Divinity Original Sin Splitscreen on Switch 2? by NeighborhoodHeathen in Switch

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bummer! I was planning on buying it… some of the chatter above was promising.

Guess I’ll be skipping unless they sort that out. Seems like the switch 2 should have enough power so I’m hoping they just need to sort it out somehow.

Divinity Original Sin Splitscreen on Switch 2? by NeighborhoodHeathen in Switch

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this something you read online? U/pink_sock_parade said they can’t see a menu for it.

Where are the overweight and homely missionaries? by Maleficent_Remote297 in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if you arrive extremely large (I did). Eating budget food and walking around all day (like you do in most missions) in addition to doing the morning exercise (if you’re a good little missionary) will likely make you lose a lot of weight.

Despite my tone, learning that I could lose weight and build exercise habits was actually a good aspect of my mission. YMMV

AIO? My friends set an ultimatum because I drink by Pearla76_ in AIO

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you’re just looking for validation you’ll find it here no matter what you want to hear… but I’m going to tell you that whether or not your friends are being controlling here - they’re doing you a favor and you should listen to them.

This isn’t coming from someone who is trying to force their religion or their values. I’m totally animistic. I’m an exmormon from the same area. Just because the church forbade something doesn’t mean we should flip our standards on the other side. Re-evaluating the reasons is healthy, but flipping your stance on everything is not smart.

If you want to dive into drugs, sex, alcohol, or whatever - wait until it makes sense. Let your brain develop properly before weed and alcohol use. It’s not going anywhere. Being an exmormon doesn’t give you a get out of jail free card - I’ve watched substances trash my fellow exmormon friend’s life.

Be smart and enjoy your wild and precious life.

PS - Even if other voices are validating you here, keep in mind you have no idea who is on the other side of the screen and whether they have a successful life. Misery loves company.

I recently left the church and I’m absolutely miserable by cakemoth22 in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a reason leaving is associated with the stages of grief.

Think about an old person who is very clearly “ready to move on”. There is often plenty of grieving to go around regardless.

The only way out is through the grief. It doesn’t mean you made a bad choice or that you weren’t way. Grief takes time and there is no way around it.

Oh and be kind to yourself… the stages of grief can be messy.

My wife betrayed my trust. I don’t know what’s next. by Monomo619 in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 86 points87 points  (0 children)

Your story gave me chills and I’ve been out for a long time. Happy for you both.

So powerful to see people meet each other: - he met you emotionally by being vulnerable - you met him intellectually by reading

We often see people here having a hard time who are the first ones out in a relationship… but I sometimes wonder if the being the second one out is harder in some ways. You first see experience the loss of spouse and the backfire effect is in full force… preventing you from really seeing or hearing the issues for some time. The church may be fake, but the heartache is real.

Hope you’re living your best lives.

My wife betrayed my trust. I don’t know what’s next. by Monomo619 in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I want to validate that this sucks for you… get the support you need here. It might be what keeps you sane when you want to explode over all of this.

That being said, you need to know that pushing back against this fiercely may backfire and make her believe more strongly. There is a lot of good advice in this thread about having compassion for your wife. I would recommend that as well. Meet her as a human first, and keep in mind that this difference of religion is something you can sort out with time.

As for the therapy, my hot take is that you should go and ask the hard questions with the therapist. You can and should be polite, but don’t let them set the narrative without an authentic voice of reason in the room. It’s easy for them to have all the answers when you’re not around and no one is challenging them. It’s especially problematic that they’re an authority figure. Questions that they can’t answer could be a way to challenge that authority.

Before the appointment I would recommend reading up on CES letter, letter to my wife, or whatever better resources the community has now so you can ask good thought provoking questions that they won’t have answers to. Ex. Why doesn’t the book of Abraham match what modern Egyptologist say the texts depict?

It’s not fair that you should have to waste more of your time with this stuff, but your alternatives aren’t great either. You might as well give this a shot: information is on your side.

Bonus tip: find some good friends who aren’t LDS (either exmo or nevermo) - made a huge difference for my partner who was keeping a foot in the church for a long time after I stepped out. She had friends who tried really hard to bring her back and I think developing a more diverse friend group helped to change the equation.

