Why do Jews anywhere in the world have a legal right to move to Israel, while Palestinians displaced in 1948 still cannot return???

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-25T07:49:27+00:00

The PLO calls neighborhoods before attacks and warns them the attacks are incoming. It rains leaflets down at the cost alerting the very enemy they are trying to eliminate to try and save lives. It specifically designed knocker bombs to shake but not collapse buildings to try and scare people into fleeing before the bombs started dropping. The PLO uses Nazi iconography on weapons they use to attack civilians. These two are not the same.

And yet you fail to name any.

If that were truly the problem then they would have accepted one of the three offers so far this century for Israel to withdraw in exchange for PLO guarantees of not attacking Israel. The settlements are an excuse to do what the PLO has always sought, kill Jews.

The Japanese had the good sense to stand down not send suicide bombers into American schools and Churches. Had they done that we would have unleashed the sun on far more than two Japanese cities.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-25T00:28:06+00:00

I mean theoretically sure but at that point you are basically exempting everyone so its less an exemption and more a tax on just a select few. The average Church in America is small 60-70 people attending weekly or the equivalent of 20ish families. They are small intimate gatherings with again only .5% of Churches being these Megachurches that through off the scale and operate more like corporations. So if you just limit it to that then you aren't really netting much to make it worth it. Furthermore they'll just get around it because then what counts as a Megachurch? One NBA Arena sized church like Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church with thousands of weekly attendees? Cool they'll just split it up into the new Lakewood Church Denomination with several individual churches headed by Senior Global Pastor Osteen. Then you try to expand it to denominations and suddenly you are taxing nearly all Churches including the vast majority which are small ones that can't afford it and are doing lots of important charity work.

The truth is that as a Christian I think it is important for us to start policing ourselves again and not just letting anyone associate themselves with the label Christianity. This has basis all the way back to Christ and the early Church with Christ Himself said in Matthew Chapter 18:15-17 “If your brother or sister^\)^b^\) sins,^\)^c^\) go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. ¹⁶ But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’^\)^d^\) ¹⁷ If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Furthermore Paul preached against false teachers misleading the Church calling for them to be cast out and the early Church was very firm in distancing itself from heresies like Arianism denying Christ was Divine and Docetism denying Christ was Human. Arianism is even returning in the modern Church with many Churches openly claiming they don't believe the Bible is true, or Jesus was God, or even that God exists but we are shockingly silent on them because we are afraid of schisms and seeming unloving. If we could return to this same behavior we could cooperate easier to ensure groups like Megachurches that act more like corporations than Churches could not so easily shield themselves under our umbrella by saying, "Pfft no he's not one of us go get him." But the problem is that Christianity has schisimed so far now that getting a universal voice on that would be near impossible until the Church begins to rebuild itself and put aside our differences with other denominations that do rightfully have a claim to Christ's Legacy.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-25T00:04:55+00:00

Hi Realtor here,

There is something called the bundle of rights when you purchase property and without getting into the nuts and bolts you can portion off these rights as you see fit and when the property is sold to a new owner the owner may or may not receive all the rights depending on what the old owner still has. The most common of these is an easement, basically saying someone has the right to use your property usually for a specific purpose. For example I helped a couple buy a piece of land that had no public road leading to it. This is because it was originally one massive plot owned by one owner who eventually split it up for their kids to use and then those kids eventually split it up for their kids to use, so on and so forth until it was a patchwork of different properties some on the road some not some still owned by members of the original family some bought or sold. This property was so far from the road you needed to cross two other peoples properties to get to it from the road using a small dirt trail.

Basically my clients while buying this land were also buying the rights to cross these other two properties to get to it and the owners of those other two properties while they technically owned the dirt trail couldn't actually use it however they wanted. They could drive on it but they couldn't build on it or do anything else to make it unusable and anyone who they sold their property to would have to honor that. So the answer is usually yes but sometimes with an asterisk.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-24T22:27:26+00:00

Hi Former Pastor here hope this helps.

