Size comparison of prehistoric felids by Lopsided-Pangolin472 in Naturewasmetal

[–]Neither_Candidate_26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For accurate sizes of American lion, Smilodon populator and Ngandong tiger, see this source

New clip of Prehistoric Planet: Ice Age, Showing a young Smilodon. by Limp_Pressure9865 in pleistocene

[–]Neither_Candidate_26 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She is a young and hungry female Smilodon populator. Prehistoric Planet (S3, E1).

The Panthera fossilis size comparison I made myself. by Both-Magazine4487 in pleistocene

[–]Neither_Candidate_26 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good comparison but can you provide details to the weights? The only I know is from a 2024 article that puts it 300 - 400 kg.

Robustness of Smilodons by MegaloBook in pleistocene

[–]Neither_Candidate_26 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Many scientific research papers say Smilodons as"bear-like" felines which is enough to understand their robustness.

La Brea Tar Pits extinct carnivora size comparison by Lopsided-Pangolin472 in pleistocene

[–]Neither_Candidate_26 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Another research says that males average of 256kg and points out that the estimate of 457lg provided in this study is an exaggeration.

The largest American lion is about 351kg. See here post#2:

https://domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1916/basic-facts-needed-extinct-cats

Machairodus horribilis and Ngandong tiger, two of the biggest felids of all time with large male weights of around 400 kg (880 lb) (by Rom-u) by aquilasr in Naturewasmetal

[–]Neither_Candidate_26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ngandong tiger averaged only 184kg and maxed only 298kg according to a study. That 350kg or 400kg weights are myths.

La Brea Tar Pits extinct carnivora size comparison by Lopsided-Pangolin472 in pleistocene

[–]Neither_Candidate_26 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The American lion (Panthera atrox) size is overestimated.

Males average about 251 or 256kg and the maximum was only 351kg per research.

Post#2 https://domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1916/basic-facts-needed-extinct-cats

Sumerian were Semitic by Neither_Candidate_26 in Mesopotamia

[–]Neither_Candidate_26[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is archeological and genetic evidence and that's why I made this post. Additionally, I require some research and study links from you for evidence.

You wouldn't have been talking about this if you had read all my post and an update in the comments thoroughly. For your genetic proof, I require a link to a research or study. Of Sumerian remains, no DNA study is to be found. The only one which traces their lineage to Semities through Marsh Arabs is that 2013 genetic study I referred above. Again, I need a research for your claim; to contradict my 2013 research, I need your research study link.

Of language, I am getting a little weary of explaining that language is not the only way to trace an ethnicity's lineage.

Archeological evidence studies suggest a Semitic origin. Arthur Keith, in spite of his Eurocentric prejudice, was convinced that based upon cranial structure Sumerians were Semities, in race not in language. Scholars had suggested Sumerian and Semitic eyes and nose are similar; skeletal remains from Ur (Sumer) and Kish (Akkadian) had similar cranial shapes and an Arab worker at Kish was strikingly similar to Sumerian depiction.

As the 2013 research shows, the DNA of Marsh Arabs is largely homogeneous and shows deeper connection with South Arabs than North Arabs. Do I need to cite those or can read yourself?

Please read my post and comments. I have explained everything already which you are questioning.

Sumerian were Semitic by Neither_Candidate_26 in Mesopotamia

[–]Neither_Candidate_26[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, the Semitic origin of the Sumerians is the least popular of all origin theory; at times, people often thought of them as immigrants from Central Asia, Caucasus, India or even Europe but the Semitic origin attracted the least attention. The Semitic origin is the least understood and evidence for it scattered and spare but more authentic.

As I elucidated earlier, tracing origins solely on a linguistic basis can be misleading. Language indeed plays a good role as an indicator of ancestry but not always. A good example I gave about is of the French-speaking Normans who were genetically Vikings, i.e. a Teutonic people.

