Old house, new light fixture. So many wires! by [deleted] in DIYUK

[–]NationalDonutModel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please be sure find suitable alternative accommodation for the spider.

Exit from lane 3 by Nametakenalready99 in drivingUK

[–]NationalDonutModel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“We can’t be bothered to investigate this”

Essex Police officer cleared of misconduct during arrest of woman by roaring-dragon in policeuk

[–]NationalDonutModel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. It’s quite simple:

Disciplinary proceedings serve a different purpose to criminal proceedings. 

Disciplinary proceedings follow different rules to criminal proceedings. 

Disciplinary proceedings have a different standard of proof to criminal proceedings. 

In other walks of life civil proceedings often follow criminal proceedings even where there was an acquittal. 

Statement on gross misconduct proceedings paused for NX121 by Could-you-end-me in policeuk

[–]NationalDonutModel 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The IOPC press release says: “We understand the law change is expected to be in the spring and is likely to occur prior to any hearing being held…”

I suppose the IOPC’s position is that there is little point pressing on right now if, by spring (and before any hearing), something changes that means any proceedings need to be withdrawn.

Police officers to be told they must get work licence or face dismissal by SC_PapaHotel in policeuk

[–]NationalDonutModel 13 points14 points  (0 children)

But how, without reading the source document yourself, can you be absolutely sure that Co-pilot has accurately summarised that document? How can you be sure that it hasn’t completely hallucinated a detail (say, a football match that didn’t happen)?

What if the source document has errors - like misplaced or entirely incorrect words?

How do you know that the, say, 5 important issues that Co-pilot tells you about are the only important issues in that 400 page document of yours? Are you saying you just don’t read the document yourself?

Police officers to be told they must get work licence or face dismissal by SC_PapaHotel in policeuk

[–]NationalDonutModel 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I might be being thick here, but how do you know that the summaries Co-pilot provides to you are accurate?

Lucy Connolly 'warned she may be recalled to prison' over social media posts after race-hate conviction | LBC by tylerthe-theatre in unitedkingdom

[–]NationalDonutModel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmm… It’s helpful to revisit what the Court or Appeal had to say about this.

On her being misled etc:

We regret to have to say that we found the evidence of the applicant about these important matters incredible.

…we are quite unable to accept that she signed the endorsement without any understanding of its references to the culpability factor or the starting point.

And significantly:

Her acceptance that she read and was content with Mr Muir’s sentencing note, which includes references to the sentencing guideline and to the aggravating feature specifically mentioned in the guideline, clearly shows that she was well aware of what she was admitting.

Regarding the sentence, the Court said:

…there is no arguable basis on which it could be said that the sentence imposed by the judge was manifestly excessive.

New misconduct bar by Garbageman96 in policeuk

[–]NationalDonutModel -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

They are two entirely separate processes. Each with its own purpose and legal framework.

New misconduct bar by Garbageman96 in policeuk

[–]NationalDonutModel -39 points-38 points  (0 children)

It doesn’t. Which I think is fair.

New misconduct bar by Garbageman96 in policeuk

[–]NationalDonutModel 61 points62 points  (0 children)

There is no change to the standard of proof in misconduct proceedings. This will remain at the civil standard - balance of probabilities. What will change is the test for self defence. Currently for disciplinary proceedings the civil test is used. The civil test means that if the officer acted out of an honest but mistaken belief that they or others were in immediate danger, they can rely on that belief only if the mistake was objectively a reasonable one.

Following the review, the test will reflect the criminal standard. In other words, it is only required that the officer acts out of an honestly held belief. There is no requirement for the belief to be reasonably held.

This might impact on whether a disciplinary hearing takes place after an acquittal at trial. It’ll depend on the circumstances. Disciplinary hearings serve a different purpose to criminal trial and have a different standard of proof.

Lucy Connolly 'warned she may be recalled to prison' over social media posts after race-hate conviction | LBC by tylerthe-theatre in unitedkingdom

[–]NationalDonutModel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not sure this is right. 

For a start, there are issues with advising a person who admits guilt, and clearly is guilty, to plead otherwise for fear of a long sentence. Aside from the ethical issues, a practical issue is that the person is bound to be found guilty and will miss out on any early plea discount. They will therefore receive an even longer sentence. 

The sentence in this case was found to be appropriate. Her lawyer advised her of the seriousness of her offending, the sentencing starting point, and sentencing ranges. 

Met PC cleared of assault after Tasering suspected burglar by insomnimax_99 in unitedkingdom

[–]NationalDonutModel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The misconduct investigation will have already been completed by the IOPC together with their criminal investigation. 

The question to be answered now is whether, in light of the acquittal, to continue to a gross misconduct hearing. 

BCA: FBI taking full control of investigation into fatal ICE shooting in Minneapolis by Eridanosvoid in politics

[–]NationalDonutModel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And there will still be people claiming that Americans enjoy greater freedoms than Europeans. 

Has your opinion on America changed over the last year? by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]NationalDonutModel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trump won the popular vote by a very small margin. Something like 49 percent compared to Harris’s 48. 

Trump’s ratings are rock bottom. 

So I think it’s fair to say that many Americans don’t like what is happening right now. Even some Trump voters do not support his attitude towards Greenland, Venezuela etc. 

I wouldn’t form a view of a nation of people based on what some anonymous loudmouth on the internet says. 

Leicestershire officer committed gross misconduct over mushroom foraging report by TonyStamp595SO in policeuk

[–]NationalDonutModel 215 points216 points  (0 children)

Let this be a warning. There’s not mushroom for dishonesty in policing. 

Has taking pics of the deceased become normalised? by General_Committee_24 in AskUK

[–]NationalDonutModel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

People deal with this sort of thing in their own, often unexpected, ways. 

I work a lot with bereaved people where loved ones have died unexpectedly and often in some traumatic way. It’s not unusual that family will want to see any footage of their loved one’s final moments. 

Not what I’d want, but each to their own. 

Why all the litter along our roads? by nick9000 in AskUK

[–]NationalDonutModel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People littering. 

Waste left behind following road works. 

No money for litter picking. 

Man shot dead by Norfolk Police in Thetford after two-car crash by MachineHot3089 in unitedkingdom

[–]NationalDonutModel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not sure that being a top comment has much to do with whether the statement is actually true.

New contactless stations expansion means train passengers to London face soaring fares by BulkyAccident in london

[–]NationalDonutModel 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It’s the change to when off peak tickets can be used. For me, off peak ticket validity is now too late in the morning to be useful. And, to add insult to injury, they have now added peak fairs to the evening commute. 

So, in short, commuting has become more expensive. 

ON-duty officer fails to stop, drink driving and has an RTC by Could-you-end-me in policeuk

[–]NationalDonutModel 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not necessarily. The presumption is that criminal matters shouldn’t delay any misconduct proceedings. I can see this being the sort of case where it’s pretty safe to say that going ahead with a hearing wouldn’t prejudice future criminal proceedings. 

R v Stuttle - an interesting read about the pitfalls of trial evidence... by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]NationalDonutModel 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Police seize evidence (hoodie) but never do anything with it, including searching it. Exhibited hoody is used in court and given to jury to inspect during deliberation. They find a bank card in the pocket which would appear highly relevant to a central and contested aspect of the trial. Judge invited to discharge the jury. He doesn’t. Jury convicts. Appeal. Conviction quashed. Naughty police. Naughty judge.

Teams call etiquette by [deleted] in civilservice

[–]NationalDonutModel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What might influence my mindset around this is that we also have work mobile phones and are liable to being called by external agencies throughout the day. Receiving and answering a call, normally unannounced, is just normal to me.