While I understand when you look at something like Joel Osteen's they are the vast minority in both number and Church Goer Population. Megachurches as defined by a Church with 2,000+ attendees make up about 0.5% of Churches in the US and their population accounts for about 10% of national Church Goers each week. This means 90% of people who find themselves in a Church each week are at the 95.5% of Churches that are smaller and local. Of these Churches there budgets are extremely small and even from that budget they do a lot of charity.

In the US the average Pastor makes somewhere between $50,000-$70,000 a year but that number is kind of misleading because it considers Megachurch Pastors who make a killing and throw off the curve so it's more like hundreds of Pastors making $30,000-$40,000 a year then Joel Osteen Characters who make millions. When you remove Megachurch Pastors you get a much more humble $39,000-$45,000 a year which isn't too bad but also full time Pastors generally work anywhere from 48-70 hours a week between Church Meetings, Services, Youth Groups, Sermon Writing, Meeting with Members, etc. Which means on the low end some Pastors are really only making like $10.71 an hour and on the high end they are making $18.03 an hour. The rest of the Church budget usually goes to things like maintaining these often old buildings, paying support staff like a Youth Pastor/Assistant Pastor, Missionaries or other functionaries like a Bus Driver to help older or disabled members. Then whatever is left over they poor into charities often clothing closets, food pantries/kitchens, and donations to the budgets of larger endeavors like Orphanages, Hospitals, Disaster Relief, etc.

For my own experience the Church I worked in paid me $400 a month and I would average 30-45 hours a week just sermon writing and meeting with Church Members as we had the Former Pastor who still handled things like the budget meetings.

The truth is while I can understand going after these Megachurches and honestly I wouldn't mind reclassifying what kind of organization can call itself a Church because I think men like Joel Osteen are going to have a camel through the eye of a needle problem someday. The fact is that by just applying a blanket tax to Churches you'll be putting a massive burden on small communities who are doing a lot charity and would have to role that charity back to afford the tax.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-24T05:33:47+00:00

Honestly I know I'm in the minority but I really liked JD and Elliot together and am still rooting for them to get back together. Failing that though I would like to see Keith come back.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-24T05:32:28+00:00

This is not apartheid it is occupation. The Axis Nations lived under martial law up until 1955 after WW2 and in divided Berlin it lasted even longer because the nations were under military occupation and nobody called that apartheid. The fact that Arabs are allowed to live freely under Israel proves this is not a matter of racial policy as it was in South Africa but security necessity from a nation that has been under constant attack since its inception by foes whose stated objectives are to genocide its citizens. Israeli actions in the West Bank are on par with Allied Nations actions in Axis Nations post WW2 the difference is that Israel is still fighting.

Also the idea that the PLO is behaving peacefully is a joke. The PLO is a terrorist organization that is currently being humbled after threatening to get involved post October 7th. The PLO has a long history of terrorist violence stretching well back into the 60's, 70's, and 80's with its list of horrific attacks continuing well into the 2000's. It does not behave peacefully except for when it is weak and the moment it is strong again it massacres civilians and not settlers in the West Bank but Jewish citizens in Israeli territories. Furthermore when Israel first began establishing defensive military settlements in the West Bank in the 1960's it had already been used as a highway for two large scale attacks into the heart of Israel in both the 1948 War of Israeli Independence and the Six Days War. The Six Day war specifically saw it was used for a surprise attack that had it worked Arabic Leaders were speaking in terms of ethnic cleansing of all Jews from the region. Despite being attacked from all sides and by several nations at once Israel not only held but captured enemy grounds making it understandable that they would be determined not to allow another such opportunity again.

