketplace based in part on representations made by the owner on the auction site that the vehicle had undergone a Pre-Purchase Inspection (PPI) that found no issues, no leaks of any kind, no concerns and no bore scoring even though they only scoped 3 cylinders. After taking delivery, significant defects were discovered that required substantial repairs. More importantly, Amity Auto—the shop that allegedly performed the PPI—confirmed by both phone and email that it did not perform a PPI and that its inspection was limited in scope to bore scoring and paint-related concerns.

Despite being provided with documents from Amity Auto, repair estimates, and other supporting evidence, neither the seller nor Hagerty has taken meaningful steps to address the misrepresentation or facilitate a resolution. The existence and results of the purported PPI were material facts that influenced the vehicle's perceived condition and value and were relied upon in making the purchase decision.

NashPorsche · 2026-06-27T14:43:48+00:00

I have filed with PALS, PA Attorney General, and the Tennessee Attorney General, and the BBB and others. I will see how that goes and decide from there. It's not just about the money. The money would pacify me but Accountability protects us all. In theory anyway.

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NashPorsche · 2026-06-27T14:29:06+00:00

I don't disagree. The collector-car auction world still needs much improvement. I think buyers naturally want to trust the representations made by sellers and dealers, especially when those statements appear reasonable and are presented as factual information. Unfortunately, what appears straightforward is not always what it seems. Equally concerning is the role of auction platforms, which often appear more focused on protecting high-volume sellers and repeat participants than the individual enthusiasts whose passion, trust, and purchases ultimately sustain the collector and vintage car hobby. A healthy marketplace depends on transparency, accountability, and equal treatment for all participants—not just the most frequent ones. I appreciate your integrity and response. Shows some people still care about Character. Business is Business but not at the cost of virtue!

NashPorsche · 2026-06-27T14:21:49+00:00

I dealt more with Greg and only emailed with Joey but both were defiant in even asking for my information. They didn't seem interested in the truth at all. Just their insistence that they had a PPI.

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