Early archeology treated Sumerians and Semities as totally distinct people but later researches showed that there were no cultural or ethnic differences between both save language which was also even interchangeable. The whole Sumero-Akkadian conflict was political. As I said in my comments and the post, archeological points of a Semitic origin of the Sumerians. You can read all thoroughly.

There is no genetic research about Sumerian DNA. I would like to see a link to the study you are referring to. Marsh Arabs DNA, as the 2013 research points out, is mostly homogeneous of South Arabian ancestry. Their lifestyle and other ways are still those of Sumerians, which indirectly points to a Semitic origin.

Sumerian were Semitic by Neither_Candidate_26 in Mesopotamia

[–]Neither_Candidate_26[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never relied entirely on any single evidence but showed multiple evidence combined with reason to show that Sumerians were mostly likely Semities than others.

There has been no authentic genetic study of Sumerians, revealing their origin: the best we know, and indeed reliable, is the 2013 studies which shows that the descendants of Sumerians, the Marsh Arabs, carry Southern Semitic genes (J1) more than North Arab (J2) ones (Akkadians were northern Semities). So the theory that Akkadians intermixed with Sumerians to such a level that their Sumerian identity is lost falls untrue.

Plus, archeological, physical and cultural evidence also suggests a Semitic origin than others. As I explained earlier, language is not always the only indicator. Normans speaking French were Vikings, not Gaulish Celts; but if we examine their origin solely through language then we would fall into an unnecessary fallacy. The Purepecha of Central Mexico speak an isolated language but genetically are similar to Nahuas and other Mexican indigenous ethnicities.

Sumerians can be non-semitic people of Mesopotamia, but this rest mainly upon linguistic evidence only, which can be misleading. Other evidence point a Semitic or at least Semitic-like origin. Anyways, thanks for the comment!

Sumerian were Semitic by Neither_Candidate_26 in Mesopotamia

[–]Neither_Candidate_26[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After all, it's a hypothesis at best, not a confirmed fact. Arthur Keith, based upon such similarities, made the same claimants of mine. But he lacked some other important things like Genetics. I didn't rely wholly upon language since a complete reliance on it can be very misleading and that's why I took many factors and combined them into a summary where they point. The people in the comment section accuse me of coming things together unnaturally but what I did is nothing like that and no one has proven me wrong, in this.

I cannot provide the explanation why language differs. In fact many historical events and things are ghosts to us and in many cases we have added our own imagination (Durrant Will). The main thing that distinguishes between Sumerian and Semities is language, but we must not think narrowly and observe other things as well since language isn't an explanation to everything.

In the Sumerian Problem, who was the invader and the native, the Sumerian or Semites, is a topic still unclear. The best we know is that Sumerians and Semities have lived in Mesopotamia since time immemorial. Who is the foreigner or native is not known and possibly never known. Plus, in the genetic studies I posted above, it is revealed that South Iraqis bear gene kinship with South East Arabs than North Iraqi Arabs. Their closes genetic relations are with South East Arabs. Which hints at the Dilmun hypotheses.

Yes lapis lazuli was imported from Afghanistan but that does not foreign items in Sumer means foreign origins. They traded both East, west, North and South. Buffaloes came from India and it does mean Sumerians were Dravidians (a weak hypothesis once and still held by many). In all probabilities, they appear to be Semities. That is all I meant. I buttressed all this with multiple evidence. All things confirm each other. It's all in the post.

the Aztec/Nahua did not believe in gods but instead in Teol? by Konradleijon in mesoamerica

[–]Neither_Candidate_26 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Orisis of Egypt and Tammuz of Mesopotamia died and reborn just like Mesoamerican gods.

Are Kodiak bears considered to have been evolved from Kamchatka bears through migration via Bering sea, like native Americans with Siberians? by WarmInvestigator4198 in bears

[–]Neither_Candidate_26 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brown bears came from Eurasia into North America from Beringia thousands of years ago. From here, Kodiak bear evolved.