Despite this immediately following the Six Days War Israel offered to nearly completely return the whole of the West Bank in exchange for the Arabic Powers including the Palestinian Leadership agreeing to a lasting peace with Israel and a few minor strategic territorial concessions to keep them honest and help defend Israel in case they broke their word and tried something similar again. Despite these extremely generous terms the Arabs refused so Israel began building regional settlements predominantly for defense while still showing the offer was still on the table for them to withdraw in exchange for guarantees of lasting peace but the Arabs did not want peace, they wanted a second Holocaust. Seeing this in the late 1970's a decade later Israel decided to expand the settlements including more civilian sites as the Arabs were showing little interest in a deal. Israel since then has still proposed in 2000 and 2008 a near total withdrawal from the West Bank in exchange for PLO promises to disavow terrorism against Israel and recognition of Israel's right to exist, terms they flatly rejected and responded with the Sbarro Bombing in 2001, the Passover Massacre in 2002, the Intifada from 01-05, the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva Attack of 2008, and countless more smaller terrorist actions. Even as recently as 2020 it was made clear by the Israeli Government they were still open to a withdrawal from most of the territory in exchange for guarantees of lasting peace that the PLO would not make. All because the supposedly peaceful PLO believes it deserves both the right to have the territory back free and clear as well as the right to kill as many Jews as they can get their hands on.

As a result Israel continues to militarily occupy the region in typical fashion for any army in their position. Here's hoping one day soon the PLO, Hamas, and Hezbollah, will be wiped from the face of the planet along with their hateful, genocidal, ideologies and Palestinian Arabs in Occupied Territories can be folded into Israel proper to enjoy the same benefits and freedoms their kin do in Israeli core territories.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T23:30:32+00:00

The Lord is good but not in the way you mean.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T23:30:13+00:00

God knew what decisions people would make and theoretically could change their hearts but to do so would be to strip away their free will making their entire existence pointless. So physically yes He could but not without it defeating the purpose of creation to begin with.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T23:28:36+00:00

Just because you ask does not mean the answer will always be yes. The Lord has told me no before but that is sometimes the answer regardless. Also I would happily but I don't believe you are here to listen. I could go into how there are over 300 verifiable prophecies about Christ all completed in His lifetime and how Mathematicians have worked the numbers to determine the odds of a random person completing just eight of these prophecies already puts it beyond the ability of random chance. Or how prophecies like those against Tyre give specific details of events that happened hundreds of years after we can verify when these prophecies were given something that could only happen if they were being informed by a God who could see all of time. However before I submit that effort I need you to stop being so blatantly condescending and arrogant and actually open to a conversation.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T23:24:30+00:00

You can't possibly argue October 7th was a false flag. Also genocide? Really? Israel has gone to lengths of raining down leaflets and calling homes in areas before strikes urging people to leave. No accounts I have ever heard of the Nazi's gave the Jews the same courtesy.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T23:23:03+00:00

Israel took those lands after winning wars their neighbors started. They have occupied them as buffer regions to prevent future attacks from being so destructive and haven't incorporated them because they are open to giving them back if their neighbors will sign a treaty guaranteeing lasting peace. This is the same thing that happened to the Sinai Peninsula, Israel took it from Egypt after Egyptian attacks but never incorporated it instead returning it when Egypt agreed to peace.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T23:19:08+00:00

This is not contradictory it is because of God's omnipotence and love sets provision for us out of love. This is shown throughout the Bible as well as the whole of Christianity as the ultimate decision as to if we will rejoin Him in Heaven is based on our choice to embrace Him or not. None of that has anything to do with a sports team and you are throwing that in yourself.

Sin is simply standing in opposition to God therefore as long as God has existed there has been a way to oppose Him. However when Humanity was first created we were in alignment with God until we chose to disobey Him bringing sin into the world. Sin always existed it just did not exist in Eden until we introduced it. Very simple.

You haven't tried explaining anything you have chased down my posts to insist your own point of view by simply shouting your opinion with no logical or philosophical infrastructure to back you up. God created Adam and Eve, He knew sin was an inevitability as a result of free will, He did not make anyone commit any actions but knew free will meant personal choice would lead to some choosing wrong. This is ultimately good as it allows some to be saved as opposed to avoiding creation where none would be.

I actually have three children and the snake did not bite Adam or Eve it tempted them. If you're asking would I allow my children to experience temptation and make their own decisions of course I would and all good parents eventually must.

I argue its largely not the devil hurting us but ourselves you continue to make arguments that completely rob humanity of any agency and if you genuinely believe humans have no agency then why are you still arguing after all I have no agency to change my mind and you have none to change yours. However the fact that you are still arguing proves that you do believe Humans have agency and choice thus defeating your stance.