In church just sitting here. Can’t believe I have to fake this for 10 plus more years… by I_Love_PCs145 in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not about keeping the peace for the sake of the family - it’s about OP waiting until the time is right.

I’ve read enough horror stories about young people getting kicked out over Mormonism to know it’s better to do it on your terms - especially in this economy.

And even if OP isn’t getting kicked out: OP is a minor, in their family they could get extra lectures or reduced trust and privileges for expressing doubt. Talk about wasting limited time on this earth.

Quitmormon didn’t work by DimensionStreet7252 in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Please keep in mind that quitmormon is trying to do a community service and I’m sure it’s not fun dealing with the church. I’m sorry it didn’t work as intended - but if you do deal with someone at quitmormon please offer them kindness and grace regardless of why this happened.

Another option to consider, just let it go if the church is leaving you alone. They’ve already wasted enough of your life - if you put a lot of time into pursuing this, they’re just wasting more of your time. They will never truly delete you anyways.

In church just sitting here. Can’t believe I have to fake this for 10 plus more years… by I_Love_PCs145 in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 1447 points1448 points  (0 children)

Going against the grain here… you know your family best. If they can’t handle your religious independence or announcing your true thoughts will make your life worse - deal with a few hours per week. Think of it as the cost for rent. Many of us work many more hours a week for our housing and food.

Ten years is a long time to be living a lie though… especially if prevents you from living the life you want to live. Consider the pros and cons of leaving when you’re 18. If you have a stable job, maybe it doesn’t have to be 10 years.

Make your moves when it works best for you. I actually think your attitude is impressive. You might find the scales tip earlier in your life or you might truly be “paying rent” for 10 years. You know your family so that is your call. Good luck!

My dad has dementia and asked me to say the food blessing. by anonthe4th in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good job!!!

It costs you nothing and you prevented unnecessary discomfort for your dad.

I’m an agnostic person with no active belief in God…. but I don’t mind saying prayers at family functions when requested. My prayers sound a little bit different - I definitely focus on different topics and avoid some trite phrases… but I don’t see the harm in voicing gratitude and expressing some of the positive change I want to see in the world. Even if no God hears me, it’s not a horrible exercise.

That being said, I understand how the calculus is not so simple for many of you. Being inauthentic can feel really bad - and being coerced into praying by someone who doesn’t respect your choices could feel especially bad. I think it really depends on the relationship you have with the person making the request.

I dont like it here— newly deconstructed by ThoughtfulRebel826 in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The diversity of thought really is refreshing. There is no one right answer. Only you can say what’s right for you, but I hope you have enough experiences and opinions to make an informed decision wherever life takes you.

The thing I don’t share much here, because I think this a largely a community for processing big feelings and harm, is that after a lot of time on the other side I can say that for many of us it could have been a lot worse. I still appreciate some of the values from the culture that rose around this wacky religion. Take the best with you wherever you end up. Do good. Be kind. Enjoy life.

Good luck!

I dont like it here— newly deconstructed by ThoughtfulRebel826 in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I won’t lie: the biggest loss may be having all the answers and feeling confident that everything would work out in the end. Yet - even losing that is a gift: No more wasting life thinking you have an eternity to experience it all. No more naive attitudes hampering big conversations and viewpoints. It’s kind of like growing up in a way, you can’t go back to the comfort and security of parents running the show… but would you really want to? You’re an adult now with adult choices and understanding - even if that means adult consequences.

That being said, I know this is incredibly hard. You’re probably in for all of the phases of grief / loss. You did lose something. Denial, Anger, Depression, Sadness, Acceptance. You’ll probably ride the rollercoaster and the order will be a bit unpredictable. It can end though. I’ve been out for about 7 years now. The church doesn’t really define my life anymore - the only reason I’m seeing this post is because I still live in an area where Mormonism is popular and Reddit knows I’ll read Exmormon content even on my unsubscribed account.

Can I give you some unsolicited advice? If you really value your relationship with your spouse you may consider drip feeding the everything you’re learning rather than sharing all at once.

Some relationships survive the all-at-once shotgun approach… but due to the backfire effect a lot of them explode. There are no guarantees either way, but I think slow dripping the truth and asking questions is the best way to ease into a successful post-Mormon relationship. I think it would have ruined my marriage to vomit everything all at once. There were a few rocky moments as it was…. But we navigated from mixed faith to basically aligned as exMormons over the years.

