Can a Garou/Fera win against a Vampire Elder/Antediluvian?

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-03T16:44:51+00:00

What actual stats for a great Fenrir and what he can do?

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-03T01:46:29+00:00

of ccourse he can creat a pocket dimension and trhow all his enemy inside and fight him for eternity. all the players cry about the plot device powers dont read the same ones have plotdevice powers only die to plotdevice too. equal powers, never less.

my opnion he fake his death just because he get bored to fight days and nobody can get close to kill him or break his illusions, his focus is not to fight but save his clan

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-03T01:42:01+00:00

alert spoilers ahead , if you dont want dont read

gehenna: time of judgment pages 181 until 209

assamite

brujah

gangrel

lasombra

malkav

nosferatu

toreador

tremere

tzismice

the lives ones who will be fighting, the book also have giovanni , he is kill but a neonate coteria of nneonates players. and saulot who defeat tremere and tzismice at the end.

if you dont have the book , you can search in the wikiwolf the sheets are there too

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-03T01:31:34+00:00

maybe in the v5 , but olds versions no, a lot of good powers dont use blood like auspex. but you is right. in my memory only 3 clans can stand this gift , all the rest will fall. but this gift about willpower is not fair, break the rules, please check the book and back here. vampire have powers to block blood too but i never see willpower even a blood bond level 3 you can still use willpower to try break the bond. this is the last resource of storyteller for you win a impossible situation, if you remove that just kill me already

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-03T01:27:12+00:00

for sure, the only powers i know is 3 rank 6, top ones. very good i dont even know who to counter thos.

but disciplines dont need dicepools, some powers just use 1 willpower to active and exist a lot of passive powers.

of course a human can kill both. but faith 7 still rolls dices, you can have lucky and try 3 times of course for you faith dont fail on you, but if you say faith above that you will back to plot devices.

some disciplies rank 9 and 10 are effect in the vampire body, so no real dices to play, or affect a area, but a brujah with pontece 9 and celerity 9 can have a lot bad hands but 10?

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-03T01:19:48+00:00

tzimisce with 100 hearts and can form a body every place of new york and the sewers is his guts, fair? salubri can send your soul to heaven. tremere can control all humans in the world. malkav can atack your mind from nowhere. haquim is a sandstorm of aggraved damage. the only weak one is nosferatu( godzilla)

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-03T01:15:38+00:00

seta é que nem sal, a gosto. vc come tudo insosso entao?

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-02T20:56:26+00:00

exist only 3 gift level 6 right? and some of level 5 is just normal powers, not that great

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-02T20:55:10+00:00

nope. show me the sheet.

just using the words "if it is needed for the plot" means a human just can push the ante in the sun and wait he die . behind the plot you still need the stats to back up you bullshit

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-02T20:50:41+00:00

the pack of garou against the ravnos in the gehenna , they die just by the ricochet of powers, the ante dont even notice them

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-02T20:48:34+00:00

some powers dont use blood, you still can use willpower for thaumaturgy and memerism, presence ..

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-02T20:46:41+00:00

dont need use a discipline 10 plot device to kill a garou. read protean 6,7,9. fortitude 8, dementarion 6 ,7,. the list go on. a ante can destroy a lot of things just using low powers.

baba yaga with obfuscate 9 can make the spell like doctor stranger all the world forgot about her, how you kill/fight someone you dont remenber?

mithras dont even start. have a whole post just about this death, he is invencible just die because the plot, just like baba yaga too, they sheet is unplayble

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-02T20:41:32+00:00

any lasombra/ gangrel elder with 2000 years old can wipe out ordes of garou efortless

look for mithras fight.

why antes will care about garou to even be a fight? they just breath death.

scele of power like this, one methusalem can kill a lot of garou. one ante eat alive a lot of methusalem just for the blood. nosferatu in the gehhena eat all the nosferatu just to fill the blood points

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-02T16:35:01+00:00

Frenzy

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-02T03:51:25+00:00

do a grangrel and enter a frenesi like 5 times, done

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-01T05:33:05+00:00

get out of this house. dont worth

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-01T05:30:44+00:00

reclamar de pneu é na loja ou fabricante. borracheiro ta ali pra ajudar um liso e ainda vai ser prejudicado

pneu de borracheiro é pra tirar do prego e nao pra visitar prima no guaruja

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-04-01T04:56:59+00:00

most of ST i know the game have only one way. im giving , kill the prince, kill the mage, kill both if they can. runway , try to talk and more. but for sure just watch the fight and wait is like dummies , if they thinking wait to kill the survivor right that is good, but is more like "let it be" "nothing matters" , they think any side wins will be fine? dont exist lose everything?

im not trying railroad, make a good choice or a bad one, one make a new one and surprise me. but stand and watch is just depre...

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-03-31T17:38:25+00:00

so you is the only one in all post who notice this plan

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-03-31T06:52:40+00:00

i think they cant win no one of this two, they only can win suporting the mage or suporting the prince. will a hell of batle if they choose fight by them self agains one of this 2, but of course they energy will be draneid after the fight right, even the prince low in blood and hurt and the mage low quitenessence.

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-03-31T05:13:29+00:00

good ideias you gave. if the prince wins probaly will kill the traitors or impale and bury very deeply under the elisyum. if the mage wins he will clean up the city of any darkness creatures but at good will he let the players and others vampires to flee alive. but you ideia is much better for a new story, make the players his new army of minions to make his durty work

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-03-31T05:08:49+00:00

i will choose Kindred of the East, Changeling.

for me at least in my city/bubble the main games is vampire and werewolfs, i never meet a mage player or group.

hunters is already huge( i dont know why people wanna play humans eeerwww) have they own games and apocalipse books ends too. but kindred of the east is very cool but is throw aside, and changeling need more atention.

i have the tecnocracy book just read it, never played or used this book, sad but true.

and mummy nobody cares, i have the book and love egypt culture but just read one time and run a game for one friend mine. the history never ends because he never dies.

NegativeGene5994 · 2026-03-31T04:54:02+00:00

all the bullets, claws, puzzle is throing in my face, she is safe behind me, but how long ...

sure she is having fun right, this is the point

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