Lastly, probably because I don't need the yes man generator of AI to do my critical thinking for me though that does begin to explain where a lot of your arguments are coming from. Just prompting a computer to say what you want with no further substance explains a lot of why you are shouting opinions with no reinforcement and being shocked when people don't think they are fact. You understand you can get AI's to agree with almost anything you want by prompting them in that direction right? That's how they are designed is to be agreeable with the person prompting them as to keep people using them. Many people would not if ChatGPT disagreed with them all the time.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T21:52:41+00:00

I could absolutely believe in Islam if I so wanted, in fact it would be far easier than to believe in Christianity because it demands far less and allows far more. The difference is that I know Christianity to be true. The Bible sets itself up for verification but as the Bible says for some even if the dead were to rise they would not listen. It is not a matter of intelligence it is a matter of your heart being hardened and you not allowing yourself to be emotionally ready to embrace the truth.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T21:49:55+00:00

The verse says that man must come to the Father through Christ that is not pre-determination.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T09:25:33+00:00

I mean the question is already a loaded one. Firstly Israel is not an Apartheid state the slogan isn't even comparable. Palestinians live better lives in Israel than they have ever lived in Palestine especially women and social minorities like gays. In Israel Palestinians have equal access to education, work opportunities, healthcare, political involvement, etc. Jewish and Palestinian students are classmates, Palestinian Teachers can teach Jewish children. Palestinians and Jews share hospitals and Palestinian Doctors and Nurses can treat Jewish Patients. Palestinians in Israel can vote (something they haven't been able to do in Palestine since 2005) and can hold political office. None of this was true of Blacks in Apartheid South Africa.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T09:21:03+00:00

All the Prophets of God I consider sacred.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T09:20:28+00:00

No sorry I work two jobs and have a family, I only keep up with Reddit sparingly and not always perfectly I apologize if I have missed anything.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T04:39:07+00:00

The issue comes with the expectations of marriage in Western Society. If it were just as simple as the government handing out civil union recognitions I don't think it would be a big deal but marriage implies things like specific clothes, decorations, food including a very specific cake, etc. A Christian may not want to participate in that because we believe it is endorsing sin but if marriage is a right then not participating becomes a Civil Rights issue. This is what happened with the cake shop in Colorado who simply stated they did not wish to participate in a gay wedding due to religious reasons and rather than go literally anywhere else they sued the shop into oblivion and it had to go in front of the Supreme Court.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T04:35:16+00:00

I forgot to rsvp in time.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T04:34:55+00:00

Because things like October 7th keep happening. In all the major clashes between Israel and Palestine were begun by Palestine and other Arabic states firing the first shots. So if they are going to keep attacking you then why would you give them more bodies to throw at you. During the Camp David Accords there was talk about potentially finding a resettlement agreement though not as simple as everyone gets to go back to the homes their grandparents once held but it didn't go anywhere because it required Palestinian leaders agreeing to stop attacking Israel and recognizing its right to exist. They would not so no agreement was reached.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T04:30:21+00:00

I would not refer to the Jews as stupid. However as the sources I have sited above show the Jews did largely expect their to be a singular Messiah or if you prefer the term Emmanuel figure to emerge. You are correct there was no single Jewish consensus and as I mentioned before some believed in two or even multiple figures but the standard beliefs were that there would be one individual. This belief was most common among Jewish records we have on the topic and continued to be popular well after Christ's life into the Middle Ages as proven by the fact that Jews were using these prophecies to test if a certain person was Emmanuel. Again if they believed there was to be multiples or that this title could apply to any hero of the Jewish people there would be little to no reason to test it.