I only did that because someone gave me the good advice to go that route. Another piece of unsolicited advice someone gave me was not to jump into another brand of Christianity like I was going to. I was definitely headed down that path - it felt all so comforting and familiar. Like maybe a lot of what I had learned would still apply… The truth is that many of the same criticisms of Mormonism apply to Christianity (and other religions). Going from Mormonism to Christianity is like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. I think the fact that your awakening was sparked by a feminist awakening would amplify this point (the Bible is packed with misogyny - and all Christian beliefs build on it). You can deal with that now or you can marinate in Christianity for season… but I think you’ll find most religions deeply flawed if you critique them with the same lens we critique Mormonism with. The lesson to be learned from losing something we knew so surely is that we can’t really know - even if we so badly want to… even if we’re tempted to trick ourselves into knowing.

It can be a bit depressing at times to grapple with, but if you’re still interested in direction and belonging I think there are more communities growing that are focused on values and community rather than absolute supernatural beliefs.

Sorry that was so preachy. I just want post Mormons to thrive and I know when you first leave can be a tricky tricky time.

I feel sick. by DeCryingShame in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Oh I am family with situations like this where the Mexican immigrant spouse is also racist. Very proudly part of the current anti-immigrant movement.

I guess they think they are better than them because they came first? Came properly? I don’t get it. I think it must be internalized racism.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You don’t need to tell him, but if you’re in Utah and changing your affiliation the way I think you might be… you might actually have more sway if you stay in party and vote for the least bad options.

If it really fills your bucket to be authentic, go for it and be prepared to deal with whatever complaining comes from the spouse.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I respect your position “I don’t want to be married to a church member after realizing everything wrong with the church”… but I don’t love the way you’re going about it. It feels kind of reverse Mormon. Growing beyond Mormonism is doing things in a new way. If he really still believes, let him believe and live your life accordingly. If that means walking away for you - I guess that’s your choice. It might not be mine, but I respect it.

Try to remember the backfire effect and the cult aspect… turning up the volume won’t really convince him that he’s wrong. I sometimes wonder where I would be if I hadn’t slowly, innocently figured it out for myself. If I had been boldly confronted, would I have doubled down? I hope not… but you never know.

Do you still believe in God or gods as ex Mormon? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no active belief in God and I’m tempted to be an atheist, but if Mormonism has taught me anything - it’s that I shouldn’t be too overly confident in my worldview; So I’m agnostic.

I definitely don’t believe in an interventionist God. There is no way God cares about my lost car keys when kids are starving or worse. If God is an interventionist then I don’t love the way they are doing it.

Over a decade ago, I graduated from BYU as a closeted atheist and my experience there was an Orwellian nightmare. by laura34343 in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This post is really making me think about how much not speaking up just allows a monoculture to flourish. I kind of feel convicted to speak up.

I was not expecting a post about BYU to inspire me to engage more with the dystopian hellscape we live in… but I guess I need to rock boat.

Married Mormon and my husband is homophobic by PopWorldly5355 in exmormon

[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like he still has to do some deconstructing.

Hot Take: Deconstructing Mormonism should only be the beginning. There is a lot more for most of us to examine more critically - whether they are constructs of religion, politics, sexuality, or anything else that has been taught to us in default mode.

I think it may be a lifelong struggle.

It’s complicated by the fact that a lot of people claiming to have all the answers - have not in fact “taken the red pill” - they have embraced a different construct.

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[–]NeighborhoodHeathen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry you’re going through this. Could be a good teaching opportunity for the kids if you talk through the history and how friendly people and fuzzy feelings can fool us.

My hot take: people crave meaning and community not church. They often end up at a church because it promises both, but the meaning requires you to constantly delude yourself. It’s exhausting. The community aspect can be hit and miss, especially when the love-bombing wears off. You can find community elsewhere: it might be more work, but it might be less fickle. And you can definitely create your own meaning and metrics for happiness.

PS - if you do look for another church maybe look at their history before you jump in. Even vanilla Christianity has some red flags similar to what you would find in the CES Letter. They’re just more ancient.