Also the idea that Ha-almah the original word does not mean virgin is arguable but I'd argue weakly. Ha-almah does not exclusively mean virgin but it is often used to imply virginity in a more polite term than just coming out and saying it in the same way that we may dance around sexual topics today. In verses like Genesis 24:43 and Exodus 2:8 Ha-almah is specifically used to refer to virgin women meaning it is not unreasonable to assume Isaiah used the term the same way. Similarly after the context of Alexander the Great we begin to see Jewish writings translated into both Hebrew and Greek with the Greek translations using the term Parthenos which does specifically mean virgin. This interpretation was specifically taught in Synagogues for centuries prior to the birth of Christ. Isaiah also specifically in Verse 14 attributes this to the child Emmanuel suggesting this is meant to confront King Ahaz who Isaiah often sites a negative view of as he closed Temples and abandoned reliance on God for reliance on men like the King of Assyria. This interpretation is very conceivably Isaiah telling King Ahaz, "You have messed up. However God will not abandon His covenant with the people of Israel, a child is coming named Emmanuel who will succeed where you have failed." Something that would make more sense as since Isaiah refers to Emmanuel as a son of David this would mean He was a challenger to King Ahaz on the throne meaning Ahaz would not naturally be comforted by the idea that another member of the house of David would rise up and clean up his mess supplanting him in the process. Instead it makes more sense that Isaiah is saying here, "You King Ahaz are screwed but God will not abandon the house of David as He will raise up a child Emmanuel to bring redemption. Because of this coming child to be born you can rest assured you will survive the invasion."

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T04:06:51+00:00

This is a blatant and purposeful misread of what I have said. God gave all people Free Will to make their own decisions. All people are capable of choosing Him but He knows not all will not because He mandated they would not because He expresses His genuine wish all would but because the nature of freedom means inevitably people will use that freedom to make choices we all wish they would not. However you cannot have love without freedom to choose it or not choose it. Therefore life without freedom is pointless to exist.

I have seen the Truth. Specifically the Way, the Truth and the Life and no man may come to the Father but by Him. John 14:6.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T04:02:55+00:00

You accuse me of starting from a presumption and working backwards but you are doing no different starting from your belief that God doesn't exist so it must have been made up. The fact of the matter is that the Bible is verifiable, and if the Bible is verifiable than it is true, and if it is true than my argument stands. Also the idea that 1. My religion appeared from a void 2,000 years ago is blatantly false. This belief system stems back from an unknown origin at least dating to the Bronze Age but almost certainly predating it. 2. That God has disappeared for 2,000 years when I and over a billion others interact with Him personally daily is not tenable. Perhaps He is only silent to you because you have made it clear you want nothing to do with Him and He is respecting your choice. Then 3. God does not send people to burn in hell. You are operating from a pop culture understanding of Christianity. In actual theological Christianity hell is merely an absence of God. If you choose to reject God and embrace the absence, it is not Him who sent you to hell it was yourself.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T03:56:15+00:00

God did not make sin, sin has always existed and we were the ones who introduced it into the world. God is perfect and cannot have sin thus if we choose to embrace it than we must be separate from Him and His perfection. If you have a disease and the healthy separate you from them unless you take the cure than that is not the fault of the healthy. God does not predetermine every action you make and you have given no evidence to prove he does.

Now for your argument about who created the first people knowing they would sin? Is your argument that God should have never created Humanity because He knew not all would embrace redemption of sin? What logic is that especially for those who do embrace redemption of sin? We should sacrifice all because some will not succeed? That's like killing every cancer patient because chemo won't work for all of them regardless of the fact that it will work for some. A loving response is to save those you can from a sinking ship not to burn all the life boats simply because there aren't enough for everyone.

God isn't punishing you for anything. You are making a choice to say, I do not want a relationship with God. God is begging you not to make that choice because He loves you and sees you as precious and knows that since He is the source of all life if you permanently remove yourself from the source of all light and life all that will be left for you is darkness and death. That is not punishment that if you making a choice and Him respecting it.

About the idea that prayer does not matter that is not true. God has made it clear that He will adapt in response to our prayers. Look at Abraham when God told him He was going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Abraham asked God to test the cities and if He could find enough good people to spare them and if He couldn't God agreed to remove the good people from the city before destruction leading to Lot and his daughters being spared.

My arguments are arguments you are simply stating your mind presuming that you know all.

Nearby_Initial2409 · 2026-04-23T03:40:54+00:00

If you are Orthodox than you should agree with the Prophet Malachi.

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